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"Pro-ending" Compendium Thread (Extended Cut, now with more clarity and colors!)

Débuté par fle6isnow , avril 10 2012 11:50

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#476
dreamgazer

Posté 25 juin 2012 - 03:39

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saracen16 wrote...

Heeden wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

No game/movie/story forces you to piece things together. I challenge you to find a piece of prevalent fiction that deliberately leaves its most important plot components unresolved so the reader has to finish the story themselves.

Foundation's Edge has a three-way decision with none of the options being clearly of pragmantic or moral superiority, the results are never explained and the next book - Foundation and Earth - explores the theme more fully with still no conclusion. This book ends with a choice whether an ancient robot should fuse its consciousness with an orphan, again no indication is given of which choice was correct (if any) or what the results actually are.

After that Asimov wrote a couple of prequels before he died, it seems he felt it was important to introduce those themes to the work but couldn't satisfacorily explain what they actually did (a literary event horizon perhaps?)

The Dark Tower ended on an emotional bummer with no resolution or even a hint of what had been achieved, if anything.

Two of my all-time favourite series, in fact "It's about the journey, not the destination" is a phrase me and some friends have been using since book 7 of the Dark Tower released.

The fact that a book or story actually forces you to piece things together makes it more involving and engrossing. It turns you into an active participant, not just a reactive one.

Ding, ding.

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#477
saracen16

Posté 25 juin 2012 - 05:09

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dreamgazer wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

Heeden wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

No game/movie/story forces you to piece things together. I challenge you to find a piece of prevalent fiction that deliberately leaves its most important plot components unresolved so the reader has to finish the story themselves.

Foundation's Edge has a three-way decision with none of the options being clearly of pragmantic or moral superiority, the results are never explained and the next book - Foundation and Earth - explores the theme more fully with still no conclusion. This book ends with a choice whether an ancient robot should fuse its consciousness with an orphan, again no indication is given of which choice was correct (if any) or what the results actually are.

After that Asimov wrote a couple of prequels before he died, it seems he felt it was important to introduce those themes to the work but couldn't satisfacorily explain what they actually did (a literary event horizon perhaps?)

The Dark Tower ended on an emotional bummer with no resolution or even a hint of what had been achieved, if anything.

Two of my all-time favourite series, in fact "It's about the journey, not the destination" is a phrase me and some friends have been using since book 7 of the Dark Tower released.

The fact that a book or story actually forces you to piece things together makes it more involving and engrossing. It turns you into an active participant, not just a reactive one.

Ding, ding.

I was agreeing with Heeden.

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#478
SNAKEATEN

Posté 25 juin 2012 - 07:05

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Taboo-XX wrote...

It's going to get very ugly come tomorrow ladies and gentlemen. Regardless of how you feel about
"X" I would suggest doing something to prepare, gurge your loins, hug a puppy, your wife, husband, partner etc.

I hope that everyone can find at least find some satisfaction with the EC, otherwise this whole stupid mess will just start all over again.

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#479
fle6isnow

Posté 27 juin 2012 - 07:05

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Hellooooo thread! I've been super busy lately (sewing, sewing, all this goddamn sewing), but I made time to do an entire run of ME1-3 before the EC was released. Oh, and I played TW1 and started on TW2. So basically my life has been work, sewing, and RPGs, lol.

Have y'all played through the EC yet? I only played it twice so far--one with my renegade who picked high EMS destroy, and the other with my paragon who refused. ALL OF MY YAY, BIOWARE. As one who requested the refusal option myself, I was happy with how it played out, although it could have been slightly better. I still have to play through control and synthesis, and the low EMS options, but so far I can say that I actually love the ending, whereas I merely liked it before. I'm 95% happy with the new ending, and the other 5% is just me being a nitpicky fan (and may go away once I actually play through the other options.

What do you guys think of the EC? Do "pro-enders" love it more than before? Any people who disliked/hated it before, but like/love it now?

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#480
Temprathe

Posté 27 juin 2012 - 07:29

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fle6isnow wrote...

Hellooooo thread! I've been super busy lately (sewing, sewing, all this goddamn sewing), but I made time to do an entire run of ME1-3 before the EC was released. Oh, and I played TW1 and started on TW2. So basically my life has been work, sewing, and RPGs, lol.

Have y'all played through the EC yet? I only played it twice so far--one with my renegade who picked high EMS destroy, and the other with my paragon who refused. ALL OF MY YAY, BIOWARE. As one who requested the refusal option myself, I was happy with how it played out, although it could have been slightly better. I still have to play through control and synthesis, and the low EMS options, but so far I can say that I actually love the ending, whereas I merely liked it before. I'm 95% happy with the new ending, and the other 5% is just me being a nitpicky fan (and may go away once I actually play through the other options.

What do you guys think of the EC? Do "pro-enders" love it more than before? Any people who disliked/hated it before, but like/love it now?

As a pro-ender who believed the endings needed to be elaborated on more than changed (although I was a bit disappointed with the direction the endings took, I did admit that they were really only doing what the previous ME games had done and that the hype in different endings was a PR issue, not a game-consistency issue) I very much enjoyed the EC. I picked synthesis my first time before the EC, then thought about it afterwards and thought that I was wrong in doing so.

But my ME play throughs keep all my mistakes as canon, but i considered the endings again during EC with the new information given and still chose synthesis. Gotta say, I was quite happy with it all. I'm ready for another playthrough now. I'll probably get flamed for actually supporting the endings here on BSN, but whatever.

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#481
sp0ck 06

Posté 27 juin 2012 - 07:34

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fle6isnow wrote...

Hellooooo thread! I've been super busy lately (sewing, sewing, all this goddamn sewing), but I made time to do an entire run of ME1-3 before the EC was released. Oh, and I played TW1 and started on TW2. So basically my life has been work, sewing, and RPGs, lol.

Have y'all played through the EC yet? I only played it twice so far--one with my renegade who picked high EMS destroy, and the other with my paragon who refused. ALL OF MY YAY, BIOWARE. As one who requested the refusal option myself, I was happy with how it played out, although it could have been slightly better. I still have to play through control and synthesis, and the low EMS options, but so far I can say that I actually love the ending, whereas I merely liked it before. I'm 95% happy with the new ending, and the other 5% is just me being a nitpicky fan (and may go away once I actually play through the other options.

What do you guys think of the EC? Do "pro-enders" love it more than before? Any people who disliked/hated it before, but like/love it now?

I like the EC alot, but it certainly showed me some of my speculations about the original ending were off.

In a weird way, I kind of enjoyed the actual experience of playing the original ending, bizzare as that may sound. I enjoyed being "tricked" by the devs in a sense, and I thought the ending, while jarring, unsatisfying, and abrupt, felt sublime and shocking.

However, the EC is a much better ending for Mass Effect the videogame, no doubt about it. Although the Stargazer scene has kind of lost its appeal, especially in the Synthesis ending.

But overall, I think BW did a good job in making the endings leave the player with a better feeling, as in winning the game.

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#482
GuyIncognito

Posté 27 juin 2012 - 07:50

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Downloaded the EC and started right after the Cerebus Station Assault. Felt that the general clarification of the added segments reinforces Shepard's final decision as that he/she knew that chances for coming back from the Citadel were not good. My canon choice did not change as Destroy was still selected.

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#483
fle6isnow

Posté 27 juin 2012 - 09:20

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Oh god, I just played through the Control (edit: Paragon one, anyway) ending. SO MANY TEARS. This might be my new favorite ending, whereas Destroy was my favorite before.

Synthesis, here I go!

sp0ck 06 wrote...

I like the EC alot, but it certainly showed me some of my speculations about the original ending were off.

In a weird way, I kind of enjoyed the actual experience of playing the original ending, bizzare as that may sound. I enjoyed being "tricked" by the devs in a sense, and I thought the ending, while jarring, unsatisfying, and abrupt, felt sublime and shocking.

However, the EC is a much better ending for Mass Effect the videogame, no doubt about it. Although the Stargazer scene has kind of lost its appeal, especially in the Synthesis ending.

But overall, I think BW did a good job in making the endings leave the player with a better feeling, as in winning the game.

Haha, I agree about the weird enjoyment of the original endings. For me though, a lot of my speculations were actually vindicated and validated by the ending. I always figured the Catalyst was an AI went horribly wrong (like HAL), and I was right. I kinda feel like the EC was overexplained in some parts for me, but this is definitely what the ending should have been in the first place.The emotional pull, the option to reject and stick to your principles, actually showing your LI and teammates at the end... yeah. I am satisfied, and I wub Bioware with the force of a thousand Shepards!

Modifié par fle6isnow, 27 juin 2012 - 09:54 .

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#484
GuyIncognito

Posté 27 juin 2012 - 10:33

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In reference to a crazy AI with flawed logic...

Hey file, did you ever play the 1st Fallout by Interplay?

There is scenario which can play out where you confront "The Master" about a flaw in his logical plan.

Modifié par GuyIncognito, 27 juin 2012 - 10:35 .

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#485
saracen16

Posté 28 juin 2012 - 02:05

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fle6isnow wrote...

Hellooooo thread! I've been super busy lately (sewing, sewing, all this goddamn sewing), but I made time to do an entire run of ME1-3 before the EC was released. Oh, and I played TW1 and started on TW2. So basically my life has been work, sewing, and RPGs, lol.

Have y'all played through the EC yet? I only played it twice so far--one with my renegade who picked high EMS destroy, and the other with my paragon who refused. ALL OF MY YAY, BIOWARE. As one who requested the refusal option myself, I was happy with how it played out, although it could have been slightly better. I still have to play through control and synthesis, and the low EMS options, but so far I can say that I actually love the ending, whereas I merely liked it before. I'm 95% happy with the new ending, and the other 5% is just me being a nitpicky fan (and may go away once I actually play through the other options.

What do you guys think of the EC? Do "pro-enders" love it more than before? Any people who disliked/hated it before, but like/love it now?

I loved it even before the EC, but now I love it even more.

And add my signature links to your OP. I have some pro-ending arguments of my own as well.

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#486
fle6isnow

Posté 28 juin 2012 - 07:00

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GuyIncognito wrote...

In reference to a crazy AI with flawed logic...

Hey file, did you ever play the 1st Fallout by Interplay?

There is scenario which can play out where you confront "The Master" about a flaw in his logical plan.

Haven't played any of the Fallout games, actually. This must be remedied! But it'll probably have to be after I get around to Morrowind and Skyrim.

saracen16 wrote...

I loved it even before the EC, but now I love it even more.

And add my signature links to your OP. I have some pro-ending arguments of my own as well.

I haven't updated in so long... I'm super busy this week though, so it'll probably be updated Tuesday of next week.

(I really shouldn't even have played the EC like, 6-bajillion times because I am cramming on my costumes. :pinched:

)

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#487
Hudathan

Posté 29 juin 2012 - 01:01

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I have small problems with the extended cut and specifically my own personal ending, but as a whole it was what I hoped it would be: a longer, more complete experience made up of mostly stuff I enjoy.

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#488
saracen16

Posté 29 juin 2012 - 04:14

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fle6isnow wrote...

GuyIncognito wrote...

In reference to a crazy AI with flawed logic...

Hey file, did you ever play the 1st Fallout by Interplay?

There is scenario which can play out where you confront "The Master" about a flaw in his logical plan.

Haven't played any of the Fallout games, actually. This must be remedied! But it'll probably have to be after I get around to Morrowind and Skyrim.

saracen16 wrote...

I loved it even before the EC, but now I love it even more.

And add my signature links to your OP. I have some pro-ending arguments of my own as well.

I haven't updated in so long... I'm super busy this week though, so it'll probably be updated Tuesday of next week.

(I really shouldn't even have played the EC like, 6-bajillion times because I am cramming on my costumes.)

I don't know why, but for some reason, I'm reading your posts in an Afro-Jamaican accent.

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#489
GuyIncognito

Posté 29 juin 2012 - 05:03

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fle6isnow wrote...
Haven't played any of the Fallout games, actually. This must be remedied! But it'll probably have to be after I get around to Morrowind and Skyrim.

I hope this isn't too much of a spoiler then.

http://social.biowar.../index/12865198

The Fallout 1 dialogue is actual dialogue from the game where you choose options that point out The Master's flaw. The second part is just me having a little fun with the dialogue in Mass Effect 3 because the scenario of choosing was just too similar that I couldn't joke about it.