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[balance5050]

Evo_9 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Evo_9 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Under bridge dwellers frequently quote images and huge pyramids.

Anyway, on topic, did anyone explain the dead plants that suddenly appear after Shepard gets up off the floor, they were not there before harby's beam struck.

They were always there . (shrubs/trees/river)

I played the ending again and had a good look around before i got hit with the beam

Play it again, you will see im right. 

There are trees already there, but after "the moment" if you look around you see that there are A LOT of things that weren't there before, including a tree or two.

So if the trees/shrubs were already there...why are we talking about it? 

Wouldnt the human shadows appear as well if they intended a dream? why leave this major part out if they intended the indoctrination theory dreams.

I don't know, DJBare brought it up. there are a lot of weird Ashley textures in that scene though, and it's SUPER blurry.

[DJBare]

Evo_9 wrote...
They were always there . (shrubs/trees/river)
I played the ending again and had a good look around before i got hit with the beam
Play it again, you will see im right. 

You have comparison shots, I am unable to bring myself to continue another play through, I try but end up closing the game down after about 5 minutes saying "What's the point"

[snfonseka]

Hopefully the "Extended Cut" will solve these questions/ issues.... or create more questions/ issues.

[balance5050]

snfonseka wrote...

Hopefully the "Extended Cut" will solve these questions/ issues.... or create more questions/ issues.

Hopefully it will create more...

[DJBare]

majinbuu1307 wrote...
What you are doing is the equvalent of someone claiming doomsday is coming because they saw signs.

Incorrect, I'm pointing out inconsistancy, I don't go for the "signs" thing, I leave that to dreamers.

[Etereoooo]

Ha alao had tine to change his armor. And learn how to breath on space

[Evo_9]

DJBare wrote...

Evo_9 wrote...
They were always there . (shrubs/trees/river)
I played the ending again and had a good look around before i got hit with the beam
Play it again, you will see im right. 

You have comparison shots, I am unable to bring myself to continue another play through, I try but end up closing the game down after about 5 minutes saying "What's the point"

Im pretty sure if you load your last ME3 save it will take you right before you hit the beam. They did this incase you want to change your final decision.

I dont have any screens and i doubt you will find them on youtube because you have to actually turn around and walk around, you will see all the trees/shrubs/water your heart desires.

Modifié par Evo_9, 11 avril 2012 - 07:04 .

[balance5050]

DJBare wrote...

Evo_9 wrote...
They were always there . (shrubs/trees/river)
I played the ending again and had a good look around before i got hit with the beam
Play it again, you will see im right. 

You have comparison shots, I am unable to bring myself to continue another play through, I try but end up closing the game down after about 5 minutes saying "What's the point"

You should have an autosave for the ending if you got there.

[Iconoclaste]

Another thing bugs me.

The Crucible docks with the central part of the "ring" where the Council tower rises, in the same direction the arms point when closed. Well, that's what I thought, because they needed Shepard to "open" the arms in order to let the Crucible "in". But if you watch the "docking" animation, the Crucible actually docks from the other side of the Cidadel, its back to the Earth. ??

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 11 avril 2012 - 07:07 .

[SnakesSon]

Nobody actually paid attention to me asking about the Illusive Man. Like why he's suddenly full blown huskified technozombie, or how an indoctrinated person can suddenly directly control the movements of two veteran soldiers. We've seen Shepard frozen in place once. That was from Benezia, using her biotics. Not indoctrination. I would really love to hear an explanation for how the Illusive Man suddenly gained these amazing abilities.

[LKx]

majinbuu1307 wrote...

  We don't see sky, or anything like that. I believe its the rubble from explosion he made when he shot up the...whatever the hell he was shooting at. Addition information-If you look at the picture at the bottom of this post, you will see the same cable from the citadel near shepard when he takes a breath.

One of the bioware employees(forget which someone help with this?) stated that we don't actually see the citadel fully explode and to expect most of the people(main characters) on it to have survived. We do however see it come apart. But that thing is HUGE and probably capable of sustaining people even in seperate peices for a while.

That being said- Indoctrination theory is already out of the window, so this is the best explanation and better than he survived reentry and hitting the ground which im sure they know is rediculous. Shepard is still on the citadel, heres to hoping the Extended Cut DLC shows and explains this(Jessica also says meeting up with our LI is a possibility) so only in destroy ending.


P.S. I need some proof that EDI has been shown to be alive in some destroy endings. Videos please? This gives me hope that the Geth are alive somehow since Shepard has synthetic parts in him and he is alive, so the Catalyst could have been wrong on the effects on the Geth somehow. Destroy ending would be the perfect ending then. That and all those dead reapers probably contain tech that could lead to new relays if everyone worked together. Cheers.


To sum up,
FACT-Shepard IS alive. File on PC vesion says Shepalive.avi or something like that.
FACT-They are sticking with their current ending, meaning Indoctrination is WRONG, he did actually get to the Citadel. Let go of them Emergency Induction Ports
FACT-Employees have even said that Shepard could possibly meet up with LI and CREW. Kinda hard if you INCINERATED on the way back to earth on reentry and countless miles of falling and thuding on the ground. 




Furthermore, I'm repeating myself, but it must be made clear...in order for SHEPARD TO BE IN LONDON ONE OF THE TWO REDICULOUS THINGS HAVE TO BE TRUE.

1-Shepard was indoctrinated. Incomplete game, reapers still around. No.
2-shepard flew off the citadel survived being incinerated and the 200 or so miles to the ground.

OR. he survived ONE explosion, got thrown back, and had rubble including a cable from that hall with the bodies in it fall around him.

Hmm... logic...

If you're right and the IT is proved incorrect (like unfortunatelly it probably is, it was a long shot), Mass Effect is doomed to become the "Lost" of videogames.

[DJBare]

SnakesSon wrote...

Nobody actually paid attention to me asking about the Illusive Man. Like why he's suddenly full blown huskified technozombie, or how an indoctrinated person can suddenly directly control the movements of two veteran soldiers. We've seen Shepard frozen in place once. That was from Benezia, using her biotics. Not indoctrination. I would really love to hear an explanation for how the Illusive Man suddenly gained these amazing abilities.

While I agree because the delivery of the story is weak, remember who controlled TIM?

[majinbuu1307]

SnakesSon wrote...

Nobody actually paid attention to me asking about the Illusive Man. Like why he's suddenly full blown huskified technozombie, or how an indoctrinated person can suddenly directly control the movements of two veteran soldiers. We've seen Shepard frozen in place once. That was from Benezia, using her biotics. Not indoctrination. I would really love to hear an explanation for how the Illusive Man suddenly gained these amazing abilities.

Theres videos when you are on the Ceberus Chronos station showing him making the transformation, or starting to. That was the result of his experimentation on himself.

[DJBare]

majinbuu1307 wrote...Theres videos when you are on the Ceberus Chronos station showing him making the transformation, or starting to. That was the result of his experimentation on himself.

Accept that it was not TIM in control, he only believes he is.

[SnakesSon]

majinbuu1307 wrote...

SnakesSon wrote...

Nobody actually paid attention to me asking about the Illusive Man. Like why he's suddenly full blown huskified technozombie, or how an indoctrinated person can suddenly directly control the movements of two veteran soldiers. We've seen Shepard frozen in place once. That was from Benezia, using her biotics. Not indoctrination. I would really love to hear an explanation for how the Illusive Man suddenly gained these amazing abilities.

Theres videos when you are on the Ceberus Chronos station showing him making the transformation, or starting to. That was the result of his experimentation on himself.

Damn, you're right. I remember a friend of mine told me that. I apologize; you're correct.

But my other points still stand. I honestly don't understand how in the hell he can directly control two people. Never before have we seen that. Saren was undoubtedly being influenced by the Reapers, and yet he never had power like that(remember that the scene with TIM is obviously a play on Saren and Shepard's talks).

Edit: Keep in mind that the theory is just a theory. It's just that it has much more convincing evidence than what OP gave in this thread. One rod kind of looks like the Citadel. Watch that ENTIRE 23 MINUTE LONG VIDEO with all the evidence.

However, I will say that it's entirely possible Bioware doesn't care and are terrible writers. But I don't buy that they wrote ME3(in my opinion) extremely well, and then suddenly filled their game with nonsensical plotholes. Or I don't want to buy it. Or I'm indoctrinated.

Listen to myself; I'm indoctrinated!

Modifié par SnakesSon, 11 avril 2012 - 07:19 .

[LKx]

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

I'd accept that over indoctrination still makes more sense to me than that. But i'm pretty sure the ending was intentional they wouldn't be claiming artistic integrity and saying how they refuse to change the ending if it was all meant to have a dream. 

I'll go with whatever at this point to me i'm more pissed about PAX now than I ever was about the ending. 

On the other side, if it was actually all a ruse, they would cover it as long as they can until they are ready to reveal the truth!

[majinbuu1307]

DJBare wrote...

majinbuu1307 wrote...Theres videos when you are on the Ceberus Chronos station showing him making the transformation, or starting to. That was the result of his experimentation on himself.

Accept that it was not TIM in control, he only believes he is.

Correct. TIM having powers, but really only a pawn.

[majinbuu1307]

Going to bed for the night,I EXPECT LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE!

night:P

[RoyalGambit]

Suspect this has benn mentioned, but it deserves to mentioned again regardless. Shep would also have to survive the crucible blowing up, which seems rather unlikely. Obviously, if IT isn't true, I guess Shep is superman and just survives that sort of thing. Maybe it will be clearer when we see the extended cut.

[Iconoclaste]

Here's a view of the Citadel, where we can see the arms and the Tower pointing in the same direction :



The Crucible arrives, just after Shepard "opens" the arms to allow passage. Notice the Earth in background, with an angle :



Now, the Crucible is making its way towards its docking point, which would be... the Tower? It wouldn't work! And now, the Crucible has Earth behind it :



The Crucible just about to dock, from the other side, where there is no need to open any arms, and we see the Tower pointing the other way :

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 11 avril 2012 - 07:29 .

[majinbuu1307]

SnakesSon wrote...

majinbuu1307 wrote...

SnakesSon wrote...

Nobody actually paid attention to me asking about the Illusive Man. Like why he's suddenly full blown huskified technozombie, or how an indoctrinated person can suddenly directly control the movements of two veteran soldiers. We've seen Shepard frozen in place once. That was from Benezia, using her biotics. Not indoctrination. I would really love to hear an explanation for how the Illusive Man suddenly gained these amazing abilities.

Theres videos when you are on the Ceberus Chronos station showing him making the transformation, or starting to. That was the result of his experimentation on himself.

Damn, you're right. I remember a friend of mine told me that. I apologize; you're correct.

But my other points still stand. I honestly don't understand how in the hell he can directly control two people. Never before have we seen that. Saren was undoubtedly being influenced by the Reapers, and yet he never had power like that(remember that the scene with TIM is obviously a play on Saren and Shepard's talks).

Edit: Keep in mind that the theory is just a theory. It's just that it has much more convincing evidence than what OP gave in this thread. One rod kind of looks like the Citadel. Watch that ENTIRE 23 MINUTE LONG VIDEO with all the evidence.

However, I will say that it's entirely possible Bioware doesn't care and are terrible writers. But I don't buy that they wrote ME3(in my opinion) extremely well, and then suddenly filled their game with nonsensical plotholes. Or I don't want to buy it. Or I'm indoctrinated.

Listen to myself; I'm indoctrinated!

All these clues though, 95 percent of them are wayyy to subtle for most of the gamers to catch on, or even believe in, out of context and coincidences. I could easily(well not easily) write a book, and mean one thing, but have my fans speculate the meaning and have a completely different mindset to what i had intended. Mass effect is a huge story, lots of room for, well, speculation.

[ZajoE38]

If nothing other, the ambient sound of that scene is the biggest proof. Play it on headphones with enough volume. That sound is 100% distinctive.

[ZajoE38]

Iconoclaste wrote...

Here's a view of the Citadel, where we can see the arms and the Tower pointing in the same direction :



The Crucible arrives, just after Shepard "opens" the arms to allow passage. Notice the Earth in background, with an angle :



Now, the Crucible is making its way towards its docking point, which would be... the Tower? It wouldn't work! And now, the Crucible has Earth behind it :



The Crucible just about to dock, from the other side, where there is no need to open any arms, and we see the Tower pointing the other way (actually, the images are all cropped on the forum, sorry) :

I wondered too... But I am not as hasty as you.. I noticed it is correct. Take a good long look at it, it is correct. 2nd pictiure is still the presidium side of the Citadel.

Modifié par ZajoE38, 11 avril 2012 - 07:28 .

[majinbuu1307]

Iconoclaste wrote...

Here's a view of the Citadel, where we can see the arms and the Tower pointing in the same direction :



The Crucible arrives, just after Shepard "opens" the arms to allow passage. Notice the Earth in background, with an angle :



Now, the Crucible is making its way towards its docking point, which would be... the Tower? It wouldn't work! And now, the Crucible has Earth behind it :



The Crucible just about to dock, from the other side, where there is no need to open any arms, and we see the Tower pointing the other way :

I think i solved your problem, the arms opening, part of the start of the arms starts before the ring where the presidium and everything is, then goes past it reaching out. Or im thinking wrong. Gah its 2:27 am. brain fried.

[B3ckett]

If BW is going through with the Catalyst ending, this is in no way London's rubble. Can't seem to imagine how would you be able to identify rubbles origin but looking at it for a few secs? ;-)

But, if BW is sticking to their ending, this rubble is still on the Citadel. I wouldn't bug myself with concrete on the Citadel, because we've seen bigger plot holes in the past few weeks. they can just say the materials from which THIS part of Citadel was made of, look very concrete-alike.

So, the most plausible theory is the stuff Shepard shot at in the ending. The explosion clearly envelops him sending tons of debris his way. It would "make sense", if that phrase even fits the ending...