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[venetiancrusader]

ElectricBlaze1 wrote...

a 3 day ban is a slap on the wrist, I'd like to see a harsher punishment.

they don't want to lose customers...

[Laughing Wolf]

T1l wrote...

Laughing Wolf wrote...

T1l wrote...

It's not a cheat. It's not a glitch. It's death exploiting Wave 10 on Gold for huge sums of credits.

Add it to the list of the plethora of problems with Mass Effect 3. Lots of lines of code, few programmers working on fixes, and the Goblet of Give a **** that the programmers get their sustinance from would be getting mighty empty by now.

I don't really care about the people glitching/cheating in this manner, but call an apple an apple.  It's cheating and glitching.  You are doing something that was unintended by the design.  That's called an exploit.

People try to say, "Oh, well it's so easy to do, it's in the system, it's not my fault!"  That's nothing more than evasive tripe.  It's easy to start offsides in a soccer match.  If the referee isn't watching, you may not even get caught.  In fact, the other team may still score, so it still doesn't matter!  It's.  Still.  Cheating.

Cheat and glitch and do whatever you want as long as it doesn't affect me.  But be honest about it and don't try to **** around with your terminology.  If you're ashamed of being called a cheater, there's a simple solution for that.  Don't cheat.  If you're only worried about the penalty, there are two simple solutions for that: 1) don't cheat, or 2) don't get caught.

But, ffs, don't come on here and try to convince yourself and the world you're not cheating because BW's glitchy code allows it.  You know it's something you're not supposed to do.  Either do it and accept that you're cheating or don't do it.  Period.

/rant

I just get sick of people trying to excuse the choices they make.

Did I state anywhere, at any time, I have ever done this? Did at any point, in anything I wrote, I condone what this is?

Get off your high horse. I'm stating what this is. It's exploitation of an in game mechanic for profit. Not a 'cheat'. Until Bioware fix this people will continue to do it because they can. I have never done this. I will never do this. I don't see the point of doing this, but please, focus your rage and vehemnt disdain to where it should be - Bioware. They're responsible and wholy responsible for this problem. They create the rules which unfortunately allow people to do this.

Ah.  I see you've taken this personally.  An easy mistake to make considering my usage of the word "you" -- an admitted mistake on my part.  Replace every instance of "you" with "one" or "people/person" and alter the surrounding words for proper grammar.

Good on you that you've never done this.  Bad on you that you (yes, you, this time) don't see it as a cheat.  Exploiting a glitch to produce unintended results is still cheating, no matter who allowed the glitch to exist.

I will directly use your words, this time.  (The previous rant was not intended to be directed at you, so take that as you will; you just happened to prompt the rant with your post.  Kind of a straw/camelback situation.)  BioWare is not wholly responsible for other people's actions.  Just because a man accidentally (please do not try to say BW deliberately created this glitch) leaves a hundred dollar bill hanging halfway out of his pocket does not make it his fault if someone walks by and grabs it.  It is his loss, yes.  He was careless, yes.  But the person who grabbed that bill decided to steal from that man.  That person knew he was stealing from that man.  That person is wholly responsible for his actions.

The same goes with people glitching/cheating/exploiting BioWare's faulty coding.  They know they're cheating.  They're responsible for their own actions.  So many just try to claim it wasn't their fault when they made that deliberate decision to exploit that coding.  That "it's their fault I can glitch so it isn't cheating" cheesehead attitude is worth every bit of vehement disdain (because the slippery slope of that is desensitization to personal responsibility leading to greater harms that a person thinks they shouldn't be accountable for) I can muster while the "yes, I cheated" attitude warrants a mere shrug, disappointed headshake and the Exit Lobby button.

Modifié par Laughing Wolf, 11 avril 2012 - 04:52 .

[Silent Rage]

Laughing Wolf wrote...

T1l wrote...

Laughing Wolf wrote...

T1l wrote...

It's not a cheat. It's not a glitch. It's death exploiting Wave 10 on Gold for huge sums of credits.

Add it to the list of the plethora of problems with Mass Effect 3. Lots of lines of code, few programmers working on fixes, and the Goblet of Give a **** that the programmers get their sustinance from would be getting mighty empty by now.

I don't really care about the people glitching/cheating in this manner, but call an apple an apple.  It's cheating and glitching.  You are doing something that was unintended by the design.  That's called an exploit.

People try to say, "Oh, well it's so easy to do, it's in the system, it's not my fault!"  That's nothing more than evasive tripe.  It's easy to start offsides in a soccer match.  If the referee isn't watching, you may not even get caught.  In fact, the other team may still score, so it still doesn't matter!  It's.  Still.  Cheating.

Cheat and glitch and do whatever you want as long as it doesn't affect me.  But be honest about it and don't try to **** around with your terminology.  If you're ashamed of being called a cheater, there's a simple solution for that.  Don't cheat.  If you're only worried about the penalty, there are two simple solutions for that: 1) don't cheat, or 2) don't get caught.

But, ffs, don't come on here and try to convince yourself and the world you're not cheating because BW's glitchy code allows it.  You know it's something you're not supposed to do.  Either do it and accept that you're cheating or don't do it.  Period.

/rant

I just get sick of people trying to excuse the choices they make.

Did I state anywhere, at any time, I have ever done this? Did at any point, in anything I wrote, I condone what this is?

Get off your high horse. I'm stating what this is. It's exploitation of an in game mechanic for profit. Not a 'cheat'. Until Bioware fix this people will continue to do it because they can. I have never done this. I will never do this. I don't see the point of doing this, but please, focus your rage and vehemnt disdain to where it should be - Bioware. They're responsible and wholy responsible for this problem. They create the rules which unfortunately allow people to do this.

Ah.  I see you've taken this personally.  An easy mistake to make considering my usage of the word "you" -- an admitted mistake on my part.  Replace every instance of "you" with "one" or "people/person" and alter the surrounding words for proper grammar.

Good on you that you've never done this.  Bad on you that you (yes, you, this time) don't see it as a cheat.  Exploiting a glitch to produce unintended results is still cheating, no matter who allowed the glitch to exist.

I will directly use your words, this time.  (The previous rant was not intended to be directed at you, so take that as you will; you just happened to prompt the rant with your post.  Kind of a straw/camelback situation.)  BioWare is not wholly responsible for other people's actions.  Just because a man accidentally (please do not try to say BW deliberately created this glitch) leaves a hundred dollar bill hanging halfway out of his pocket does not make it his fault if someone walks by and grabs it.  It is his loss, yes.  He was careless, yes.  But the person who grabbed that bill decided to steal from that man.  That person knew he was stealing from that man.  That person is wholly responsible for his actions.

The same goes with people glitching/cheating/exploiting BioWare's faulty coding.  They know they're cheating.  They're responsible for their own actions.  So many just try to claim it wasn't their fault when they made that deliberate decision to exploit that coding.  That "it's their fault I can glitch so it isn't cheating" cheesehead attitude is worth every bit of vehement disdain (because the slippery slope of that is desensitization to personal responsibility leading to greater harms that a person thinks they shouldn't be accountable for) I can muster while the "yes, I cheated" attitude warrants a mere shrug, disappointed headshake and the Exit Lobby button.

Agree to disagree. Ive always had my attitude about glitchy buggy games never been banned. They should focus on fixing their games and catching the modders who give themselves a billion credits and alter other peoples games or instant unlocks.If they do it alone I don't care its their game they can do with they want with it go crazy. If the glitch was effecting other players and how they play then yes thats cheating and you should be banned. But its not you legit have to have friends or people willing to work with you to do it. Some people don't feel like dealing with biowares crappy lottery system so. Never ending arguement.

Modifié par Silent Rage, 11 avril 2012 - 04:56 .

[WhySoeSerius]

Can u not quote the whole convo. Jeezuz

[Silent Rage]

WhySoeSerius wrote...

Can u not quote the whole convo. Jeezuz

I could.

[UKillMeLongTime]

bs on just a ban...reset them

[Silent Rage]

UKillMeLongTime wrote...

bs on just a ban...reset them

Banning is worse then resetting.

[T1l]

Laughing Wolf wrote...

[snip]

This entire issue, to me, is like rolling the ball along the ground in cricket. Bad sportsmanship? Absolutely. Ruins an aspect of the game for other people? Sure. Against the 'rules'? No, not really. A manipulation of what's allowed for gain. Until Bioware put their foot down and fix this so people can't do it (like what the Cricketing Board did with rolling of the ball), people will do it.

Total bull****, I agree with you, but until Bioware does something about it you're getting your underpants in a knot for nothing.

EDIT: For those of you not familiar with bowling underarm in cricket, here is the analogy I used.

Modifié par T1l, 11 avril 2012 - 05:11 .

[HOUSE MDD]

InfamousResult wrote...

"Upload Feedback" being off and saving you from a ban is a myth. They can still track the amount of credits you gain and how quickly you're gaining them, which is the biggest giveaway that someone is abusing the exploit.

Exactly as all store purchases and credit pocurment is handled server side not client. So op it doesent matter if you got data collection on , off or super cheating loser mode, u will still get caught And i bet if someone cheats and gets caught a 2nd time it will be a perma ban hammer.

[venetiancrusader]

Silent Rage wrote...

UKillMeLongTime wrote...

bs on just a ban...reset them

Banning is worse then resetting.

well he/she might be mad is a 3 day ban...

[AndroidQuazar]

Well, there is one problem with permament reseting. It means that this player will probably not be playing mass efect anymore, and this means no more money from DLC's. I am sure 3 days ban is good punishment.

[WhySoeSerius]

You did it again silent..

[venetiancrusader]

HOUSE MDD wrote...

InfamousResult wrote...

"Upload Feedback" being off and saving you from a ban is a myth. They can still track the amount of credits you gain and how quickly you're gaining them, which is the biggest giveaway that someone is abusing the exploit.

Exactly as all store purchases and credit pocurment is handled server side not client. So op it doesent matter if you got data collection on , off or super cheating loser mode, u will still get caught And i bet if someone cheats and gets caught a 2nd time it will be a perma ban hammer.

most people have been using this glitch since the demo days and nothing... the only true way to get caught is by playing with randoms... one of those randoms records the game you glitched... and then sends such video to bioware along with your gamertag/origin id. It was the same with battlefield 3 and the edo bot glitch.

[venetiancrusader]

AndroidQuazar wrote...

Well, there is one problem with permament reseting. It means that this player will probably not be playing mass efect anymore, and this means no more money from DLC's. I am sure 3 days ban is good punishment.

I agree with you

[venetiancrusader]

WhySoeSerius wrote...

You did it again silent..

some people like quoting

[AndroidQuazar]

venetiancrusader wrote...

HOUSE MDD wrote...

InfamousResult wrote...

"Upload Feedback" being off and saving you from a ban is a myth. They can still track the amount of credits you gain and how quickly you're gaining them, which is the biggest giveaway that someone is abusing the exploit.

Exactly as all store purchases and credit pocurment is handled server side not client. So op it doesent matter if you got data collection on , off or super cheating loser mode, u will still get caught And i bet if someone cheats and gets caught a 2nd time it will be a perma ban hammer.

most people have been using this glitch since the demo days and nothing... the only true way to get caught is by playing with randoms... one of those randoms records the game you glitched... and then sends such video to bioware along with your gamertag/origin id. It was the same with battlefield 3 and the edo bot glitch.

Oh my god, there was better glitch in BF3. Four players are standing in circle, two of each team. You kill the one on the right, he is ressed by his squadmate. Then he kills my teammate and I am ressing him. And so on... and so on. xd

[HOUSE MDD]

venetiancrusader wrote...

HOUSE MDD wrote...

InfamousResult wrote...

"Upload Feedback" being off and saving you from a ban is a myth. They can still track the amount of credits you gain and how quickly you're gaining them, which is the biggest giveaway that someone is abusing the exploit.

Exactly as all store purchases and credit pocurment is handled server side not client. So op it doesent matter if you got data collection on , off or super cheating loser mode, u will still get caught And i bet if someone cheats and gets caught a 2nd time it will be a perma ban hammer.

most people have been using this glitch since the demo days and nothing... the only true way to get caught is by playing with randoms... one of those randoms records the game you glitched... and then sends such video to bioware along with your gamertag/origin id. It was the same with battlefield 3 and the edo bot glitch.

Bioware can easily check server logs and check the credits you own/ have aquired against the number of games/objectives you have completed. A stupid friend of mine has had his me account banned and he did the glitch on private with 3 friends who also got banned.

[AndroidQuazar]

HOUSE MDD wrote...

venetiancrusader wrote...

HOUSE MDD wrote...

InfamousResult wrote...

"Upload Feedback" being off and saving you from a ban is a myth. They can still track the amount of credits you gain and how quickly you're gaining them, which is the biggest giveaway that someone is abusing the exploit.

Exactly as all store purchases and credit pocurment is handled server side not client. So op it doesent matter if you got data collection on , off or super cheating loser mode, u will still get caught And i bet if someone cheats and gets caught a 2nd time it will be a perma ban hammer.

most people have been using this glitch since the demo days and nothing... the only true way to get caught is by playing with randoms... one of those randoms records the game you glitched... and then sends such video to bioware along with your gamertag/origin id. It was the same with battlefield 3 and the edo bot glitch.

Bioware can easily check server logs and check the credits you own/ have aquired against the number of games/objectives you have completed. A stupid friend of mine has had his me account banned and he did the glitch on private with 3 friends who also got banned.

banned for how long?

[venetiancrusader]

HOUSE MDD wrote...

venetiancrusader wrote...

HOUSE MDD wrote...

InfamousResult wrote...

"Upload Feedback" being off and saving you from a ban is a myth. They can still track the amount of credits you gain and how quickly you're gaining them, which is the biggest giveaway that someone is abusing the exploit.

Exactly as all store purchases and credit pocurment is handled server side not client. So op it doesent matter if you got data collection on , off or super cheating loser mode, u will still get caught And i bet if someone cheats and gets caught a 2nd time it will be a perma ban hammer.

most people have been using this glitch since the demo days and nothing... the only true way to get caught is by playing with randoms... one of those randoms records the game you glitched... and then sends such video to bioware along with your gamertag/origin id. It was the same with battlefield 3 and the edo bot glitch.

Bioware can easily check server logs and check the credits you own/ have aquired against the number of games/objectives you have completed. A stupid friend of mine has had his me account banned and he did the glitch on private with 3 friends who also got banned.

how long was he banned for?

[EG NeoMorph]

So basically the players who get banned do three days in the pen and then it's a case of...

We're on a mission to credit glitch. We're getting the banned back together

Too damned lenient if you ask me.

[venetiancrusader]

besides it would be stupid to do it all the time... even if you glitch you have to do regular runs too. Also buying a few packs with real $$$ makes them turn the other way when it comes to you using the glitch.

Modifié par venetiancrusader, 11 avril 2012 - 05:25 .

[venetiancrusader]

EG NeoMorph wrote...

So basically the players who get banned do three days in the pen and then it's a case of...

We're on a mission to credit glitch. We're getting the banned back together

Too damned lenient if you ask me.

they don't want to lose customers...

[venetiancrusader]

is a co-op game anyway... why the whining...

[venetiancrusader]

Awesome Tree wrote...

Did it happen to you?

no

[Laughing Wolf]

Silent Rage wrote...
you legit have to have friends or people willing to work with you to do it. Some people don't feel like dealing with biowares crappy lottery system so. Never ending arguement.

Ehh.  It's pretty cut and dry for me.  A little bit of cheating is still cheating.

If the intended outcome of 30 minutes on gold is 75k credits and someone discovers how to exploit bugs in such a way that they instead make 300k credits in 30 minutes, then that's cheating -- even if it's just at the very end and just a simple little thing they do.

Now, if BW comes out and says, "No, we designed that loophole for some clever player to figure out. You did it!  Bravo," then that's all well and good and I need to get me into some of those matches.

T1l wrote...
This
entire issue, to me, is like rolling the ball along the ground in
cricket. Bad sportsmanship? Absolutely. Ruins an aspect of the game for
other people? Sure. Against the 'rules'? No, not really. A manipulation
of what's allowed for gain. Until Bioware put their foot down and fix
this so people can't do it (like what the Cricketing Board did with
rolling of the ball), people will do it.

Total bull****, I agree
with you, but until Bioware does something about it you're getting your
underpants in a knot for nothing.

EDIT: For those of you not familiar with bowling underarm in cricket, here is the analogy I used.

Interesting analogy.  In the cricket example, there were no explicit rules against rolling the ball because nobody expected a player to be so unsporting.  That's very similar to how a loophole can pop up in programming.  It just doesn't occur to the programmer that a player might do X, Y and Z, which breaks the sequence of events he programmed.

Also in the cricket analogy, the activity was stopped by the implementation of a rule.  I assume the rule came with a penalty.  BioWare has also done similar with these bannings.  I do wish they would come out and directly say, "Don't do that, it's bad!"  But even though they haven't, banning people who've exploited this credit glitch is a pretty strong indication of what they want their rules to be.

You're right about it being pointless to rant about.