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[Pax of Doom]

Noblewolf wrote...

Why do people still care what religious groups think or say?

Assuming you want an honest answer:

TL;DR he who has the gold makes the rules.

We should care because they have power.  They have money, and can fleece it out of their easily manipulated followers.  The money raised by Retake for Child's Play, they can make in a day.  They can use that money to spread falsehoods, buy news spots on Fox, place ads and billboards, grease political palms, and pressure companies to change their products.  They can lie about the product in question without even once offering proof, just 5-second clips taken out of context is all they need.  They can spread lies to silence voices, effecting "artistic integrity".  Their voice will drown out all others.  Your e-mail or Facebook or coworkers bleat on about how you are forced into a homosexual non-con threesome with Joker and the robodog, even as you know differently.  They will erase nuance (no it was actually Kaidan flirting with you, and you didn't do anything because you wanted little blue babies), with arguments "well, it's all the same" or "it could happen unless we stop it NOW!".

Today they protest ME3, tomorrow TOR, the next day a game still in development may get neutered.  When we stop caring what they say, we automatically give them the win.  They take silence as capitaution to their superior morality, or become bold from the lack of resistance.

[aberdash]

I have 2 questions.

1) Why did EA wait until after they were announce the winner of the consumerist poll to release this information? And 2) Did anyone hear anything about these boycotts prior to EAs release of this information?

[AlexMBrennan]

I do find it sad that Christianity and other religions preach tolerance and acceptance

That kind of thing has been massively distorted. Things like the ten commandments were only ever meant to apply to the in-group. Tolerance towards out-groups is a modern invention (and kinda conflicts with the call to genocide in the OT)

[Volus Warlord]

Pax of Doom wrote...

Noblewolf wrote...

Why do people still care what religious groups think or say?

Assuming you want an honest answer:

TL;DR he who has the gold makes the rules.

We should care because they have power.  They have money, and can fleece it out of their easily manipulated followers.  The money raised by Retake for Child's Play, they can make in a day.  They can use that money to spread falsehoods, buy news spots on Fox, place ads and billboards, grease political palms, and pressure companies to change their products.  They can lie about the product in question without even once offering proof, just 5-second clips taken out of context is all they need.  They can spread lies to silence voices, effecting "artistic integrity".  Their voice will drown out all others.  Your e-mail or Facebook or coworkers bleat on about how you are forced into a homosexual non-con threesome with Joker and the robodog, even as you know differently.  They will erase nuance (no it was actually Kaidan flirting with you, and you didn't do anything because you wanted little blue babies), with arguments "well, it's all the same" or "it could happen unless we stop it NOW!".

Today they protest ME3, tomorrow TOR, the next day a game still in development may get neutered.  When we stop caring what they say, we automatically give them the win.  They take silence as capitaution to their superior morality, or become bold from the lack of resistance.

Yes indeed. We are actually a pseudo-illuminati organization hell-bent on controlling the world, and we benefit from your extreme self-absorbtion and general weakness. 

[Dude_in_the_Room]

aberdash wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

So you're saying this was staged by Bioware/EA to take the bad press off the "bad" ending?

Thats a little thick, don't you think.

They've done that kind of thing before. And I'm sure this being "leaked" a few hours after it was announced EA won the consumerist poll is just a coincidence.

I didn't know that.

Ugh.....this industry is out of control.

[RedArmyShogun]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Xerorei wrote...

What's funny is all the homophobia used to be so low key, then states allowed marraige and the Military allowed members to be open, because having to deny who you are and feel ashamed is absolutely horrible.

Ah, but I, as one infected with the fear of the same, feel that I am being told that I must deny who and what I am. Why? No solid reason really, just a bunch of feel-goody dreamy nonsense. Should you be surprised that people maintain their outlook?

And thats the key of the issue. As much as the otherside preaches tolerance it is as equally intolerante, but to the other spectrum.

And I see again someone else is flaunting "how the world thinks".

Please do some research because if we want to democracise everything it would be largely Hindu, Eastern religions, Islamic, and "homophobia" and finds the use of Child Soldiers and using the gun as the ultimate tool of authority in the land. THAT is how the world thinks. The West more so the liberal West well, thats a minority view. In fact its illegal for homosexual relations in more countries and US states to happen, than it is in those that okay, and in fact far more countries will kill you for it than protest it. In fact if Chrsitians behaved like some here seem to assert as a great evil we would not be having this talk.

As a 2 ton truck full of bombs and an armed militia would see to it. Its much like the Arab Spring, a vocale Minority thought it was "leading history" and "the voice of the world" yet in nearlly every one of those nations the situation is worse or in the hands of religious extremist, who DO have massive popular support. In light of that, yeah the christians are evil for having a small section of it protesting what is fundamentally against one of there religion's core tenants. If they were islamic you would end up like a great many have in Iraq. The fact is most of the world is violent and would sooner kill you than listen to any lip.

Not that I care what any of you think or feel in reguards to the situation, just stop using the media and popular culture around you as how the "World Thinks" find value in something as you see a virtue or duty in it. Not as the blasted TV tells you to. And stop trying to paint a rather moderate group who HAS done a good amount of good in the world for the actions of a small few as your pissed they try and get you to go to there chruch. Once upon a time, there would have been no option.

[Volus Warlord]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

I do find it sad that Christianity and other religions preach tolerance and acceptance

That kind of thing has been massively distorted. Things like the ten commandments were only ever meant to apply to the in-group. Tolerance towards out-groups is a modern invention (and kinda conflicts with the call to genocide in the OT)

Also very true. Our laws for good nature, unselfish behavior and willingness to help those in need are a mere cover for our true purpose: annihilating certain groups that oppose our draconian moral standards. 

[Volus Warlord]

Confess-A-Bear wrote...

Not that I care what any of you think or feel in reguards to the situation, just stop using the media and popular culture around you as how the "World Thinks" find value in something as you see a virtue or duty in it. Not as the blasted TV tells you to. And stop trying to paint a rather moderate group who HAS done a good amount of good in the world for the actions of a small few as your pissed they try and get you to go to there chruch. Once upon a time, there would have been no option.

Perhaps being relatively moderate was our mistake. The more nonsense you tolerate, the more you'll be expected to tolerate.. and this specific quote comes to mind:

"One cannot accomplish anything without fanaticism." -Eva "Evita" Peron

[rapscallioness]

Volus Warlord wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

I do find it sad that Christianity and other religions preach tolerance and acceptance

That kind of thing has been massively distorted. Things like the ten commandments were only ever meant to apply to the in-group. Tolerance towards out-groups is a modern invention (and kinda conflicts with the call to genocide in the OT)

Also very true. Our laws for good nature, unselfish behavior and willingness to help those in need are a mere cover for our true purpose: annihilating certain groups that oppose our draconian moral standards. 

No. Alex is right

[shadey]

why don't you actually name this "christian group" instead of making up rumours, an anonymous poll made on the internet is not any proof

do you think we go to church on sunday and talk about mass effect.

it's also funny the majority non-religious people here pointing fingers at religious people here when there have been threats against bioware staff, people withdrawing their money from a charity, and general uncivility and lies towards bioware,.

take a look at yourselves before you take the moral highground

Modifié par shadey, 11 avril 2012 - 02:58 .

[rapscallioness]

Like I said before, there are alot of good Christians out there trying to do the best they can for themselves and others.

But there are also extremists. And there are extremists on both sides.

That's why I said it is the Fundamentalism. The extremism of views that is crippling the world. Across all religions And in those that have more secular outlooks.

It's not the faith, or even those that are atheist. It's us. Certain people just have that kind of mentality. It doesn't matter what they get involved in, that fanaticism will still be there.

edit: if wasn't one thing, it would be another.

Modifié par rapscallioness, 11 avril 2012 - 03:00 .

[rapscallioness]

That said, I absolutely believe that gay people should have the right to get married and have that marriage recognized legally. Period.

That's what I believe. I believe it is just and fair.

[shadey]

you don't even know what you're talking about.

I go to a "fundamentalist" church, there has never in 20 years been anything said about video games. All this "christian uproar" over gay romances in game is false news to generate sales. EA has shown in the past they have no problem misrepresenting christians like hiring actors to pose as christians to protest dante's inferno at E3

[SamT3N7]

So... we get to attack all Christians for the actions of a few? Let me put it this way: Jesus taught his followers to love all men/women regardless of sexuality, other religions, etc, etc. If something looks like hatred then it is not Christian, even if they claim it is. You know, you can support the LBGT community and still be Christian, Jewish, Islam, etc.

[aberdash]

There has been no evidence put forward by EA or anyone else the lends any credence to the claim. For all we know EA could have, and probably did, make it up.

Modifié par aberdash, 11 avril 2012 - 03:14 .

[rapscallioness]

shadey wrote...

you don't even know what you're talking about.

I go to a "fundamentalist" church, there has never in 20 years been anything said about video games. All this "christian uproar" over gay romances in game is false news to generate sales. EA has shown in the past they have no problem misrepresenting christians like hiring actors to pose as christians to protest dante's inferno at E3

Don't you dare talk to me like that. I damn well know what I'm talking about. I'm talking about one of the definitions of fundamentalism being a Strict adherence to any set of basic ideas, or principles.  And how that unbending world view leads to extremist actions that is the bane of this world.

That is the context in which I was speaking. I wasn't talking about friggin' Protestants.

I didn't mention anything about you talking about video games. I wasn't even talking about video games myself at this point because this thread has gone way OT.

And if you actually read what I wrote earlier you'd understand that I agree that this is prolly a false flag by EA.

[SamT3N7]

rapscallioness wrote...

Like I said before, there are alot of good Christians out there trying to do the best they can for themselves and others.

But there are also extremists. And there are extremists on both sides.

This. I would never equate all atheists with Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot,  or Adolf Hitler.  Why are all religious people equated with fundamentalists and bigoted "Christians"?

Modifié par SamT3N7, 11 avril 2012 - 03:24 .

[overburning]

This so much, if heterosexual is 'normal', how can homosexual not be.

[InvincibleHero]

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

(Plus hes an opportunist assassin who betrays you in the end anyway so I just slit his throat after he tries to kill me on my second playthrough haha)

Not true Zevran can be loyal and helps you fight his friend if your relationship is good enough and it is possible without romancing with many points left over. I 100% ed all characters without the festday gifts(broken as in gives +50).

[rapscallioness]

anyhow, talk of religion aside.

Idk if this OP is even true, and even if it is...meh.

That's all I really came in to say. Meh.

[shadey]

rapscallioness wrote...


Don't you dare talk to me like that. I damn well know what I'm talking about. I'm talking about one of the definitions of fundamentalism being a Strict adherence to any set of basic ideas, or principles.  And how that unbending world view leads to extremist actions that is the bane of this world.

That is the context in which I was speaking. I wasn't talking about friggin' Protestants.

I didn't mention anything about you talking about video games. I wasn't even talking about video games myself at this point because this thread has gone way OT.

And if you actually read what I wrote earlier you'd understand that I agree that this is prolly a false flag by EA.

yes and it's offensive.

as someone who is a fundy  we get tired of getting blamed for the world problems, when all we do is live quiet lives and go to work and pay our taxes. No one in my church has done any crime or jail time yet here you are saying we are the bane of the world.

why don't you get mad at all the non-religious people on wall street ripping off millions of people and the entire economy.

Modifié par shadey, 11 avril 2012 - 03:26 .

[Dasha Dreyson]

rapscallioness wrote...

Like I said before, there are alot of good Christians out there trying to do the best they can for themselves and others.

But there are also extremists. And there are extremists on both sides.

That's why I said it is the Fundamentalism. The extremism of views that is crippling the world. Across all religions And in those that have more secular outlooks.

It's not the faith, or even those that are atheist. It's us. Certain people just have that kind of mentality. It doesn't matter what they get involved in, that fanaticism will still be there.

edit: if wasn't one thing, it would be another.

rapscallioness wrote...

That said, I absolutely believe that gay people should have the right to get married and have that marriage recognized legally. Period.

That's what I believe. I believe it is just and fair.

I agree.

[sdm83]

shadey wrote...

why don't you actually name this "christian group" instead of making up rumours, an anonymous poll made on the internet is not any proof

The name of the group is The Florida Family Association

[The_Crazy_Hand]

rapscallioness wrote...

The_Crazy_Hand wrote...

aberdash wrote...

Looks like EA is successfully deflecting the attention from them being voted the worst company in America and the ME3 controversy. People are actually seeing them as victims now somehow.

Yes exactly, most notable is the "Anti-gay boycott", be vary wary of that one folks.  It looks suspicously like something designed to make EA boycotters look like bigots.

They did this before with Dante's Inferno.  It didn't sell as well as they wanted and people quickly ripped it apart for being rushed, plagiarising God Of War, and ruining one of the most classic poems of all time.  What happens next?

Christians "protest" Dante's Inferno and cry out about it, except, it wasn't christian evangalists, it was EA employees(they got busted some time later and even admitted it).

Whaaat? That's just.....eeeeviiiiillll

I dunno about evil, but definitely petty.  Playing victim every time you get called out on some bull**** is the work of two year olds, which is how EA acting.

[Pax of Doom]

Volus Warlord wrote...
Yes indeed. We are actually a pseudo-illuminati organization hell-bent on controlling the world, and we benefit from your extreme self-absorbtion and general weakness.

Yes fundamentalists are hell-bent on controlling the world.  And they benefit most from general apathy, blind eyes, and distorting facts.