I think some of us "pro-enders" are tired of typing the same thing over and over, so here's a link-dump of all the threads/posts/blogs about why people liked the ending. There are some threads that are not necessarily defending the endings per se, but include posts and discussion about why people liked the endings. I have also included threads that have interesting discussions on the possibilities and implications of the endings, regardless of whether the OP liked the endings or not.
I'm not including threads that just go "I liked the ending" and give no reason/discussion whatsoever, nor the threads that are just pro and anti people just sniping as each other, as that isn't very helpful.
Ultimately, this thread isn't meant to prove anyone right or wrong, or to convince anyone to like the endings or not. You can read every post here, disagree with the interpretations, and come out still hating the ending anyway, just as I can read through the posts nitpicking the "plot holes" and find reasonable explanations as to why that happened and still like the ending anyway. This thread is just meant to be a collection of the discussions out there so that they don't get drowned in the sea of hate.
If anyone wants to type their reasons why they liked the endings in this thread, they are definitely free to do so. Let's just keep the discussions civil in here, ok? We've been doing really well on this thread, so let's keep it that way! Don't feed the trolls and all that.
I will take this chance to say thank you to everyone whose links I have included, whether "pro-ending" or not.
If you have a link you want to include in the OP, or any suggestions about how to categorize or organize the links, please let me know!
WARNING (just because warning labels are fun to write)
The following threads may contain "Lots of Speculation from Everyone." Parental supervision is advised.
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Personal Views/Analyses
Mass Effect 3: My defense of Bioware's ending, as is. Discuss logic, lore,...
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11189024/1
Probably the only one here but... I loved the endings. By Dragoonlordz
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9905757
Why I love the ending, why I disagree with (most) plotholes, and why we should have... by firebreather19
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11226595
My new thoughts on ending and symbolism by tenojitsu
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11143176/1
Post by LstOfTheBrunnenG
http://hardforum.com...&postcount=1007
Reasons why the ending is good. by GiarcYekrub
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11267537/1
An explanation of the ending since its not going to change by chammie
http://social.biowar...ndex/11272956/1
I hated the ending, but I also love it by sp0ck 06
http://social.biowar.../index/10071195
My plea to those who still support the ending by AxisEvolve
(Not pro-ending, but has some discussion.)
http://social.biowar...ndex/11277068/1
Mass Effect 3 Endings inspired by Issac Asimov's "Foundation" Series? by SaudadeNovo
http://social.biowar.../index/11119190
Giving players a choice, doesn't have to be a fair choice (ending) by OhoniX
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11351245/1
The galaxy is saved... isn't it? by Sekani
http://sekani2.com/4...-saved-isnt-it/
The Subjectivity of Art by Flayed Man of A-Ton
(Not pro-ending, but has good discussion)
http://social.biowar...ndex/11361335/1
I challenge those who hate the ending to read this by sp0ck 06
(Skip past all the dismissals and ending hate and go to the part where Rei actually starts discussing his views--p.16.)
http://social.biowar...dex/11538181/16
"All Were Thematically Revolting". My Lit Professor's take on the... by Made Nightwing & drayfish
(Not pro-ending, but has great discussion, especially by optimistickied.)
http://social.biowar.../index/11435886
What I Think BioWare Was Trying to Do with the Ending by HBC Dresden
http://social.biowar.../index/11527566
There is perfect continuity between Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 3 by MyChemicalBromance
http://social.biowar.../index/11555820
I Don't Like it, But .... id, ego, superego by 3DandBeyond
http://social.biowar.../index/11551158
So what if 1+1 does equal 3? Ending Commentary by MystEU
http://social.biowar.../index/11580033
After Playing Through the Entire Series Again, I like the Ending even More by boardnfool86
http://social.biowar...ndex/11652307/1
So...I liked the ending by InvertedVantage
http://social.biowar.../index/11619402
The Harvesting Analogy: There is poetry in Catalyst's reasoning even if you don't agree with it by laurencium
http://social.biowar.../index/11755272
Why I liked the ending. by babachewie
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11902292
Why pro-enders and anti-enders are both right by Caltaron
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12180091/1
A New Analysis by Thalador
(Not pro-ending per se, but has an interesting analysis)
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12199704
Reaper, Citadel, Crucible, and Catalyst - My attempt at an explanation by Obadiah
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12200029
I think I get it now! I understand the Catalyst's "solution" (though don't necessarily agree) by Micah3sixty
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12190758
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Threads about Specific Endings
Control
Ah, yes Control and Synthesis....We have dismissed those claims by Dendio1
(not pro-ending, but some people make good points defeinding the control and synthesis choices)
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11727674/1
Wait, why is control ending a bad choice again? by RMP _
http://social.biowar.../index/11865470
Destroy
Mass Effect 3: There is only ONE choice (revised edit) by pro5
http://social.biowar...ndex/11799672/1
Synthesis
On the nature of the Catalyst and the Reapers, and why Synthesis is such an attractive choice by Ieldra2
http://social.biowar...ndex/11863883/1
Where the Catalyst is foreshadowed, and where Synthesis is Shepard's choice... by Ieldra2
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11737868/
Why Synthesis was a Good Choice for My Shepherd by ardensia
social.bioware.com/3564527/blog/212369/
My take on ME3, the ending, etc. - SPOILER WARNING by AtreiyaN7
social.bioware.com/269892/blog/211643/
Defending Synthesis by Kroguard
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11903107
Why my Shepard will choose Synthesis by Gexora
http://social.biowar...ndex/12099895/1
A different ascension - the Synthesis compendium by Ieldra2
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12153660/1
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How Endings Make Sense WRT Lore, Themes, and/or Narrative
The Ending was Foreshadowed but just Delivered really, really badly. By ChildOfEden
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11147817/1
We're not supposed to know how certain actions play out. By Hudathan
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9868168
Very Long Analysis of ME3 Ending, aka why the ending is great (spoilers) by Skyfyre
www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.361199-Very-Long-Analysis-of-ME3-Ending-aka-why-the-ending-is-great-spoilers
Kishotenketsu—why I liked the Mass Effect 3 endings. by fle6isnow
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10603297/1
The Crucible and the destruction of the relays makes narrative sense by My Chemical Bromance
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11216760
Why the mass relays had to be destroyed by Isichar
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11129694
Why the Relays Had to Go (long) by Evil Minion
http://social.biowar.../index/11175025
Stargazer Theory aka BW's Narrative Technique in DA2/ME3 by GuyIncognito
http://social.biowar...index/11189046/
Dr. Solus Love: or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the End. by inko1nsiderate
http://social.biowar.../index/10270489
The Reapers Cannot Be Stopped Conventionally by boardnfool86
http://social.biowar.../index/11329962
Why the Crucible may really be the only way to defeat the Reapers... by JShepppp
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11814974
What is Deus ex Machina you ask ... and how is it bad writing? by Excl
(Not a "pro-ending" thread, but Geneaux486 has posts in here explaining why he does not see the Catalyst as Deus Ex Machina)
http://social.biowar.../index/11290368
The ME3 Ending Controversy by Press Start To Continue
http://press-start-t...ing-controversy
Why the Codex says we can't win conventionally. by A0170
http://social.biowar.../index/11550547
Why "extended cut" and "clarification" is better, then... by vit-tronart
http://social.biowar.../index/11454763
Was the logic behind the final choices in the ending due to "Destroy or... by FlyinElk212
http://social.biowar.../index/11484593
Post about classical Greek Themes of Mass Effect by Smitridel
(Just ignore the sniping in this thread; I found the analysis too interesting not to post.)
http://social.biowar...7106/8#11753552
Post by fle6isnow on the themes of Mass Effect
http://social.biowar...886/33#11616475
Post by dreamgazer about how the endings tie in with previously presented themes
http://social.biowar...906/19#12011720
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Exploring "Plot Holes", Logic, etc.
Why the Catalyst's Logic is Right... by JShepppp
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10761785/1
For those confused about the Catalyst's logic by terdferguson123
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10569003/1
*SPOILER* The ending being good or not... by ABjerre
(Someone who agree with the Reapers? Le gasp, he's indoctrinated! =p)
http://social.biowar.../index/11281991
Mass Effect 3’s Misunderstood Ending (The Crucible) by FemmeShep
http://social.biowar...m/3840629/blog/
The Choices at the end were not all created by AI/Starchild? by FemmeShep
(Discussion on the same topic as her blog post above)
http://social.biowar.../index/10888946
TIM being on the Citadel during the ending shouldn't be a plot hole? By Hudathan
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10594940
Things people forget that they call "plot holes"
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11142960
Why the Mass Relays' Explosion Did NOT Destroy the Galaxy by HBC Dresden
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11157441
De-Bunking Mass Relays Destroying Everything by Dobiog101
(With pictures!)
http://social.biowar.../index/11300813
Shepard Was Lucky - A Humorous Take on the ME Plot by JShepppp
(Funny thread about ALL the plot holes/inconsistencies in the ME series)
http://social.biowar...ndex/10592397/1
The Ending Bioware tried to make, and the Ending they actually made by Nobrandminda
http://social.biowar...ndex/11431347/1
A Logical Rebuttal to Arguments That Mass Effect 3’s Ending Makes No Sense by Thisiswatson
docs.google.com/document/d/1FfZAVADumKQZeut8EuPjC-LrsjpTfp3VhLr546bLJNc/mobilebasic
Why the Catalyst's Truthfulness is Irrelevant for the Crucible by JShepppp
http://social.biowar.../index/11580045
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The Aftermath of the Choices/Hope After the End
I'm afraid we need to use... Math (Weekes is right). By MyChemicalBromance
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11158454/1
Galaxy map, FTL and the problem of getting the stranded fleets home. by a.m.p.
(Not pro-ending, but reiterates and expounds upon the same points as MyChemicalBromance's thread above.)
http://social.biowar...ndex/10943661/1
What is the Synthesis? An extrapolation for a plausible scenario by Ieldra2
http://social.biowar...ndex/10515916/1
Out of the dark age: An ME3 aftermath worldbuilding project by Ieldra2
http://social.biowar...ndex/10726795/1
The Omega 4 Relay: Anomaly or Hint? (Discussion of Post-Relay Technology) by MyChemicalBromance
http://social.biowar.../index/11314964
Next Mass Effect - Space Exploration Ideas. (Positive Thread) by PhotonMaze
http://social.biowar.../index/11550962
Possible Mass Effect 4 story taking into account the Mass Effect 3 endings by Rartemass
http://social.biowar.../index/11160043
A Fatty Dose of Hope by MyChemicalBromance
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11617303/1
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Q&A/FAQ and Ending Improvement Threads
Q&A/FAQ
People who like the ending: Why is it good? By chester013
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11199425/1
For those who liked the ending --please help by sH0tgUn jUliA
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10849637/1
A question for those who enjoyed the ending... by KinomotoSun84
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11379582/3
For those of you who believe the ending wasn't bad... by doug.fox
http://social.biowar...ndex/11073142/1
Pro-Enders i have a question. by Nonoru
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11733985/1
I Have a Question (for "Pro-Enders" of ME3)by BlazingZephyr
http://social.biowar...ndex/11857489/1
I hereby challenge any Pro-Ender to refute the points made by Strange Aeons. by ArchLord James
http://social.biowar...ndex/11829208/1
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Ending Improvement Threads
Meaningful Sacrifice, Or How I Learned to Love Clarification by lillitheris
http://social.biowar.../index/11289479
Threading the Needle: Now With Synthesis by Fapmaster5000
(Possibilities on how to fix ending)
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11118797
"Being of Light" theory (The endings really happened) by TMA LIVE
http://social.biowar...ndex/10890419/1
Control/Destroy the Reapers (aka, the loop hole ending) by TMA LIVE
http://social.biowar...ndex/11842598/1
Alternative Catalyst dialogue (EC suggestion) . Ideas for refinement welcome by Ieldra2
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11896347
Did post-leak changes ruin the ending's exposition and the Control and Synthesis options? by Ieldra2
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11989180
Arcian's Fixed Ending by Arcian
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9928376
The best way the Extended Cut can end up by Ieldra2
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12043832
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Articles and Podcasts
Articles
Editorial – The Reaper’s Advocate: A Different Take on the Mass Effect 3 Ending by guest blogger Rei
(A must-read, IMO. One of the best articles not only about the end, but about Mass Effect in general, tying things to hard sci-fi concepts.)
galacticpillow.com/2012/04/02/editorial-the-reapers-advocate-a-different-take-on-the-mass-effect-3-ending
Editorial – Mass Effect 3: Ending Analysis by Master Pillow
http://galacticpillo...nding-analysis/
A Socratic Debate: A Dialogue Between a Paragon and a Renegade by Robert G.
(A look at both sides of the ending debate, and good arguments for each side.)
www.blisteredthumbs.net/2012/03/socratic-debate-para-rene/
The Ending Of MASS EFFECT 3 Is Spectacular by Devin Faraci
http://badassdigest....-is-spectacular
Do Geth Dream of Electric Shepards? by Jordan Groves
http://www.ogeeku.co...ctric-shepards/
What's Right with Mass Effect 3's Ending by John Walker
http://www.rockpaper...fect-3s-ending/
Reviewers' Talk: Mass Effect 3, the ending, the narrative, the controversy by Arthur Gies
http://www.theverge....t-3-ending-talk
Ars Technica: Did Bioware actually lie about the ending to Mass Effect 3? By Kyle Orland
http://arstechnica.c...ss-effect-3.ars
Why It's Time to Leave the Mass Effect 3 Ending Alone by Matt Peckham
http://techland.time...3-ending-alone/
Bit Gamer: "I don't deserve a happy Mass Effect 3 ending." by Paul Goodhead
http://www.bit-tech....s-effect-3-end/
Game endings: are we being too harsh? by Ben Mansell
http://www.bit-tech..../04/30/ending/1
Penny Arcade's Gabe on the Mass Effect 3 Ending
www.penny-arcade.com/2012/03/14/mass-effect-3-ending-spoiler-warning
Why the ending of Mass Effect 3 was satisfying, and worthy of the series (Massive spoilers) Editorial by Ben Kuchera.
http://www.penny-arc...the-series-mass
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Podcasts
Game Critics podcast
www.gamecritics.com/dylan-collins/gamecritics-com-podcast-episode-71-mass-effect-3-sequels
Game Informer Show podcast
http://www.gameinfor...w-round-up.aspx
PC Gamer US podcast on the endings
http://www.pcgamer.c...ect-3-spoilers/
G33kWatch podcast on the ending debate.
http://www.g33kwatch...kwatch-podcast/
The Veteran Gamers podcast on the ending debate. (1h 40min)
http://o35s.podbean....-mass-effect-3/
The Game Arena spoilercast of Mass Effect 3.
http://www.gamearena...fect-3-spoilers
Nerd Appropriate spoilercast of Mass Effect 3.
http://www.nerdappro...on-the-podcast/
The GamerSushi Show Mass Effect 3 podcast.
http://gamersushi.co...e-44-mass-cast/
The GamerSushi Show on the extended cut DLC.
(just the first few minutes)
http://gamersushi.co...stop-believing/
GameCritics podcasts on the myths of game criticism
(Not about ME3 in particular, but relevant to the discussion)
http://gamecritics.c...-game-criticism
http://gamecritics.c...riticism-part-2
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(Edit: artistic integrity! I kept the links the same, but clarified and provided closure. And now there are more colors too! Lol. Also Bioware forums, YU NO POST PROPERLY?!? It keeps taking out my pretty colors whenever I update. D=)
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