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[GuyIncognito]

Hudathan wrote...
People are suddenly reminded that they've been playing as Bioware's Shepard and not merely their own Shepard.

Yep, that about sums up my theory.

[ardensia]

Hudathan wrote...

I think Bioware's illusion of control and personalization was so strong in this series that it was inevitably going to bite them in the proverbial ass when it came to cannon endings. They were able to hide this somewhat in ME1 because it was a new series and no one knew what to expect, and in ME2 through small variations of the Suicide Mission tailored to each player.

However, when it came time to end the Reaper story and lay down the groundwork for a post-Reaper galaxy, the 'limitations' of a story based game really rushed to the forefront. People are suddenly reminded that they've been playing as Bioware's Shepard and not merely their own Shepard.

And to be honest, it was always Bioware's Shepard, they just hid it well because there was little need to take direct control (lol) of the story until the very end.

Listen to this guy, people. He says good stuff.

I remember as I was playing through ME3 that I kept wondering how they were going to resolve this issue. I thought they did a superb job of bringing the player into the character of Shepherd throughout the first two games, but even before I pre-ordered the third, I wondered how they could possibly please everyone with their individual variations.

It's easy to slap a light side/dark side ending on something, but from the very beginning Mass Effect has been about making your choices matter, and while it took them 3 games to figure out how to do a morality system that wasn't black and white, it was their expressed intention to do so from fairly early on. But in choosing that, they inevitably wrote themselves into their current problem. How do you write an ending to a story when you have tens of thousands of variations on the main character, and still stay true to the character?

When faced with a problem like that, it's really no surprise they wanted to leave the ending open to speculation. It is impossible for them to create an ending that is going to fit perfectly with each person's interpretation of Shepherd. So they take the core values that make up Shepherd... the unstoppable headbutting juggernaut bit (core to personality), the desire to stop the Reapers (core to motivation), and a rough sketch of the alignments (core to approach)... and they hand us something that deals with those. And only those. Because they can't account for the rest of what Shepherd is to the players.

Is it a weakly-written cop-out? Well, it's definitely weakly-written and neglects several other parts of the storyline that players grew to love. But the end does address those three things in tandem. The characer of Shepherd, no matter how you play them, should be willing to stop the Reapers at any cost. The hints at just how much it might cost get less than subtle in ME3, though they go back as far as Feros and Virmire. More than once in ME3 we see characters choose options that should (and often do) cost their lives in the name of winning this war. How can Shepherd, who has been their leader and friend, be willing to give anything less?

And so the last choice we are given in the game is one we have to make under the belief that no matter which way we go, Shepherd will die. Because regardless of how many players would have liked to run off somewhere and raise little blue daughters or mutant turian-human hybrids, that is not a choice Bioware's Shepherd can make in light of all that has been sacrificed so far, not when there's a chance to end this all here and now, and possibly for good.

But that's a damn hard thing to ask from people, and it's a testament to Bioware's creativity that many people got there and, storytelling gibberish aside, struggled with the idea that no matter what choice they made, Shepherd died. Even moreso that people struggled with it to the point of rejecting it outright. Why? Because doing so is a perfectly human reaction to being asked to give up something you love deeply for what amounts to nothing more than a chance at peace... and Shepherd won't even get to see it. For most people, it's incredibly bitter to be told you got this far and worked this hard, and now you have to sacrifice one more thing, and you won't even get to reap the benefits of your labor.

Regardless of where we are as players, the character of Shepherd is both ready and willing to make that sacrifice in the end. One similarity in the endings that gets overlooked is the sheer amount of confidence Shepherd has as she approaches her final choice. Because Shepherd is a person with that kind of determination. Once her mind is made up, she's seeing it through to the end.

Ideally, by the time we reach the end of the game, we're there too, because we as players are effectively wearing the mask of Shepherd to interact with the world. It shouldn't be the other way around. We are Shepherd. Shepherd is not us. And it's worth noting that those of us who are alright with the endings as is seem to, for the most part, have recognized and accepted this dichotomy. Playing Mass Effect is more like being in a Shakespearean play than it is like roleplaying. We each bring our own quirks to the character we're playing on stage, but if we're playing Romeo, we will still fall in love with Juliette. If we are playing Hamlet, we will still fight with our mother and uncle. And if we're playing Shepherd, we're still going to be willing to sacrifice everything for a chance to stop the Reapers. Because that's what the character does.

Modifié par ardensia, 12 avril 2012 - 08:03 .

[ardensia]

Double post. Sorry.

Modifié par ardensia, 12 avril 2012 - 07:55 .

[slimshedim]

fle6isnow wrote...

(revised April 11, 2012)

I think some of us "pro-enders" are tired of typing the same thing over and over, so here's a link-dump of all the threads/posts/blogs about why people liked the ending. There may also be some threads that are not necessarily pro-ending, but include some posts and discussion about why people liked the endings. I'm not including the ones that just go "I liked the ending" and give no reason/discussion whatsoever, or the threads that are just pro and anti people just sniping as each other, as that isn't very helpful.

If anyone wants to type their reasons why they liked the endings in this thread, they are definitely free to do so. Let's just keep the discussions civil in here, ok? We've been doing really well on this thread, so let's keep it that way! Don't feed the trolls and all that.


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Personal Views/Analyses


Mass Effect 3: My defense of Bioware's ending, as is. Discuss logic, lore,...
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11189024/1

My take on ME3, the ending, etc. - SPOILER WARNING by AtreiyaN7
social.bioware.com/269892/blog/211643/

Why Synthesis was a Good Choice for My Shepherd by ardensia
social.bioware.com/3564527/blog/212369/

Probably the only one here but... I loved the endings. By Dragoonlordz
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9905757

Why I love the ending, why I disagree with (most) plotholes, and why we should have... by firebreather19
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11226595

My new thoughts on ending and symbolism by tenojitsu
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11143176/1

Post by LstOfTheBrunnenG
http://hardforum.com...&postcount=1007

Reasons why the ending is good. by GiarcYekrub
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11267537/1

An explaination of the ending since its not going to change by chammie
http://social.biowar...ndex/11272956/1

The Ending Of MASS EFFECT 3 Is Spectacular by Devin Faraci
http://badassdigest....-is-spectacular

I hated the ending, but I also love it by sp0ck 06
http://social.biowar.../index/10071195

Meaningful Sacrifice, Or How I Learned to Love Clarification
http://social.biowar.../index/11289479

PC Gamer US podcast on the endings
http://www.pcgamer.c...ect-3-spoilers/

My plea to those who still support the ending by AxisEvolve
(Not pro-ending, but has some discussion.)
http://social.biowar...ndex/11277068/1

Mass Effect 3 Endings inspired by Issac Asimov's "Foundation" Series? by SaudadeNovo
http://social.biowar.../index/11119190


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How Endings Make Sense WRT Lore and/or Narrative


The Ending was Foreshadowed but just Delivered really, really badly. By ChildOfEden
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11147817/1

We're not supposed to know how certain actions play out. By Hudathan
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9868168

Very Long Analysis of ME3 Ending, aka why the ending is great (spoilers) by Skyfyre
www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.361199-Very-Long-Analysis-of-ME3-Ending-aka-why-the-ending-is-great-spoilers

Kishotenketsu—why I liked the Mass Effect 3 endings. by fle6isnow
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10603297/1

The Crucible and the destruction of the relays makes narrative sense by My Chemical Bromance
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11216760

Why the mass relays had to be destroyed by Isichar
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11129694

Why the Relays Had to Go (long) by Evil Minion
http://social.biowar.../index/11175025

Stargazer Theory aka BW's Narrative Technique in DA2/ME3 by GuyIncognito
http://social.biowar...index/11189046/

Dr. Solus Love: or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the End. by inko1nsiderate
http://social.biowar.../index/10270489

Do Geth Dream of Electric Shepards? by Jordan Groves
http://www.ogeeku.co...ctric-shepards/

What is Deus ex Machina you ask ... and how is it bad writing? by Excl
(Not a "pro-ending" thread, but Geneaux486 has posts in here explaining why he does not see the Catalyst as Deus Ex Machina)
http://social.biowar.../index/11290368

*SPOILER* The ending being good or not... by ABjerre
(Someone who agree with the Reapers? Le gasp, he's indoctrinated! =p)
http://social.biowar.../index/11281991


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Explaining "Plot Holes", Logic, etc.


Why the Catalyst's Logic is Right...by JShepppp
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10761785/1

For those confused about the Catalyst's logic
by terdferguson123
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10569003/1

TIM being on the Citadel during the ending shouldn't be a plot hole? By Hudathan
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10594940

Things people forget that they call "plot holes"
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11142960

I'm afraid we need to use... Math (Weekes is right). By MyChemicalBromance
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11158454/1

Galaxy map, FTL and the problem of getting the stranded fleets home. by a.m.p.
(Not pro-ending, but reiterates and expounds upon the same points as MyChemicalBromance's thread above.)
http://social.biowar...ndex/10943661/1

Why the Mass Relays' Explosion Did NOT Destroy the Galaxy by HBC Dresden
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11157441


De-Bunking Mass Relays Destroying Everything by Dobiog101
(With pictures!)
http://social.biowar.../index/11300813

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Q&A or FAQ format threads


People who like the ending: Why is it good? By chester013
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11199425/1

For those who liked the ending --please help by sH0tgUn jUliA
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10849637/1


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If you have a link you want to include in the OP, or any suggestions about how to categorize or organize the links, please let me know!

(Edit: artistic integrity! I kept the links the same, but clarified and provided closure. And more colors too! Lol. Also Bioware forums, YU NO POST PROPERLY?!? It keeps taking out my pretty colors. D=)

And just for lulz...

If you are a BSN poster and have input for the OP – we respect your opinion and want to hear it. We’re committed to address your constructive feedback as best we can. In return, I’d ask  that you help us do that by supporting what I truly believe is the best thread fle6isnow has yet crafted. I urge you to do your own research: read the links, finish it and tell us what you think. Tell your friends if you feel it’s a good thread as a whole. Trust that we are doing our damndest, as always, to address your feedback. As artists, we care about our fans deeply and we appreciate your support.

Thank you for your feedback – we are listening.

I tried to analyze the treads you said to prove there aren't any plotholes and I didn't find anything but speculations for everyone.

First link: Why the Catalyst is right!
Well, the Catalyst's argument is a circulary argument. Calling that a sound argument is laughable. It also does not explain why the Reapers don't just go for the obvious threat (synthetics achieving singularity) and harvest organic civilizations instead, leaving the fate of synthetic civilizations open. What happens to synthetic civilizations? Why are only organic civilizations harvested? Why is their DNA stored in reaper form? How do they nourish a Reaper since they're clearly partially organic ond organics need food/nourishment? Wouldn't it be easier for the Catalyst to create 100% machines that don't need ressources to sustain their tissue unlike hybrids? What happens to the processed civilizations' DNA and why is it preserved? They are wiped out, extinct. What does it matter if their DNA is stored or not? Unless the Reapers believe that some civilization actually will destroy the Reapers some day, break the cycle and decide to open a Jurassic-Park-in-space-zoo with specimens cloned from the stored DNA because hey, it's there and it would definitely be cool. The Catalsyt itself creates almost infinite questions, making the introduction of the Catalyst to the story look like an utterly stupid idea and a cheap, lame attempt to create an ending full of speculations for everyone because Bioware weren't creative enough to create a logical ending.

TIM on the Citadel is not a plothole!
There is only one single entry to the room with the console. TIM was not there when Shepart entered the room. All of a sudden TIM is magically teleported to the room since he just jumps out of nowhere. How can TIM conrol Shepard all of a sudden? TIM has Reaper implants, but that doesn't make him a Reaper himself. How comes there is no other evidence for Cerberus on the Citadel? How could Cerberus gather an army big enough to singlehandedly capture the Citadel? Processing refugees sounds insufficient, since Cerberus clearly used only human refugees and obviously discarded the aliens. I was perfectly fine with fighting the Geth in ME1, since the Reapers didn't invade the Galaxy yet and needed others to prepare their invasion. I was perfectly fine with the Collectors in ME2 since the Reapers were on their way, but not here yet, their vanguard (Sovereign) was destroyed and they needed to gather information about the galaxy or prepare the invasion or whatever (Dark Energy theory made sense, since the collectors were gathering the most promising species of this cycle to create the Reaper that was supposed to help fight the Dark Energy, that would perfectly explain the purpose of the Collectors). However, I am not fine with Cerberus overshadowing the Reapers in ME3 because the Reapers were already here. Cerberus is literally everywhere, just count the times how often you fight Cerberus and how often you get to fight the Reapers, who should pose the biggest threat to the Galaxy. It's more like Cerberus and their Reaper-sidekick are invading the Galaxy.

Why the Mass Relays' Explosion Did NOT Destroy the Galaxy
Oh I see. You dismiss the pro-destruction theory saying it's nothing but assumptions and replace them with your own against-destruction assumptions. Clever. Then you get backed up by Patrick Weekes (BioWare writer) said the relays overloaded instead of rupturing.



You can see the Mass Relays exploding. You can see the Citadel exploding. What is the difference between an explosion caused by violence and an explosion caused by an overload? You can't explain the difference without space magic , can you, Mr. Weekes? Or does that question hurt your artistic integrity because it's not a brownnoser-question? Just grab a nuclear weapon and hit it until it explodes. Then grab another one and overload it so it explodes. Then stand in the ashes of the explosion sites and ask the ghosts of the people you just blew up if there is a difference. "The silence is your answer."


I was really curious and looking forward to what you guys found here, since I really want the terrible ending to make sense. Maybe you found something that I missed and I sincerely hoped to find something of interest, here.  Instead, I found threads full of speculations for everyone where some peoples' speculations are supposed to prove the other peoples' speculations to be wrong. This is kinda ridiculous and we would certainly not be standing here debating, alienated and divided,  if we had a proper ending, that didn't say  "Fudge you!"  to narrative cohesion and the very principles of this franchise while fixing plotholes with .

Nothing but assumptions and attempts to defend because everyone is desperately grasping for emergency induction ports, here. To quote my favorite character from the series: "Don't ****** in my ear and tell me it's raining!"
The only good thing about ME3 was Javik.

Edited for including the youtube link.

Modifié par slimshedim, 12 avril 2012 - 12:57 .

[webhead921]

I don't think anyone's "desperately grasping for emergency induction ports," it's just a thread that compiles the better pro-ending arguments. I know that a lot of the retakers have links to videos or threads that sum up why they don't like the endings, so why can't pro-enders have a thread that sums up why they like the way the trilogy ended?

[Menalaos1971]

[UnstableMongoose]

Menalaos1971 wrote...

Thank you, sir, for your reasoned analysis. Truly, you are a scion of scholarship and deep thought.

[PsyrenY]

webhead921 wrote...

I don't think anyone's "desperately grasping for emergency induction ports," it's just a thread that compiles the better pro-ending arguments. I know that a lot of the retakers have links to videos or threads that sum up why they don't like the endings, so why can't pro-enders have a thread that sums up why they like the way the trilogy ended?

Because misery loves company, apparently.

[sp0ck 06]

Posted this in another thread, but it was quickly gone. Just a few more thoughts on the Catalysts' motivations and nature:

The Catalyst is the caretaker of a system of galactic control. It sees itself and the Reapers as imposing "order on the chaos of organic evolution."

I don't think the Catalysts' motivation is born out of some desire to preserve life, but to preserve that system of order. Its logic seems flawed because it IS flawed. Remember the Architect from the Matrix films? His mind was one of mathematical perfection, yet he was unable to comprehend the unpredictable, chaotic nature of human thought.

The Catalyst is a similar figure. At some point, it or whoever created it came to the conclusion that left unchecked, organics either create synthetics that surpassed themselves or create synthetics that surpassed the Catalyst intelligence. Thus its purpose is twofold: maintain a cycle of Reaping to preserve the system of order, and prevent organics from being in a position to progress unchecked. It needs to follow its "core" programming (concluding that the cycle must go on) and ensure it is able to affect that programming (making sure organics do not wind up in a position where they might actually defeat the Reapers). In a roundabout way, it needs to value self preservation.

Otherwise, why not simply destroy all organic life and leave it at that? Because the Catalyst is trying to keep an equation balanced. It has some understanding that the nature of the universe requires balance. It also might believe that it is impossible to completely eradicate all organics. As the Stargazer says, there are billions of stars with billions of worlds. Evolution will drive the advancement of new organics. So the Catalyst created the Mass Relays to make the cycle "easier." More ordered.

When Shepard shows up, however, it realizes the cycle has been broken. The nature of the universe demands change. No cycle lasts forever. Shepard is the literal representation of chaos. The Catalyst, for all its intelligence, cannot make the final choice.

To me, this is really the theme of the series. Logical, "synthetic" order vs. unpredictable "organic" chaos. This dichotomy is clearly expressed in the conversations with Sovereign in ME1, the choice with the Collector Base in ME2, talking to the Destroyer on Rannoch in ME3, and most prominently in the final conversation with TIM and Andersen at the end.

[Hudathan]

slimshedim wrote...

Nothing but assumptions and attempts to defend because everyone is desperately grasping for emergency induction ports, here. To quote my favorite character from the series: "Don't ****** in my ear and tell me it's raining!"
The only good thing about ME3 was Javik.

It's clear that you never bothered reading all the threads or even finished the ones you think you're refuting. It's also clear that you're set on disliking everything about the game. You have nothing new to contribute to the discussion other than covering your ears and going 'NUH UH' so I guess we're done here.

Modifié par Hudathan, 12 avril 2012 - 06:45 .

[RollaWarden]

My criticism of the ending has been based entirely on literary critical analysis. Many blogs and several posters have detailed the numerous and egregious violations to storytelling re: ME3's ending, so I won't belabor what's already a well-heeled argument. I have, though, now read almost all of the "pro-ender" (that term doesn't seem accurate) arguments in this compendium, and have come away at the very least more knowledgeable about myriad other ways to view the ending. I'm unlikely to have changed my opinion regarding the literary violations of ME3's endings, but I believe this thread provides us all with a more complete picture. The debates herein have been among the best this last month on BSN.

Well done, all. Loud applause--

[fle6isnow]

slimshedim wrote...

I was really curious and looking forward to what you guys found here, since I really want the terrible ending to make sense. Maybe you found something that I missed and I sincerely hoped to find something of interest, here.  Instead, I found threads full of speculations for everyone where some peoples' speculations are supposed to prove the other peoples' speculations to be wrong. This is kinda ridiculous and we would certainly not be standing here debating, alienated and divided,  if we had a proper ending, that didn't say  "Fudge you!"  to narrative cohesion and the very principles of this franchise while fixing plotholes with .

Nothing but assumptions and attempts to defend because everyone is desperately grasping for emergency induction ports, here. To quote my favorite character from the series: "Don't ****** in my ear and tell me it's raining!"
The only good thing about ME3 was Javik.

Edited for including the youtube link.

Ultimately, this thread isn't meant to prove anyone right or wrong, or to convince anyone to like the endings or not. You can read every post here, disagree with the interpretations, and come out still hating the ending anyway, just as I can read through the posts nitpicking the "plot holes" and find reasonable explanations as to why that happened and still like the ending anyway. This thread is just meant to be a link-dump of the pro-ending views out there so that they don't get drowned in the sea of hate.

I should add this part to the first post.... later. I had an attack of teh lazies and I have delicious tamagoyaki to eat. =p

Modifié par fle6isnow, 12 avril 2012 - 06:56 .

[UnstableMongoose]

RollaWarden wrote...

My criticism of the ending has been based entirely on literary critical analysis. Many blogs and several posters have detailed the numerous and egregious violations to storytelling re: ME3's ending, so I won't belabor what's already a well-heeled argument. I have, though, now read almost all of the "pro-ender" (that term doesn't seem accurate) arguments in this compendium, and have come away at the very least more knowledgeable about myriad other ways to view the ending. I'm unlikely to have changed my opinion regarding the literary violations of ME3's endings, but I believe this thread provides us all with a more complete picture. The debates herein have been among the best this last month on BSN.

Well done, all. Loud applause--

Hear, hear. I don't think I've heard your analysis yet, I may have been out of town when it was big on the boards. Would you care to provide me a link to the topic?

[slimshedim]

Hudathan wrote...

slimshedim wrote...

Nothing but assumptions and attempts to defend because everyone is desperately grasping for emergency induction ports, here. To quote my favorite character from the series: "Don't ****** in my ear and tell me it's raining!"
The only good thing about ME3 was Javik.

It's clear that you never bothered reading all the threads or even finished the ones you think you're refuting. It's also clear that you're set on disliking everything about the game. You have nothing new to contribute to the discussion other than covering your ears and going 'NUH UH' so I guess we're done here.

Did you draw that yourself?

[bboynexus]

So, slimshedim, the Genophage Arc wasn't a good thing about ME3?

[Twisted and Mean]

 I love seeing a thread filled with people who actually like the game's ending. It's time to drown the weak complaints of this vocal minority of ending-haters with our loud "Yay! Mass Effect 3 endings are the best endings in the whole video game industry!"

Modifié par Twisted and Mean, 12 avril 2012 - 07:02 .

[Hudathan]

slimshedim wrote...

Did you draw that yourself?

Unfortunately I have no art skills whatsoever.

[fle6isnow]

Twisted and Mean wrote...

 I love seeing a thread filled with people who actually like the game's ending. It's time to drown the weak complaints of this vocal minority of ending-haters with our loud "Yay! Mass Effect 3 endings are the best endings in the whole video game industry!"

Guys, guys, let's be nice in here! Did you not read what I said a couple of posts above?

I don't want to drown the other side out. But I don't want the "pro-ending" side to be drowned out either. That is all.

Now back to this thread being all sunshine and ponies...

[Hudathan]

Time article on the ending and the extended cut.

http://techland.time...3-ending-alone/

How awesome is Mass Effect 3? You have no idea.

http://social.biowar.../index/11333873

Game Critics podcast, even handed critique of endings as imperfect but not as bad as people claim.

www.gamecritics.com/dylan-collins/gamecritics-com-podcast-episode-71-mass-effect-3-sequels

Likewise with the Game Informer Show.

http://www.gameinfor...w-round-up.aspx

Modifié par Hudathan, 12 avril 2012 - 09:44 .

[MarkLentz1]

OP, thank you so so much for making this thread!

[fle6isnow]

Hudathan wrote...

Time article on the ending and the extended cut.

http://techland.time...3-ending-alone/

How awesome is Mass Effect 3? You have no idea.

http://social.biowar.../index/11333873

Game Critics podcast, even handed critique of endings as imperfect but not as bad as people claim.

www.gamecritics.com/dylan-collins/gamecritics-com-podcast-episode-71-mass-effect-3-sequels

Likewise with the Game Informer Show.

http://www.gameinfor...w-round-up.aspx

I lol'ed at the Bruce Lee one. Thanks for the links--shall add them later.

[Hudathan]

Plugging holes, or "How I learned to stop blaming the writers when I forget details."

http://social.biowar.../index/11337046

Ars Technica: Did Bioware actually lie about the ending to Mass Effect 3?

http://arstechnica.c...ss-effect-3.ars

Modifié par Hudathan, 13 avril 2012 - 04:46 .

[fle6isnow]

Updated, with more pretty colors! I added a separate category for podcasts and articles from journalists.

[earlmobile]

Awesome thread, thanks OP

[sp0ck 06]

Bump to get something remotely positive on the first page.

I get the sense that most people who didn't like the ending have given up hope of even trying to like or appreciate it and are now just waiting to pounce on bioware whatever they do.

Playing through the Cerberus Base again last night, I was struck by how much foreshadowing there is for the ending.

TIM: "It's not that simple" (talking about using the Crucible)
Shep: "It IS that simple!"

...did you really expect it to be that simple? Through three games, nothing has been.

Kai Leng "Evolve or die, that's the only plan"
TIM "I believe destroying the Reapers would be the worst possible decision"

These endings did not just pop out of nowhere. The entire Cerberus arc from the collector base to TIM's HQ is basically an argument for Control.

Anyway, I just think if people got away from the rampant raging on the forums (a lot of it admittedly justified) and just tried to come to terms with the ending, it would bring some needed satisfaction into the community.