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[Slash1667]

Thrillho_82 wrote...

I just want to post to give Bioware kudos for including same sex relationships in their games. I love that they are so adamant about making sure that any group is not excluded from enjoying their games.

Slash1667 wrote...
the golden rule states in Matthew 7:12 "do to others what you would have them do to you"

I am not a particularly religious person but this is something that I have always tried to instill in my children.

Most people DO try to instill it to there kids. I was just trying to make a point. That point being that people with a christian affiliation should know there own scripture before acting like the Westboro Baptist Church or Florida Family Association. The rules in the bible regarding the treatment of others apply to anyone we interact with, not just the ones that believe as we do.

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Modifié par Slash1667, 11 avril 2012 - 05:47 .

[Thrillian]

Slash1667 wrote...

Thrillho_82 wrote...

I just want to post to give Bioware kudos for including same sex relationships in their games. I love that they are so adamant about making sure that any group is not excluded from enjoying their games.

Slash1667 wrote...
the golden rule states in Matthew 7:12 "do to others what you would have them do to you"

I am not a particularly religious person but this is something that I have always tried to instill in my children.

Most people DO try to instill it to there kids. I was just trying to make a point. That point being that people with a christian affiliation should know there own scripture before acting like the Westboro Baptist Church or Florida Family Association. The rules in the bible regarding the treatment of others apply to anyone we interact with, not just the ones that believe as we do.

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I am sorry if you felt my post was aimed against you in any way.  That is not what I meant at all.  I was just saying that I believe in treating others as you would want them to treat you. 

[Slash1667]

Thrillho_82 wrote...

Slash1667 wrote...

Thrillho_82 wrote...

I just want to post to give Bioware kudos for including same sex relationships in their games. I love that they are so adamant about making sure that any group is not excluded from enjoying their games.

Slash1667 wrote...
the golden rule states in Matthew 7:12 "do to others what you would have them do to you"

I am not a particularly religious person but this is something that I have always tried to instill in my children.

Most people DO try to instill it to there kids. I was just trying to make a point. That point being that people with a christian affiliation should know there own scripture before acting like the Westboro Baptist Church or Florida Family Association. The rules in the bible regarding the treatment of others apply to anyone we interact with, not just the ones that believe as we do.

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I am sorry if you felt my post was aimed against you in any way.  That is not what I meant at all.  I was just saying that I believe in treating others as you would want them to treat you. 

No, that's quite alright, I didn't think you were meaning anything by it. I just felt I should clarify what I was trying to say. That's all.

[jtrook]

As a christian...wait for it...I support gay romance-able characters. They show a true evolution in society and as a straight dude Cortez was kinda hot.

[aberdash]

florida-family.org/take_action_form.php

My family and I were disappointed to learn that BioWare and Electronic Arts plan to add LGBT content to Star Wars video games.

American families grew up with the Star Wars film series that was family fare. The films contained no profanity, no nudity and no sexual situations.

It makes no sense that BioWare and Electronic Arts would shatter that family quality in Star Wars video games just to pacify 35 LGBT polling participants and appease extremists.

Star Wars video games are for children. An overwhelming percentage of the 1.7 million games sold are being used by children who do not need to be exposed to this propaganda. Please stick to your policy to avoid such advocacy representations in your games.

Please tell us that it is not too late to stop this from impacting our children.

I look forward to sharing your response with family and friends.

Thank you.

That is the email that is being sent to EA. It doesn't look like a threat to me.

Modifié par aberdash, 11 avril 2012 - 05:55 .

[Noblewolf]

Elk Cloner wrote...

kafreses01 wrote...

 it is also Bioware's right to write their games as they see fit.

So, it perfectly fine if BioWare makes pedophile character? Choose your words correctly. Tolerance of something, like homosexuality, depends of time and place.

As for ME3, homosexual romance has been done all wrong, and just for being there. In another words, just to push it and to be "modern and open-minded".

Yes, skyrim had quests that had grown men chasing after little girls but you get to kill them and what not, you can have any type of characterr in anything aslong as its done well and right. homosexual romance has a time and place just like normal romance, in the bed room

[Han Shot First]

These Christian groups aren't gamers. They are best ignored. They are the same nitwits that were in an uproar about nudity in Mass Effect 1, and who blame violent content in video games for society's ills.

I have no interest in playing as a gay or lesbian character in Mass Effect, but it doesn't bother me at all if other people have that option. And unlike Dragon Age 2, Mass Effect 3 got characters' sexual interests right. Some of them were straight, some were gay, and some were bisexual...just like real life. I liked for instance that Traynor is not interested romantically in my male Shep, or that Ashley isn't interested in Fem Shep. (or threeways with Liara, apparently)

Oh, and Traynor was an awesome character! Kudos to whomever wrote her. I'm said she wasn't on the team since Mass Effect 1.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 11 avril 2012 - 06:08 .

[Pax of Doom]

MerchantGOL wrote...

welp Ea's new policy is to cater to idiots that **** loud enough so maybe these idiots will get there waytoo

Because Retake and anti-gay petitions are so very much alike.  <_<

[Pax of Doom]

aberdash wrote...

florida-family.org/take_action_form.php

My family and I were disappointed to learn that BioWare and Electronic Arts plan to add LGBT content to Star Wars video games.

American families grew up with the Star Wars film series that was family fare. The films contained no profanity, no nudity and no sexual situations.

It makes no sense that BioWare and Electronic Arts would shatter that family quality in Star Wars video games just to pacify 35 LGBT polling participants and appease extremists.

Star Wars video games are for children. An overwhelming percentage of the 1.7 million games sold are being used by children who do not need to be exposed to this propaganda. Please stick to your policy to avoid such advocacy representations in your games.

Please tell us that it is not too late to stop this from impacting our children.

I look forward to sharing your response with family and friends.

Thank you.

That is the email that is being sent to EA. It doesn't look like a threat to me.

How many of those children play Sith to Dark Side V?  Glad to know torture, murder, lying, slavery, and general evilness are "family quality".

[fruton]

Xerorei wrote...

fruton wrote...

As much as I see homosexuality as un-natural, it is a part of todays world and BioWare are simply portraying romances in a realistic manner and allowing players the choice. The game doesn't say in any way that hetro or ****** is better than the other and allows the player full control, so there is no "promoting" homosexuality onto kids.

I know BioWare is getting alot of flack recently, some of it deserved too, but this is just plain crazy...

You see it as unnatural because society and religion basically kept pounding it into your head while you were growing up.

If you were raised in a community where you saw straight couples and gay couples you'd think it was normal and think nothing else about it.

I long ago stopped buying in to what society and religion tell me I should think about certain topics, if it makes the other person happy then good on them, I'm no better than they are and cannot judge.

I actually love bioware's stance on this, to each their own, it happens in all kingdoms of animals, it's happened in the past, get over yourself.  At least that is how I interpet BioWare and EA's stances on this.

What's funny is all the homophobia used to be so low key, then states allowed marraige and the Military allowed members to be open, because having to deny who you are and feel ashamed is absolutely horrible.

I do find it sad that Christianity and other religions preach tolerance and acceptance, and yet they're typically the FIRST to decry/outrage/protest anything that doesn't fit into their view of how the world 'should be'.

I wouldn't say that i'd had it drummed into me that it's un-natural, I see it as so because if it was, two men or two women could make a child without outside help. The purpose of sex is for procreation, and that's impossible without male and female parts.

[aberdash]

Funny how some of you people are demonizing them for them letting EA know their opinion when you were complaining about people who didn't support RME doing the same to you.

[RaggieRags]

I agree with the OP. Too often these sort of small religios groups who wish to run other people's lives are able to ban things. Nut jobs should be treated as such. Good for you, bioware!

[Halfdan The Menace]

Arik7 wrote...

Adolph Hitler was not an atheist.  He was a Christian.  Not that there's anything wrong with being a Christian, as long as you don't force your religious-based principles on others.

Incorrect. Hitler obviously neither Atheist or Christian. Hitler claimed he was a "devout Christian" to gain support from both German civilians and soldiers even from those who opposed him. Hitler may in public have claimed to be doing the will of God but records of his private conversations show otherwise.

These are his quotes;
"National Socialism and religion cannot exist together."
"There is something very unhealthy about Christianity."
"The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity..."
"Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... "
"...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... "
"Christianity is the liar... "
"We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State."

[aberdash]

@RaggieRags

You are trying to force your beliefs on them just as much as they are you.

Modifié par aberdash, 11 avril 2012 - 06:32 .

[Pax of Doom]

fruton wrote...
I wouldn't say that i'd had it drummed into me that it's un-natural, I see it as so because if it was, two men or two women could make a child without outside help. The purpose of sex is for procreation, and that's impossible without male and female parts.

There are many aspects of sex that serve no purpose towards procreation - kissing, for instance.  Infertility treatments are outside help, without which many couples could never bring a child into the world.  What is your stance on these?  You needn't answer, of course.  You have every right to your opinon.  Just offering food for thought.

[AresCrusader]

As I've just read on the side of a London bus: "Some people are gay. Get over it."

[fruton]

Pax of Doom wrote...

fruton wrote...
I wouldn't say that i'd had it drummed into me that it's un-natural, I see it as so because if it was, two men or two women could make a child without outside help. The purpose of sex is for procreation, and that's impossible without male and female parts.

There are many aspects of sex that serve no purpose towards procreation - kissing, for instance.  Infertility treatments are outside help, without which many couples could never bring a child into the world.  What is your stance on these?  You needn't answer, of course.  You have every right to your opinon.  Just offering food for thought.

Kissing isn't the act of sex. Sex is, well, I don't want to draw it out for you because i'm sure you know hehe

I'm talking about the physical act, not everything else we do to make each other feel close like kissing and holding hands.

Before somebody does gets on their high horse about me saying this, I hjave nothing against people who like to do this, I just find it un-natural. not repulsive, not evil, just that we weren't built with homosexuality in mind.

[Kusy]

"Allowed homosexual characters"... makes sense. I'm sure Anders and Zewran were begging on their knees to be in the game and Kaidan had to pretend he's straight for whole two games because he was so afraid of loosing his job.

[aberdash]

fruton wrote...

Before somebody does gets on their high horse about me saying this, I hjave nothing against people who like to do this, I just find it un-natural. not repulsive, not evil, just that we weren't built with homosexuality in mind.

You are free to dislike homosexuality but it is not unnatural. It has been observed in many species, not just humans.

[SamT3N7]

Arik7 wrote...

SamT3N7 wrote...

rapscallioness wrote...

Like I said before, there are alot of good Christians out there trying to do the best they can for themselves and others.

But there are also extremists. And there are extremists on both sides.

This. I would never equate all atheists with Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot,  or Adolf Hitler.  Why are all religious people equated with fundamentalists and bigoted "Christians"?

Adolph Hitler was not an atheist.  He was a Christian.  Not that there's anything wrong with being a Christian, as long as you don't force your religious-based principles on others.

Woops!  I think I was too focused on the murderous dictator sort. Sorry!

EDIT: Ok, maybe I wasn't completely wrong.  Thanks 
ModestmeNTaLmogul!

Modifié par SamT3N7, 11 avril 2012 - 06:54 .

[fruton]

aberdash wrote...

fruton wrote...

Before somebody does gets on their high horse about me saying this, I hjave nothing against people who like to do this, I just find it un-natural. not repulsive, not evil, just that we weren't built with homosexuality in mind.

You are free to dislike homosexuality but it is not unnatural. It has been observed in many species, not just humans.

Just because an animal does it, doesn't make it natural. An animal isn't going to get pregnant from rectal intercourse for instance. That's my point about it being unnatural.

and again, I don't 'dislike' homosexuality.

Can we now not turn this thread into something it's not?

[Pax of Doom]

fruton wrote...
Kissing isn't the act of sex. Sex is, well, I don't want to draw it out for you because i'm sure you know hehe

I'm talking about the physical act, not everything else we do to make each other feel close like kissing and holding hands.

Well, let's just say there is more to it than just one act.  And we'll leave it at that.   

Anyway, everyone has a right to say what they want, protest what they want.  And anyone has the right to call them on it, to make them defend their views.  Peace out. 

[aberdash]

fruton wrote...

Just because an animal does it, doesn't make it natural. An animal isn't going to get pregnant from rectal intercourse for instance. That's my point about it being unnatural.

When it is observed in many species who have no moral philosophy it is natural. This isn't a matter of opinion.

[Slash1667]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

"Allowed homosexual characters"... makes sense. I'm sure Anders and Zewran were begging on their knees to be in the game and Kaidan had to pretend he's straight for whole two games because he was so afraid of loosing his job.

Military "Don't Ask/Don't Tell" possibly?

[shadey]

I still don't get what people are mad about, the group is merely petitioning bioware not to have gay characters. This is no different to people petitioning to have the ending changed. In a free society  that's what they are allowed to do. Bioware can either ignore it or listen to it, people seem to think religious people have no right to an opinion.