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[Iconoclaste]

I edited the last image to see the Presidium :

[sdfgdsfsdfsfs]

The only logical way that Shepard could survive the destruction ending is if he was never on the citadel, period. No other explanation is believable.

However, if the endings are to be taken literally, then they are already illogical, so logical restrictions need not apply.

Modifié par sdfgdsfsdfsfs, 11 avril 2012 - 07:32 .

[Mr. Gogeta34]

At face value, none of the endings make sense.

[Iconoclaste]

ZajoE38 wrote...

I wondered too... But I am not as hasty as you.. I noticed it is correct. Take a good long look at it, it is correct. 2nd pictiure is still the presidium side of the Citadel.

On 4th picture, the Crucible is on the backside of the Citadel. This part is accessible without requiring the arms to open. And the Crucible could not dock from the other side, since there's the presidium tower right in the middle.

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 11 avril 2012 - 07:38 .

[B3ckett]

sdfgdsfsdfsfs wrote...

The only logical way that Shepard could survive the destruction ending is if he was never on the citadel, period. No other explanation is believable.

However, if the endings are to be taken literally, then they are already illogical, so logical restrictions need not apply.

ME3 said goodbye to logic just prior the ending...

[Iconoclaste]

My guess is they had many models of the Citadel, some for rendering purposes, some for animating the arms, and some for close-ups on specific parts. There may have been confusion, but they clearly put the crucible on the wrong side at the end.

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 11 avril 2012 - 07:41 .

[Shared]

No matter what. The part Shepard was in blew upp twice (the citadel tower thing). And even if thats where he is now, it blew apart, and there would be no Mass effect fields there, meaning no gravity. Since there is clearly gravity where shepard is buried in rubble it has to mean he is on earth.

[Korubrus]

Shallyah wrote...

Why are people trying to find logical explanation to why Shepard lives after they've been travelling with blue aliens that can have babies only thinking of it? It doesn't have to make sense, it's Sci-Fi. Could have three dozens of explanations as to why Shepard survived the bleeding. Afterall, he had just survived a direct Reaper Beam impact which we saw tearing cruisers appart.

It's true Shepard might be in the Citadel, I read twits from Bioware staff members saying that even a fraction of the Citadel could probably maintain Life Support systems and own atmosphere, though we'll have to wait for Extended DLC to really know.

The reason for all the speculation is we know how in Mass Effect the asari mate using their minds. Its in the codex.

Everything of importance is explained in the codex... Except space magic that occurs at the last 5 minuits of the game.
If they had a codex entry that came up with some technological bable explaining the inconsistancies you would probably find everyone would be ok with a lot of it.

All successful Sci-Fi games/movies/shows all have one thing in common: They make their own rules/facts and stick with them. When they fall outside their facts it is always explained why it is an exception on that occasion.

Mass Effect did this briliantly with a greatly indepth codex system - and even getting it narrated in ME3! But they made a critical mistake in the last 5 minuits, they went WELL AND TRULY outside the realms of what should be possible in what we know about the Mass Effect universe - and never even attempted to explain it, massive mistake for Sci-Fi based game!

[Zeratul12]

This could still tie into the indoctrination ending.....

[An English Gamer]

I doubt he's in worse shape than after the Collector attack. From the sound of the audio-logs in the base it sounded like he was only being held together by his armour at the start of ME2. I imagine the Alliance could bring him back. Especially if Miranda is alive.

[Hawk227]

tilusN7 wrote...

 You can see the exact same cables people are using as 'evidence' on the geth dreadnought. I'm not for or against IT, but using that as evidence that he is still on the citadel or not is moot. It could be any old power cable that the entire galaxy may use. It's all speculation.

In regards to the citadel falling onto Earth. If you understand anything about orbits, you know that the citadel was probably in geostationary orbit right above London, in much the same way we have geostationary weather satellites now. Just because things get blown off the citadel in the endings doesn't mean they just drop to Earth <_<

Not only do you see them on the Geth dreadnought, Legion is actually hooked up to a bunch of them when you find him. You also find them littered around the rachni queen. In at least two instances those cables are directly associated with reaper control (or perhaps indoctrination). And in the breath scene, one is very close to or may be coming out of shepard. That cable supports IT as well as (more than?) it supports the OP's claim you wake up on the citadel.

[NoSpin]

balance5050 wrote...

 

That is an amazing picture. Blue hue, concrete slabs, rebar sticking out.

[Capeo]

I always assumed it was on the Citadel because earth concrete has to have rebar in it. You can't pour slabs without it. The rubble in the Shep lives scene has none and there's also a piece where you can see a lined pattern reminiscent of the citadel. Also I'd assume the Citadel is made of the same material as the relays and they shatter like stone rather than bend like metal.

One question, I'm looking at one of the picks above. The Crucible is sticking out of the back of the Citadel. Am I just remembering wrong? I though the Crucible docking scene showed it coming in through the arms of the Citadel.

[Capeo]

Hawk227 wrote...

tilusN7 wrote...

 You can see the exact same cables people are using as 'evidence' on the geth dreadnought. I'm not for or against IT, but using that as evidence that he is still on the citadel or not is moot. It could be any old power cable that the entire galaxy may use. It's all speculation.

In regards to the citadel falling onto Earth. If you understand anything about orbits, you know that the citadel was probably in geostationary orbit right above London, in much the same way we have geostationary weather satellites now. Just because things get blown off the citadel in the endings doesn't mean they just drop to Earth <_<

Not only do you see them on the Geth dreadnought, Legion is actually hooked up to a bunch of them when you find him. You also find them littered around the rachni queen. In at least two instances those cables are directly associated with reaper control (or perhaps indoctrination). And in the breath scene, one is very close to or may be coming out of shepard. That cable supports IT as well as (more than?) it supports the OP's claim you wake up on the citadel.

LOL.  Dude, the exact same cables are everywhere in the ME universe.  Including the Normandy.  It's just a reused asset.  It supports no contention.  

[Walsh1980]

It's probably just a case of one art team not paying attention what another is doing. "Hey we need an FMV of Shepard alive taking a breath in some rubble." "OK" *uses rubble looking rubble*. "No wait, it needs to look like the citadel... eh just ship it".

Nitpicky art things aren't enough to base theories on, most likely they just didn't care to pay attention to continuity. I wish I were wrong, but that's my guess.

[Capeo]

SnakesSon wrote...

Nobody actually paid attention to me asking about the Illusive Man. Like why he's suddenly full blown huskified technozombie, or how an indoctrinated person can suddenly directly control the movements of two veteran soldiers. We've seen Shepard frozen in place once. That was from Benezia, using her biotics. Not indoctrination. I would really love to hear an explanation for how the Illusive Man suddenly gained these amazing abilities.

Uh, Reaper implants?  Did you not watch the videos on Sanctuary.  He has himself implanted with super-duper biotic implants based on Reaper tech.  He does use biotics to hold Shep and Anderson in place.  Note the biotic blue light that comes from his fist when he does it.

[onchristieroad]

Yes, TIM seems to become like Grayson in the books: not huskiefied, nor purely indoctrinated, but a mixture of both stemming from directly implanting reaper tech in the body.

[majinbuu1307]

Walsh1980 wrote...

It's probably just a case of one art team not paying attention what another is doing. "Hey we need an FMV of Shepard alive taking a breath in some rubble." "OK" *uses rubble looking rubble*. "No wait, it needs to look like the citadel... eh just ship it".

Nitpicky art things aren't enough to base theories on, most likely they just didn't care to pay attention to continuity. I wish I were wrong, but that's my guess.

This most likely

[majinbuu1307]

bump for science.

[majinbuu1307]

bump

[maxloef]

NoSpin wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

 

That is an amazing picture. Blue hue, concrete slabs, rebar sticking out.

qft

[Evo_9]

ITS NOT REBAR lol they look nothing alike!

Here is confirmation, hopefully you guys can let this stupid indoctrination theory die. Shep was on the citadel!! end of story!

[majinbuu1307]

Evo_9 wrote...

ITS NOT REBAR lol they look nothing alike!

Here is confirmation, hopefully you guys can let this stupid indoctrination theory die. Shep was on the citadel!! end of story!

YES. I win.

[GBGriffin]

majinbuu1307 wrote...

Evo_9 wrote...

ITS NOT REBAR lol they look nothing alike!

Here is confirmation, hopefully you guys can let this stupid indoctrination theory die. Shep was on the citadel!! end of story!

YES. I win.

Batten down the hatches; believers are coming your way!

[Quietness]

majinbuu1307 wrote...

Evo_9 wrote...

ITS NOT REBAR lol they look nothing alike!

Here is confirmation, hopefully you guys can let this stupid indoctrination theory die. Shep was on the citadel!! end of story!

YES. I win.

No you dont, she's only speculating.