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[zambingo]

Shep being on the Cit doesn't mean Indoctrination hallucinations weren't happening.

[majinbuu1307]

zambingo wrote...

Shep being on the Cit doesn't mean Indoctrination hallucinations weren't happening.

Actually... The whole argument people are making, is that he gets knocked out by harby's beam, and the rest never happened but in his head. It's over. justttttt give upppp

[majinbuu1307]

Quietness wrote...

majinbuu1307 wrote...

Evo_9 wrote...

ITS NOT REBAR lol they look nothing alike!

Here is confirmation, hopefully you guys can let this stupid indoctrination theory die. Shep was on the citadel!! end of story!

YES. I win.

No you dont, she's only speculating.

Considering I think she has way more inside information than us. I think she knows. And she flat out just said it. Tough cookies.

[Marta Rio II]

Wow, the true believers just won't let it go...or at least won't entertain the idea of something else.

Near-death Shep lying in amidst rubble on the Citadel (which has possibly broken apart as we see in the cutscene, but has not yet had time to re-enter Earth's atmosphere) seems plausible to me.

I'm kind of liking the latest theories regarding the destroy ending, i.e.:
- If your EMS is high enough, the Catalyst is better at targeting the Reapers (rather than all Reaper-based tech), and thus doesn't kill EDI/the Geth.
- Also: Shep's not dead and is on the heavily damaged, yet sill orbiting citadel.

Not sure if this is what they originally intended (probably not), but I hope this is how they "repair" the destroy ending.  Like the OP said, in that case, it'd actually be a relatively happy, genocide-free (well, except for the Reapers) ending. 

Modifié par Marta Rio II, 12 avril 2012 - 01:34 .

[J-Sheridan]

Jessica Merizan is full of garbage.
So far it seems ready apparant Bioware are throwing **** at a board and trying to see what sticks.
End of story.

Shep's on the Citadel - You mean the one that just blew up idiot ?
Waaah waaaah... the Citadel didnt blow up waaaah

Wrong, a massive explosion is seen coming straight from the dead centre of the Citadel and thats exactly where Shepard is.
Since the Center of the Citadel is larger than a goddamn Reaper and that explosion expands big enough to obscure the entire outer ring... that means that explosion was well into the multi-km.

Somehow Shepard has survied an explosion centred on his location that is bigger than entire cities ?
Utter BS.

Now shall we consider that Shepard is literally standing in a large open space room with an exposed scenic look at Earth. The kind of look that will shatter when big explosion cause major damage to the structure.
I dont know about you but a big cavernous room is not the best place to be in when explosions risk to puncture the thin shell between you and the vacum of space.

Simple fact is Bioware have made an ending that is utterly retarded and the Shepard lives aspect is even more fundamentally retarded... almost as if they intentionally want Shepard dead and added the non-commital clip as a bonus scene that will never be played out.

[zambingo]

majinbuu1307 wrote...

zambingo wrote...

Shep being on the Cit doesn't mean Indoctrination hallucinations weren't happening.

Actually... The whole argument people are making, is that he gets knocked out by harby's beam, and the rest never happened but in his head. It's over. justttttt give upppp

Actually, no. That's one possibility made in the IT. It is not a requirement. I never favored that, it's much more likely that Shep makes it onto the Cit/Cru and then experiences a full on Indoctrination assault. The IT under that possibility does not invalidate any end Bioware has actually established. Player's Sheps, while under this Indoctrination assault, make their final choices which aren't invalidated by this... each choice just might have a slightly richer meaning to them if Bioware so chose to expand. The IT in this vain then offers plausibility to Squadmates on the SR-2 and other oddities due to lingering hallucinations.

Granted that isn't how many tout the IT, but it's always been my preferred angle.

Modifié par zambingo, 12 avril 2012 - 01:41 .

[Catroi]

Coming from the person who said Normandy crashed on Earth then on Mars => don't give a freaking sh*t what she thinks/says

[joiushdfoubsndpovn]

J-Sheridan wrote...

Jessica Merizan is full of garbage.
So far it seems ready apparant Bioware are throwing **** at a board and trying to see what sticks.
End of story.

Shep's on the Citadel - You mean the one that just blew up idiot ?
Waaah waaaah... the Citadel didnt blow up waaaah

Wrong, a massive explosion is seen coming straight from the dead centre of the Citadel and thats exactly where Shepard is.
Since the Center of the Citadel is larger than a goddamn Reaper and that explosion expands big enough to obscure the entire outer ring... that means that explosion was well into the multi-km.

Somehow Shepard has survied an explosion centred on his location that is bigger than entire cities ?
Utter BS.

Now shall we consider that Shepard is literally standing in a large open space room with an exposed scenic look at Earth. The kind of look that will shatter when big explosion cause major damage to the structure.
I dont know about you but a big cavernous room is not the best place to be in when explosions risk to puncture the thin shell between you and the vacum of space.

Simple fact is Bioware have made an ending that is utterly retarded and the Shepard lives aspect is even more fundamentally retarded... almost as if they intentionally want Shepard dead and added the non-commital clip as a bonus scene that will never be played out.

This.  it is quite clear that people on both sides of this argument are picking and choosing where they get their information from, and stick to it, even though it is quite obvious when they are wrong.  Jessica Merizan has been wrong on numerous occasions, and has stated she is speculating on alot of things.  Shep simply cannot be on the citadel for 2 glaring reason, one posted above about the explosion, and there IS NO WAY you could survive that in his state and armor.  The 2nd reason being the simple reason that HE WAS NOT ON THE CITADEL DURING THE EXPLOSION. he was on the catalyst.  So no matter what, Jessica m. is wrong.  if he IS somehow there, after surviving an explosion of that magnitude, he would be on the catalyst, not the Citadel, i don't understand how people can just pick and choose their realities and common sense like this.

[Zix13]

Holy ****. You see the citadel explode in the destroy ending where shep lives. There's no citadel to be buried in rubble on.

[zambingo]

The Cit does break apart in explosions, however the PAX panel already had devs insist that the parts of the Cit have the ability to survive such a catastrophe.

[Malanek]

Might as well copy what I put in another thread in this one as well.

My take on the indoctrination theory is the scene with TIM and Anderson happened anyway. At that stage TIM was starting the indoctrination attempt so Shepards perception was a bit weird but it mostly all happened. When that failed Harbinger took over and the effect was much more powerful giving the whole starchild scene.

Only real issue is the breath scene because that really looks like concrete, but it's a smaller issue than having to resolve TIM issue again, from a story telling perspective I don't think that would be very good to show in a different form.

[majinbuu1307]

Marta Rio II wrote...

Wow, the true believers just won't let it go...or at least won't entertain the idea of something else.

Near-death Shep lying in amidst rubble on the Citadel (which has possibly broken apart as we see in the cutscene, but has not yet had time to re-enter Earth's atmosphere) seems plausible to me.

I'm kind of liking the latest theories regarding the destroy ending, i.e.:
- If your EMS is high enough, the Catalyst is better at targeting the Reapers (rather than all Reaper-based tech), and thus doesn't kill EDI/the Geth.
- Also: Shep's not dead and is on the heavily damaged, yet sill orbiting citadel.

Not sure if this is what they originally intended (probably not), but I hope this is how they "repair" the destroy ending.  Like the OP said, in that case, it'd actually be a relatively happy, genocide-free (well, except for the Reapers) ending. 

thanks:)

[Catroi]

zambingo wrote...

The Cit does break apart in explosions, however the PAX panel already had devs insist that the parts of the Cit have the ability to survive such a catastrophe.

Yeah in the ARMS not in the Presidium
+ Shepard was just in the middle of the explosion he was severly wounded and took the huge blast of the initial explosion, now tell me how he could possibly have found one of the shuttle he actualy never saw in his life

[majinbuu1307]

Zix13 wrote...

Holy ****. You see the citadel explode in the destroy ending where shep lives. There's no citadel to be buried in rubble on.

Wrong. citadel comes apart, still in orbit, does NOT explode.

[majinbuu1307]

[quote]joiushdfoubsndpovn wrote...

[quote]J-Sheridan wrote...

Jessica Merizan is full of garbage.
So far it seems ready apparant Bioware are throwing **** at a board and trying to see what sticks.
End of story.

Shep's on the Citadel - You mean the one that just blew up idiot ?
Waaah waaaah... the Citadel didnt blow up waaaah

Wrong, a massive explosion is seen coming straight from the dead centre of the Citadel and thats exactly where Shepard is.
Since the Center of the Citadel is larger than a goddamn Reaper and that explosion expands big enough to obscure the entire outer ring... that means that explosion was well into the multi-km.

Somehow Shepard has survied an explosion centred on his location that is bigger than entire cities ?
Utter BS.

Now shall we consider that Shepard is literally standing in a large open space room with an exposed scenic look at Earth. The kind of look that will shatter when big explosion cause major damage to the structure.
I dont know about you but a big cavernous room is not the best place to be in when explosions risk to puncture the thin shell between you and the vacum of space.

Simple fact is Bioware have made an ending that is utterly retarded and the Shepard lives aspect is even more fundamentally retarded... almost as if they intentionally want Shepard dead and added the non-commital clip as a bonus scene that will never be played out.[/quote]



Wrong, we see flashes and explosions, but nothing blows to peices, everything is still intact except for the arms that come apart. soo. WRONG. Shepard could very well still be inside a structure that did NOT blow to peices. And the area he is standing in, its not protected be GLASS. Obviously whatever the barrier is it could still be intact after an explosion, who is to say it isnt?

Modifié par majinbuu1307, 12 avril 2012 - 01:50 .

[zambingo]

Catroi wrote...

zambingo wrote...

The Cit does break apart in explosions, however the PAX panel already had devs insist that the parts of the Cit have the ability to survive such a catastrophe.

Yeah in the ARMS not in the Presidium
+ Shepard was just in the middle of the explosion he was severly wounded and took the huge blast of the initial explosion, now tell me how he could possibly have found one of the shuttle he actualy never saw in his life

Why must only the arms of the Cit survive? The PAX Panel devs never stated what could survive just that parts of the Cit could in fact do so. Who's to say an entire arm can? Maybe only parts of it? Maybe all of it? Maybe parts of the Presidium can?

The point is we don't know, all we know is the Devs have created possibilites.

It's the same possibility that exists with the Relays. Who's to say that they must explode in full on Nova? Perhaps the signal from the Cru has them destruct in a different way? eg. other sci-fi analogy, the USS Enterprise can be rigged to self drestuct without causing a full on Anti-Matter explosion. On the flipside the USS Enterprise can explode in a full on Anti-Matter explosion.

[Sire Styx]

This explains all. Shepard is impaled on a giant ringbinder.

Modifié par Sire Styx, 12 avril 2012 - 01:53 .

[J-Sheridan]

majinbuu1307 wrote...

Zix13 wrote...

Holy ****. You see the citadel explode in the destroy ending where shep lives. There's no citadel to be buried in rubble on.

Wrong. citadel comes apart, still in orbit, does NOT explode.

See that thing in the centre.... you know the bit where the beam comes out then seconds later literally explodes... thats where Shepard is moron.

At exactly 8:22 a huge fireball magically appears which is enough to make the Citadel start falling apart. Shepard is at the centre of that explosion... in a room with an open roof.

It totally make sense that an explosion of energy followed by explosions that rock the station would have no ill effects to gravely injured Shepard or the integrity of that room.

[majinbuu1307]

joiushdfoubsndpovn wrote...

J-Sheridan wrote...

Jessica Merizan is full of garbage.
So far it seems ready apparant Bioware are throwing **** at a board and trying to see what sticks.
End of story.

Shep's on the Citadel - You mean the one that just blew up idiot ?
Waaah waaaah... the Citadel didnt blow up waaaah

Wrong, a massive explosion is seen coming straight from the dead centre of the Citadel and thats exactly where Shepard is.
Since the Center of the Citadel is larger than a goddamn Reaper and that explosion expands big enough to obscure the entire outer ring... that means that explosion was well into the multi-km.

Somehow Shepard has survied an explosion centred on his location that is bigger than entire cities ?
Utter BS.

Now shall we consider that Shepard is literally standing in a large open space room with an exposed scenic look at Earth. The kind of look that will shatter when big explosion cause major damage to the structure.
I dont know about you but a big cavernous room is not the best place to be in when explosions risk to puncture the thin shell between you and the vacum of space.

Simple fact is Bioware have made an ending that is utterly retarded and the Shepard lives aspect is even more fundamentally retarded... almost as if they intentionally want Shepard dead and added the non-commital clip as a bonus scene that will never be played out.

This.  it is quite clear that people on both sides of this argument are picking and choosing where they get their information from, and stick to it, even though it is quite obvious when they are wrong.  Jessica Merizan has been wrong on numerous occasions, and has stated she is speculating on alot of things.  Shep simply cannot be on the citadel for 2 glaring reason, one posted above about the explosion, and there IS NO WAY you could survive that in his state and armor.  The 2nd reason being the simple reason that HE WAS NOT ON THE CITADEL DURING THE EXPLOSION. he was on the catalyst.  So no matter what, Jessica m. is wrong.  if he IS somehow there, after surviving an explosion of that magnitude, he would be on the catalyst, not the Citadel, i don't understand how people can just pick and choose their realities and common sense like this.

No, he is still on part of the citadel. If you look, you see where the damn beam connects between the crucible and the citadel. if he jumped high enough he would land on the crucible.

[majinbuu1307]

J-Sheridan wrote...

majinbuu1307 wrote...

Zix13 wrote...

Holy ****. You see the citadel explode in the destroy ending where shep lives. There's no citadel to be buried in rubble on.

Wrong. citadel comes apart, still in orbit, does NOT explode.

See that thing in the centre.... you know the bit where the beam comes out then seconds later literally explodes... thats where Shepard is moron.

At exactly 8:22 a huge fireball magically appears which is enough to make the Citadel start falling apart. Shepard is at the centre of that explosion... in a room with an open roof.

It totally make sense that an explosion of energy followed by explosions that rock the station would have no ill effects to gravely injured Shepard or the integrity of that room.

So, logically, instead of he survived an explosion...you want either one of two of the following more idiotic ideas. He's indoctrinated and never made it to the beam, or he fell from the citadel and landed in rubble AFTER the explosion. Indoctrination, for the last time, would mean that when he wakes up, the problem is STILL THERE, oh hello reapers, damn, why did i just watch that lenghly cutscene about relays and my crew? Darn unneeded dreams.

[majinbuu1307]

Sire Styx wrote...

This explains all. Shepard is impaled on a giant ringbinder.

lol

[J-Sheridan]

[quote]majinbuu1307 wrote...
[/quote] No, he is still on part of the citadel. If you look, you see where the damn beam connects between the crucible and the citadel. if he jumped high enough he would land on the crucible.
[/quote]

Are you naturally this dense or that desperate ?

Shepard can barely walk and is bleeding heavily but somehow he jumps... apparantly gravity left the ending along with Shepard's helment against the vacum of space.

Its bad enough the ending is a load of garbage... the leaps required to make Shepard live is even more hilarious.

[majinbuu1307]

J-Sheridan wrote...
Are you naturally this dense or that desperate ?




Shepard can barely walk and is bleeding heavily but somehow he jumps... apparantly gravity left the ending along with Shepard's helment against the vacum of space.




Its bad enough the ending is a load of garbage... the leaps required to make Shepard live is even more hilarious.

You complete moron. I wasn't saying thats how he escaped, I was telling you thats where he was, He is still on the catalyst. If i said if i jumped high enough i'd hit the moon, doesn't mean i friggin can. 

Modifié par majinbuu1307, 12 avril 2012 - 02:07 .

[zambingo]

I don't see why that explosive force MUST require that room to be obliterated. I have seen many real life explosions and I am always surprised by just what can survive and what can't within the blast zone. In addition the apex point is never shown up close in any ending. We don't know how that blast dissipates. There is too much 1) that we don't about the nature of the explosion 2) that we don't know about the Cit/Cru, the Reapers and that just how that fictional technology works.

[Verit]

Marta Rio II wrote...
I'm kind of liking the latest theories regarding the destroy ending, i.e.:
- If your EMS is high enough, the Catalyst is better at targeting the Reapers (rather than all Reaper-based tech), and thus doesn't kill EDI/the Geth.
- Also: Shep's not dead and is on the heavily damaged, yet sill orbiting citadel.

Not sure if this is what they originally intended (probably not), but I hope this is how they "repair" the destroy ending.  Like the OP said, in that case, it'd actually be a relatively happy, genocide-free (well, except for the Reapers) ending. 

It would be a relatively happy end even for the Reapers. As Shepard can note in a Paragon interrupt to the Rannoch Reaper. The people preserved in that Reaper were long gone, and they can finally rest in peace once the Reaper is dead.