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[majinbuu1307]

balance5050 wrote...

Evo_9 wrote...

Sad how you people cant just let the indoctrination theory die lol

Sad that you still haven't realized that it will never die.

Wish I could kill it:)

[balance5050]

Iconoclaste wrote...

Actually, there is 1 keeper active in the hall just before Shepard gets to the "bridge", before meeting with Anderson. So maybe there are others scattered around.

Anyone tried to shoot at that keeper?

There's 2, there's no clip so you can walk right through them.

[majinbuu1307]

Iconoclaste wrote...

Actually, there is 1 keeper active in the hall just before Shepard gets to the "bridge", before meeting with Anderson. So maybe there are others scattered around.

Anyone tried to shoot at that keeper?

Yeah hes invincible already tried.

[balance5050]

majinbuu1307 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Evo_9 wrote...

Sad how you people cant just let the indoctrination theory die lol

Sad that you still haven't realized that it will never die.

Wish I could kill it:)

Issues? You can't kill an idea, especially a good one 

[Sisterofshane]

majinbuu1307 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Evo_9 wrote...

Sad how you people cant just let the indoctrination theory die lol

Sad that you still haven't realized that it will never die.

Wish I could kill it:)

Correction: Sad how people can't realize that someone else on the internet might have a differing opinion

[Banelash]

Um in case you didn't notice. In he destroy ending, the only ending to get this scene, the citadel shatters into pieces and explodes

[majinbuu1307]

balance5050 wrote...

majinbuu1307 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Evo_9 wrote...

Sad how you people cant just let the indoctrination theory die lol

Sad that you still haven't realized that it will never die.

Wish I could kill it:)

Issues? You can't kill an idea, especially a good one 

How is it good? Bioware already stated that they where surprised and didn't expect to have to clarify, meaning the ending they made is the one they meant, a fnisher, closing story ending. If your indoctrinated, and choosing destroy or whatever "wakes you up" that means you still kinda have some reapers to deal with. Unfinished game. Its not what they had in mind.

[SnakesSon]

Right.Let me get this straight. Shepard wakes up in rubble on the Citadel.

So, Shepard somehow went from being up in a certain room in the Citadel that has been shown to not exist on the Citadel itself, to being flung back all the way to near the beginning to that very specific piece of background, and then somehow survived her wounds. Not only that, but she is apparently not moving at all, and she is in a part of the Citadel that can still provide fresh air even while in pieces. Oh and there's concrete somewhere on the Citadel. But we've never seen it.Ever. Or any evidence of it.

So...this is easier to believe than Shepard being knocked out by Harbinger? But I'm grasping at straws.

Okay.

Edit: Not only that, but she also survives being blown sky-high while inside the apex of the explosion. This scene only occurs in the Destruction ending, where she's engulfed in a firey explosion with no armor or protection. And then she's covered in rubble. But she's okay. Oh, and despite the Starchild saying synthetics will die, and people with implants will die, Shepard still lives with all the tech in her. Because Lazarus Project and uh hard to kill and stuff.

Modifié par SnakesSon, 11 avril 2012 - 05:32 .

[majinbuu1307]

Banelash wrote...

Um in case you didn't notice. In he destroy ending, the only ending to get this scene, the citadel shatters into pieces and explodes

It comes apart, it does not explode. We do no see anything exploding to bits. They stated this at PAX too. They said expect everyone plot important to have survived on the citadel.

[shepard1038]

balance5050 wrote...

majinbuu1307 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Evo_9 wrote...

Sad how you people cant just let the indoctrination theory die lol

Sad that you still haven't realized that it will never die.

Wish I could kill it:)

Issues? You can't kill an idea, especially a good one 

More like a baseless idea.

[majinbuu1307]

SnakesSon wrote...

Right.Let me get this straight. Shepard wakes up in rubble on the Citadel.

So, Shepard somehow went from being up in a certain room in the Citadel that has been shown to not exist on the Citadel itself, to being flung back all the way to near the beginning to that very specific piece of background, and then somehow survived her wounds. Not only that, but she is apparently not moving at all, and she is in a part of the Citadel that can still provide fresh air even while in pieces. Oh and there's concrete somewhere on the Citadel. But we've never seen it.Ever. Or any evidence of it.

So...this is easier to believe than Shepard being knocked out by Harbinger? But I'm grasping at straws.

Okay.

Once again, being knocked out by Harbinger and "waking up" after breaking indoctrination, is that your answer? Problem. That means the game is unfinished, no conclusion, seeing as the reapers are STILL THERE.
 Second, Soo....That means the crucible firing was also a dream, since that was BEFORE shepard "wakes up" why dream that the relays are all destroyed. Just... NO, NO GOD DAMNIT THERE IS NO INDOCTRINATION. THE ONLY DARN MOMENT WHEN SHEPARD IS FIGHTING INDOCTRINATION IS WHEN ILUSIVE MAN(being indoctrinated himself so not really his power) IS DOING IT TO YOU. HENCE THE DAMN WEIRD BLACK STUFF CLOUDING YOUR MIND IN THAT SCENE. ENOUGHHHHHHH......anywhooo....geez. 

[balance5050]

shepard1038 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

majinbuu1307 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Evo_9 wrote...

Sad how you people cant just let the indoctrination theory die lol

Sad that you still haven't realized that it will never die.

Wish I could kill it:)

Issues? You can't kill an idea, especially a good one 

More like a baseless idea.

I'm just going to assume you haven't done your research. Cause I thought it was a dream the first time I beat it on March 9th, I am a pretty observant person though.

[Ishiken]

legion999 wrote...

majinbuu1307 wrote...

legion999 wrote...

Concrete. There is none on the Citadel. And when did Shepard end up in these sealed off areas? And why didn't he bleed out? Also wouldn't kilometre sized debris falling into Earth destroy large areas of it? Wait if the Citadels a mass relay does that mean Earth will be covered in Element Zero?

And no blue tint doesn't mean anything. He could have landed in thousands of different locations.

They didn't say it fell to earth. Could be floating up there in orbit like a disabled Internation space station. Eventually falling but probably has time.

Also he didn't bleed out cuz he's shepard.

Because my Shepard is a Biotic God, who can create personal mass effect bubbles like those Asari commandoes in Thessia but I can do it much longer and over a much larger area.

The Citadel exploded large chunks of it will head to Earth. And still how did Shepard survive the blood loss, tube explosion, Citadel explosion, red beam, the vacuum of space and the burns from Harbinger's ray? And re-entry and impact (if the likely thing happens and the Citadel falls towards Earth)?

[balance5050]

majinbuu1307 wrote...

SnakesSon wrote...

Right.Let me get this straight. Shepard wakes up in rubble on the Citadel.

So, Shepard somehow went from being up in a certain room in the Citadel that has been shown to not exist on the Citadel itself, to being flung back all the way to near the beginning to that very specific piece of background, and then somehow survived her wounds. Not only that, but she is apparently not moving at all, and she is in a part of the Citadel that can still provide fresh air even while in pieces. Oh and there's concrete somewhere on the Citadel. But we've never seen it.Ever. Or any evidence of it.

So...this is easier to believe than Shepard being knocked out by Harbinger? But I'm grasping at straws.

Okay.

Once again, being knocked out by Harbinger and "waking up" after breaking indoctrination, is that your answer? Problem. That means the game is unfinished, no conclusion, seeing as the reapers are STILL THERE.
 Second, Soo....That means the crucible firing was also a dream, since that was BEFORE shepard "wakes up" why dream that the relays are all destroyed. Just... NO, NO GOD DAMNIT THERE IS NO INDOCTRINATION. THE ONLY DARN MOMENT WHEN SHEPARD IS FIGHTING INDOCTRINATION IS WHEN ILUSIVE MAN(being indoctrinated himself so not really his power) IS DOING IT TO YOU. HENCE THE DAMN WEIRD BLACK STUFF CLOUDING YOUR MIND IN THAT SCENE. ENOUGHHHHHHH......anywhooo....geez. 

Not just Shepard... you the player! BUAHHAHAHA!! 

[SnakesSon]

majinbuu1307 wrote...

SnakesSon wrote...

Right.Let me get this straight. Shepard wakes up in rubble on the Citadel.

So, Shepard somehow went from being up in a certain room in the Citadel that has been shown to not exist on the Citadel itself, to being flung back all the way to near the beginning to that very specific piece of background, and then somehow survived her wounds. Not only that, but she is apparently not moving at all, and she is in a part of the Citadel that can still provide fresh air even while in pieces. Oh and there's concrete somewhere on the Citadel. But we've never seen it.Ever. Or any evidence of it.

So...this is easier to believe than Shepard being knocked out by Harbinger? But I'm grasping at straws.

Okay.

Once again, being knocked out by Harbinger and "waking up" after breaking indoctrination, is that your answer? Problem. That means the game is unfinished, no conclusion, seeing as the reapers are STILL THERE.
 Second, Soo....That means the crucible firing was also a dream, since that was BEFORE shepard "wakes up" why dream that the relays are all destroyed. Just... NO, NO GOD DAMNIT THERE IS NO INDOCTRINATION. THE ONLY DARN MOMENT WHEN SHEPARD IS FIGHTING INDOCTRINATION IS WHEN ILUSIVE MAN(being indoctrinated himself so not really his power) IS DOING IT TO YOU. HENCE THE DAMN WEIRD BLACK STUFF CLOUDING YOUR MIND IN THAT SCENE. ENOUGHHHHHHH......anywhooo....geez. 

The ending is finished as it is? The ending that wouldn't be A, B, or C? The one that would show all of our choices up to that point, and would be different for every person? That's the finished game?

I also find it very strange that suddenly The Illusive Man has all the properties of a husk. Yeah, there are hints he's indoctrinated and crazy, but he goes from being normal looking for all his appearances to looking like a goddamn robot zombie in the last ten minutes of the game. Not only that, but suddenly he can freeze two veteran soldiers in place with...what exactly? How does someone whose been indoctrinated suddenly gain the power to not only freeze people in place, but also DIRECTLY CONTROL THEM?

Oh, and when did he learn how to make that nifty Reaper growl too?

Listen to yourself. You're indoctrinated.

But seriously, your argument is a bit flawed my friend.

Edit:Saren directly influenced Benezia, but he could never directly control her movements like a puppeteer. Just wanted to add that.

Modifié par SnakesSon, 11 avril 2012 - 05:40 .

[Xannerz]

This ending is making more and more sense. /sarcasm

[majinbuu1307]

hm

[majinbuu1307]

 Indoctrination theorists make me want to hit my head with a hammer.:O:O:O:O:O:O

[SnakesSon]

majinbuu1307 wrote...

 Indoctrination theorists make me want to hit my head with a hammer.:O:O:O:O:O:O

The current endings make me want to hit my head with a hammer.

Maybe then I'd understand them and the artistic integrity behind it.
(Also,at least try to disprove my statements man, you're hurting my feelings.)

[DirectorStormchaser1]

majinbuu1307 wrote...
Once again, being knocked out by Harbinger and "waking up" after breaking indoctrination, is that your answer? Problem. That means the game is unfinished, no conclusion, seeing as the reapers are STILL THERE.
 Second, Soo....That means the crucible firing was also a dream, since that was BEFORE shepard "wakes up" why dream that the relays are all destroyed. Just... NO, NO GOD DAMNIT THERE IS NO INDOCTRINATION. THE ONLY DARN MOMENT WHEN SHEPARD IS FIGHTING INDOCTRINATION IS WHEN ILUSIVE MAN(being indoctrinated himself so not really his power) IS DOING IT TO YOU. HENCE THE DAMN WEIRD BLACK STUFF CLOUDING YOUR MIND IN THAT SCENE. ENOUGHHHHHHH......anywhooo....geez. 

Actually if it is Indoctrination it is the end of the Shepard Story.  So it ends the Shepard's Story.

I will not be surprised when Mass Effect 4, makes the new Hero/Heroine fight against Indoctrinated Shepard.

Even if Shephard does win against Indoctrination she/he is still out of the picture.

Games which bring back the same **** main character every single time gets boring and old.  

Thank GOD Shepard got Indoctrinated. 

[shepard1038]

balance5050 wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

majinbuu1307 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Evo_9 wrote...

Sad how you people cant just let the indoctrination theory die lol

Sad that you still haven't realized that it will never die.

Wish I could kill it:)

Issues? You can't kill an idea, especially a good one 

More like a baseless idea.

I'm just going to assume you haven't done your research. Cause I thought it was a dream the first time I beat it on March 9th, I am a pretty observant person though.

Because it doesn't have a base. By that you could say that Shepard was indoctrinated when he was aboard a
reaper in me2 and when he was close to reapers and reaper devices.

[TJX2045]

Lots of t3h sp3culati0ns.


Honestly, I assumed he was in Citadel ruins but it just wouldn't make sense that he wouldn't be burned falling into Earth's atmosphere, and it would legitimately make no sense that anyone on the citadel survived.  There are all those dead bodies for one, and second, even if they were alive and stuck in the closed up parts...Cerberus is clearly on the Citadel, or at least TIM.  Who's to say he didn't take out people on the way to Shepard? Or if he didn't he probably indoctrinated some as he's basically a reaper beacon then.

And even then, with the way the current endings are, we don't see shepard moving or being able to get up, which means the current assumption from that clip is that he or she is alive but can't move or function normally.  I wasn't expecting him to pop up from the rubble unscathed for the most part like in ME1.  But I would've felt better with a hand movement or something to show that Shepard isn't possibly a vegetable since his synthetics are done.

shepard1038 wrote...

Because it doesn't have a base. By that you could say that Shepard was indoctrinated when he was aboard a
reaper in me2 and when he was close to reapers and reaper devices.

 
Technically he could have been.  But if you read the Codex on indoctrination, indoctrinating people TOO FAST turns them into Husks.  If they slowly build up the indoctrination and the subliminal messages and thoughts, then you get people like Matriarch Benezia and Saren.

I refuse to believe that the Reapers weren't at least trying to indoctrinate Shepard.  He's a high ranking military official.  Pretty much the whole galaxy trusts him.  He's a household name.  What better thrall for Harbinger to have than him?  It's like Sovereign's choice for Saren.  He was a Spectre and could do things above the law.  Sovereign took advantage of that.  We could also assume that Harbinger saw what Sovereign did and wanted to do the same with Shepard since he became a Spectre and after seeing what he could do during ME2 and the Suicide Mission.

Let us also not forget that Shepard is pretty much the only person who has 3 Reapers talk to him directly (Sovereign, Harbinger, and the Rannoch Destroyer).

Modifié par TJX2045, 11 avril 2012 - 05:55 .

[majinbuu1307]

SnakesSon wrote...

majinbuu1307 wrote...

 Indoctrination theorists make me want to hit my head with a hammer.:O:O:O:O:O:O

The current endings make me want to hit my head with a hammer.

Maybe then I'd understand them and the artistic integrity behind it.
(Also,at least try to disprove my statements man, you're hurting my feelings.)

So very tired of doing that...must bash head with hammer.

The current ending is the one they say is correct, and they said it was a closure. Leaving the ending "he wakes up, reapers still right in his face" isn't closure, the more logical, and correct answer, is that all actually happened.

Why show the crucible activating if he didn't make it up there? Why dream that? Is he gonna wake up and then do it all over again? Kinda redunant also.

There is just so much wrong with it and soooo much of it is from people basically seeing what they want to see. I see a bunny in that cloud, hmm, i see a cloud.

[balance5050]

Did you guys notice how when TIM makes Shep raise his gun at Anderson, Anderson raises the same hand as Shepard, not at the exact same time but he still seems to be mirroring him, goes along with the other piece of evidence that shows Shepard bleeding from the same part of his body where he shot Anderson. Pretty weird!!

[majinbuu1307]

shepard1038 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

majinbuu1307 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Evo_9 wrote...

Sad how you people cant just let the indoctrination theory die lol

Sad that you still haven't realized that it will never die.

Wish I could kill it:)

Issues? You can't kill an idea, especially a good one 

More like a baseless idea.

I'm just going to assume you haven't done your research. Cause I thought it was a dream the first time I beat it on March 9th, I am a pretty observant person though.

Because it doesn't have a base. By that you could say that Shepard was indoctrinated when he was aboard a
reaper in me2 and when he was close to reapers and reaper devices.

or maybeee he has been indoctrinated since he was close to sovereign. OMG HE HAS BEEN DREAMING SINCE ME1. gasp. bleh. barf. <_<