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[DeinonSlayer]

Mars Nova wrote...

Props to Bioware for this.  If the right-wingers attack you, you know you're doing something right.

I'm a right-winger. And for the record, we're just as appalled and disgusted by the Westboro Baptist Church types as everyone else. Don't kid yourself: right-wingers get stereotyped all the time.

I'm not offended by the gay romance options in Mass Effect. At all. I myself will never play them - I don't swing that way - but if that's what you want, more power to you. The whole beauty of the Mass Effect narrative is that is finds ways to accomodate so many of us.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

I disagree, every bioware homosexual character was a nuisance. From Zevran, to DA2 characters and Cortez and Traynor. ... And I'm sick of your parades. My humble feelings.

[The_Crazy_Hand]

Flak and Shrapnel from Fallout 3 would be jealous of the attention Cortez is getting . To think, their game sold better too...........

Oh wait, Bethesda didn't get attacked like EA is claiming to, despite better sales..........could it be that EA is just exploiting the 0.0001%% of people who actually complain for a PR bump? No, no way.

You know what Bioware/EA, I have gay friends, gay friends who have gone through real problems. To exploit the existence of bigotry for the sake of your own public image is offensive and angers me.  I understand you probably do get hate mail, just as I understand you probably have been getting it since ME1, what with the Asari and Kelly Chambers.

But if you really care, why the hell didn't you speak out then?  Why now?  I think that speaks for itself.

Modifié par The_Crazy_Hand, 11 avril 2012 - 04:16 .

[Pax of Doom]

The_Crazy_Hand wrote...
But if you really care, why the hell didn't you speak out then?  Why now?  I think that speaks for itself.

Because the petition is also about Star Wars: The Old Republic, and the same-sex companion patch they're working on.  As much as we all love the ME universe here, SW has a bit more reach, and flexibility.

[Treemarker]

Pax of Doom wrote...
Because the petition is also about Star Wars: The Old Republic, and the same-sex companion patch they're working on.  As much as we all love the ME universe here, SW has a bit more reach, and flexibility.

Nice. I see what you did there.

[Dude_in_the_Room]

Jedi Sentinel Arian wrote...

I disagree, every bioware homosexual character was a nuisance. From Zevran, to DA2 characters and Cortez and Traynor. ... And I'm sick of your parades. My humble feelings.

For a Jedi, you sure have a lot of feelings.

[Slash1667]

Noblewolf wrote...

Why do people still care what religious groups think or say?

Because some of us still follow one faith or the other. That being said, these militant groups like this need to chill out and quit giving the rest of us a bad name.

[Slash1667]

Mars Nova wrote...

Props to Bioware for this.  If the right-wingers attack you, you know you're doing something right.

I love this. First I get to reference religion and now this. As a, so called "right winger", I have no problem with the homosexual content of Mass Effect or any other form of entertainment. Like I said in my previous post, these militant groups need to chill out and quit giveing the rest of us a bad name.

[phouria]

Good for EA to standup against stuff liek that.

they are also very active in charity groups with their outreach programs.

[Slash1667]

The_Crazy_Hand wrote...

Bigotry is always bad and always condemnable. And for the record, I don't doubt that there's some bigots pissed off, and they are wrong for it. Just as I don't doubt it happened with ME1 and ME2, which also had gay characters. Suddenly now it's newsworthy? odd, but I did notice some things about this:

-Fallout 3 had gay characters, and sold more than ME3 ever will, yet no outbursts from "anti-gay" people mad the press.
-Fallout New Vegas: Same story, only there were even more gay characters, still no controversy.
-Catherine: Pretty thick gay/transgender stuff with Erica, no controversy
-Indeed, MGS2 had Vamp, no controversy in the press there, And it was clearly a bigger commercial success than ME3.

All of a sudden, there is outrage over ME3, when both ME1 and ME2 also had gay characters? And right after EA gets the golden poo award? In the face of all this ending drama and other crap EA ha been pulling?

Yeah, I smell a serious rat here. Bigotry is bad and should always be condemned, but I know exploitation when I see it.  If EA really cares about Bigotry, why didn't they condemn the people complaining about Liara and the Asari race when ME1 came out?  Or speak out against the people who bashed them for Kelly Chambers or the implied attraction Mordin may have had with Male Sheperd when ME2 came out?

I'd commend them if I thought they really cared, as I am pro-gay as it gets, but I just don't buy it.

If you're gonna compare then let's go big. Brokeback Mountian, released December 2005, theatric run of 133 day, worldwide box office take of 178 million dollars. 8 Oscar nominations and 3 wins. So my question is this, while there was some protesting over this movie it was nowhere near as much as ANY game has ever got for homosexual portrayals.

I have no problem with gay, lesbian or transgenders. My best friend in Houston is lesbian. No clue what all the fuss is about.

[Slash1667]

Blade Blackheart wrote...

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

Just because the thought of two dudes grosses you out doesn't mean that people who lean that way should be left out or discriminated against, that's how I see it anyway. Honestly in a game at least, as long as they're not throwing it in my face I'm cool with it.

I don't understand your comment... I am a lesbian, my FemShep was a lesbian, and was approached several times by guys (Kaiden, Jacob and Vega come to mind first, with Vega being the most aggressive). Would you say they threw their heterosexuality in my face?

Although to be honest, Vega was so aggressive I figured he wouldn't follow though with my femShep.

[Slash1667]

woodbyte wrote...

Noblewolf wrote...

Why do people still care what religious groups think or say?

Just give it another century.

Also, that's hardly a "canadian stance" and more of a non-american stance. But I can see why you would emphasize that given your proximity.

It's nont even a non-american stance. It a stance that a small portion of the population have that is screwing things up for everyone else. To quote Garrus "Yell loud enough and someone will come to see what the noise is about" is their motto. They represent small group that is just big enough to swing an election so politicans listen to them.

I hate to say it but I don't think a century is long enough. This is going to be just like racism. Someone is never going to like and find other people that disagree with them and get together and cause trouble for everyone. The problem is going to be comeing from both sides though.

[Slash1667]

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

woodbyte wrote...

 

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

I'm sorry, but the Christian group is right. Theres no reason why all sexual orientations should be able to enjoy the game equally. I mean, that idea is just Satanic.

 

Obvious bait is obvious.

Really.....

You can't tell I wasn't being serious.  Get a clue.

I read your original post and thought to myself "I really hope that's sarcasm" good to know it was.

[Kanner]

The timing of this - four days after winning Worst Company In America - is inspiring.

[Soaringeagle78]

Wait... Which 'christian' group was it? I bet I can guess it!

[MerchantGOL]

welp Ea's new policy is to cater to idiots that **** loud enough so maybe these idiots will get there waytoo

[Slash1667]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

This thread is absolutely ****ing hilarious.

*ahem*

To the militant atheist group:

I would like to see things from your point of view, but my head doesn't go that far up my own ass.

My apologies,

Right-wing fundamentalist religious zealot # 2456745899

Theres a difference between being athiest and understanding everyone should be able to enjoy themselves.

Kinda what you're doing in.....the ME games. 

Maybe so.. but not in this thread..

Call it a crutch, but I've noticed many of the pro-gay "religious people" do not know ANYTHING about the faith they claim to follow.. and use current fads as a substitute. It irks me.

You may be correct. Many may not know anything about their faith but some of us do and we are still pro-gay. Live and let live is my rule. Question I have for the fundamentalists is this. If the golden rule states in Matthew 7:12 "do to others what you would have them do to you" , do they REALLY want patitions against where they can meet, if they can get married, if they can adopt kids or be treated like crap.

P.S.
Sorry if I offended anyone by bringing scripture in here but it was appropriate to prove a point.

[Arik7]

SamT3N7 wrote...

rapscallioness wrote...

Like I said before, there are alot of good Christians out there trying to do the best they can for themselves and others.

But there are also extremists. And there are extremists on both sides.

This. I would never equate all atheists with Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot,  or Adolf Hitler.  Why are all religious people equated with fundamentalists and bigoted "Christians"?

Adolph Hitler was not an atheist.  He was a Christian.  Not that there's anything wrong with being a Christian, as long as you don't force your religious-based principles on others.

Modifié par Arik7, 11 avril 2012 - 05:28 .

[Slash1667]

E_rik wrote...

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say that the religious group boycotting ME3 is the Westboro Baptists?

That would be my guess.

[Soaringeagle78]

Are we allowed to bring up the specific name of the group? Or is that a no-no?
As for the post above: please, if anyone wants to dismiss religion, don't do it because of these lunatics. Westboro is the reason I swore to myself that I'll never go to Topeka Kansas(or at least 3 miles from their location). These are the craziest deranged 'people' that I've ever seen on television. I myself am Lutheran and find what these people are doing to be dumb, ignorant, racist(understatement of the century), etc. I even saw this thing on the news talking about how the KKK disagreed with them!

Modifié par Soaringeagle78, 11 avril 2012 - 05:36 .

[Arik7]

Slash1667 wrote...

E_rik wrote...

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say that the religious group boycotting ME3 is the Westboro Baptists?

That would be my guess.

No, it was the Florida Family Association.  I am pretty sure that's the same group that boycotted the Muslim TV show. The boycott resulted in cancelled sponsorships for the show.

Modifié par Arik7, 11 avril 2012 - 05:31 .

[Slash1667]

rapscallioness wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

I do find it sad that Christianity and other religions preach tolerance and acceptance

That kind of thing has been massively distorted. Things like the ten commandments were only ever meant to apply to the in-group. Tolerance towards out-groups is a modern invention (and kinda conflicts with the call to genocide in the OT)

Also very true. Our laws for good nature, unselfish behavior and willingness to help those in need are a mere cover for our true purpose: annihilating certain groups that oppose our draconian moral standards. 

No. Alex is right

Actually the call to genocide in the OT is negated by the call to tlerance and acceptance in the NT so it's a wash on that front.

[Slash1667]

shadey wrote...

you don't even know what you're talking about.

I go to a "fundamentalist" church, there has never in 20 years been anything said about video games. All this "christian uproar" over gay romances in game is false news to generate sales. EA has shown in the past they have no problem misrepresenting christians like hiring actors to pose as christians to protest dante's inferno at E3

That's the reason I prefer the term militant. The Westboro Baptist group is a militant religous group.

[Thrillian]

I just want to post to give Bioware kudos for including same sex relationships in their games. I love that they are so adamant about making sure that any group is not excluded from enjoying their games.

Slash1667 wrote...
the golden rule states in Matthew 7:12 "do to others what you would have them do to you"

I am not a particularly religious person but this is something that I have always tried to instill in my children.

[Elk Cloner]

kafreses01 wrote...

 it is also Bioware's right to write their games as they see fit.

So, it perfectly fine if BioWare makes pedophile character? Choose your words correctly. Tolerance of something, like homosexuality, depends of time and place.

As for ME3, homosexual romance has been done all wrong, and just for being there. In another words, just to push it and to be "modern and open-minded".