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[pomrink]

someguy1231 wrote...

NOTE: PLEASE try not to let this thread be derailed into yet another discussion of ME3's ending. Say what you will about it, but don't let it overtake this thread.

What are some opinions you have about each individual ME game, or the ME universe in general, which are largely not shared by the rest of the fanbase? I'll start:

-Meer's voice acting is better than Hale's.
-Tali is highly overrated and I also found her voice a bit annoying.
-Liara is a Mary-Sue or is very close to being one, especially in ME3. Even Shepard comes very close too on occassion.
-Pretty much all of the human squadmates (Ashley, Kaiden, Jacob, etc) are bland and uninteresting.
-Bioware tried too hard to write Ashley as a "tough female solider" and made her come across as arrogant and reckless, as well as being an archetype first and an organic character second.
-Bioware's human designs are still trapped in the Uncanny Valley, especially when they make facial expressions.
-ME1 had the worst shooting mechanics by far.
-ME2 had too much focus on characters and romances, to the point that the Collectors/Reapers seemed to be more like a sidequest than the main quest.
-Shepard's resurrection at the start of ME2 pretty much destroyed my suspension of disbelief. Even with all of ME's advanced tech, I couldn't buy it bringing back the dead.
-Planet scanning, while not exactly thrilling, was still better than the Mako.
-The Gears of War games still have better shooting gameplay than any of the games, and there's nothing wrong with ME taking inspiration from them to improve its gameplay.
-Making Cerberus an enemy in ME3 felt forced and plot-driven, especially if you were renegade in ME2.
-All of the romances feel forced and cheesy, and the "love scene" is just laughable and even a bit creepy (uncanny valley, again).
-I found it incredibly irresponsible (and nearly suspension-breaking) for Shepard to pursue a romance in ME3, considering there's a massive Reaper invasion underway and only Shepard can stop it. Granted, I may be a bit biased here since I loathe the romances in general.
-Kai Leng was stupidly overpowered and existed more as plot device than an actual character. A villainous Mary Sue, basically.
-Making the Reapers so incredibly powerful from the start pretty much doomed the series to end with a contrived Deus ex Machina or the Reapers winning.

As you can see, I go against BSN on quite a few things. What are some of yours?

Disagree on two things. I love the mako, and I like Miranda.

Also, EDI is awful in this game.

Also, I hate the quarians.

Modifié par pomrink, 11 avril 2012 - 06:56 .

[OldSwede]

RazRei wrote...

The voice acting and the animation in this game is overly stiff.

Check out Gears of War 3 and Bulletstorm running Unreal Engine 3 just like ME3 but the animation is smoother, finer, and they got the Voice Actor's to be more animated.

one of thee major grips for me about this game is how all the VO and Character's of this game is so stiff.

Oooh, I haven't played those, so I can't compare. I don't know if I'd like them but maybe I should check them out. There are many games that people refer to here on the forums, that I am totally unaware of (I am 46...well 47 this year, and a woman...so I guess I'm not the "typical gamer", and I do not keep up with games).

Oh, there is another thing that I realized people (according to the inertnet) seem to not have liked - at all,
it was the Demo of ME3. I enjoyed it so very much, and I was so happy that I downloaded it the day before the release (I don't keep up as you can tell)!  ...but then, I got disappointed all in all. Anyway, I loved the Demo of ME3 

Modifié par OldSwede, 11 avril 2012 - 07:02 .

[pikey1969]

Introducing romancing Tali/Garrus in ME2 (basically any non-Asari alines) cause of the whole 'wah wah i want to roleplay romance with aliens completely incompatible at a BIOLOGICAL level' fans.

Sure there were plenty of great dialog exchanges between Shep and those characters, but the same quality narratives could have been achieve (and they were) without the completely implausible romances.

For the same reason you couldn't ever romance Krogan, they shouldn't have let you romance space-raptors and germaphobic space-goats.

Modifié par pikey1969, 11 avril 2012 - 06:55 .

[TJX2045]

 OP, your post made me laugh.  I approve of this thread.

RazRei wrote...

The voice acting and the animation in this game is overly stiff. 

Check out Gears of War 3 and Bulletstorm running Unreal Engine 3 just like ME3 but the animation is smoother, finer, and they got the Voice Actor's to be more animated. 

one of thee major grips for me about this game is how all the VO and Character's of this game is so stiff.

I don't feel like ALL of the Voice Actors in ME3 are stiff.  Some of them are just natural since especially when it comes to things like on screen film/tv style acting, you can't be too over the top or it becomes unrealistic.  I will say some of Mark Meer's voice acting seemed a bit off at times, especially with Steve crashing in the end and the sudden change from "STEVE!" to "You sure?"  It made me laugh out loud.

But I will say this: Holy crap, Bulletstorm was a game with horrible voice acting.  I just played the demo, and I mean they may have been animated but SERIOUSLY, the writing...oh god the writing...even characters in GTA4 didn't swear like that.  They swore so much it would make a sailor want to was his mouth out with soap.  There's only so much swearing I can take before it seems unecessary.

Modifié par TJX2045, 11 avril 2012 - 07:02 .

[Conquerthecity]

 -Though I loved the Citadel shooting scene, the Garrus bromance felt forced for a majority of the trilogy. 
-Ammo gathering will always seem like a step backwards in technology. I hate it. 
-Meer > Hale. 
-A lot of characters are walking Bioware cliches. (Doesn't mean I like them any less, though.) 

[inko1nsiderate]

Imperator Augustus wrote...

- The morality system is poorly done. Oftentimes Paragon is a goodie-two-shoes whereas Renegade is just being a dick for no reason.
- Most of the alien designs are bland and uninteresting
- The relationships post ME1 feel silly and contrived. The sex scenes are like watching two mannequins rub against each other.
- Romancing alien squadmates other than Liara is disgusting.
- ME1 isn't a great RPG. Almost every game play mechanic is clunky.
- The multiplayer is one of the best horde modes I have ever played.

I agree with all of these.  Particularly point 1.  I find that a Shepard who makes both paragon and renegade choices has a lot more character, but the other games shoe horn you into going down a singular side of the morality system.  Though, it is far better than most morality systems that tend to be even more black and white.

Re: Liara.  I think it is pretty hilarious that she pretty much has eyebrows.  She's one of two Asari to have that 'facial feature', but it really makes her a lot more human looking than other Asari.

[OldSwede]

 Speaking of the voice acting. The first time my 78 y/o mother heard my FemShep, my mother said "She's got a great voice!"

I've dragged my mother into this story, almost every time she's visited LOL so maybe I should ask her what she feels about the male voice (it'd be fun to hear her opinion as a 78 y/o) 

[inko1nsiderate]

TJX2045 wrote...

 OP, your post made me laugh.  I approve of this thread.

RazRei wrote...

The voice acting and the animation in this game is overly stiff. 

Check out Gears of War 3 and Bulletstorm running Unreal Engine 3 just like ME3 but the animation is smoother, finer, and they got the Voice Actor's to be more animated. 

one of thee major grips for me about this game is how all the VO and Character's of this game is so stiff.

I don't feel like ALL of the Voice Actors in ME3 are stiff.  Some of them are just natural since especially when it comes to things like on screen film/tv style acting, you can't be too over the top or it becomes unrealistic.  I will say some of Mark Meer's voice acting seemed a bit off at times, especially with Steve crashing in the end and the sudden change from "STEVE!" to "You sure?"  It made me laugh out loud.

Hale has her bad moments too.  The worst voice acting and animation moments seem to happen right at the very beginning though.  That line 'That, and your good word?' has the weirdest animation and is delivered horribly by both Hale and Meer.  Makes me cringe every time I get to that line in the intro sequence.

[omphaloskepsis]

pikey1969 wrote...

Introducing romancing Tali/Garrus in ME2 (basically any non-Asari alines) cause of the whole 'wah wah i want to roleplay romance with aliens completely incompatible at a BIOLOGICAL level' fans.

Sure there were plenty of great dialog exchanges between Shep and those characters, but the same quality narratives could have been achieve (and they were) without the completely implausible romances.

For the same reason you couldn't ever romance Krogan, they shouldn't have let you romance space-raptors and germaphobic space-goats.

I'm just curious about your take on the romances, since you're the second one to bring it up and it never even occurred to me.  Are romances only acceptable if they involve the possibility of reproduction?  And does that include EDI and Joker as well?  

[MelancholyV]

-The Mako was my baby, even if I couldn't drive it for crap.
-I don't like Thane
-I don't like the Garrus/Femshep romance.
-I was determined to hate EDI in ME3 but I adore her now.
-I found the ME2 planet scanning to be soothing... for a time.
-I always leave Ash to die on Virmire because in my first, newbie, run of ME she killed Wrex. Now it feels wrong to me if she lives.
-I like Kaidan a lot. He pisses me off sometimes, but so do people I know IRL, and I don't hate them for that.
-I don't like how many humanoid aliens there are. Not sure if it was meant to make the player more emotionally attached to them or what. I feel like there should be more races such as the elcor and hanar.
-I used to like Jacob.
-I can only see Femshep as straight, whereas Manshep is bisexual for some reason.

[MrGone]

Hmmmmmmmm. Despite thinking that the OP needs to find other synonyms for Mary Sue. . . I'll go with it.

I ****ing love the Mako. Most seem to hate it, but I absolutely adore it and miss it.
I like Jack, and have always liked Jack.
Also, never really saw what was so great about Tali. She's kind of bland.
Honestly, the opening to ME3 is just as bad as the ending, but in different ways, and no one notices it because it wasn't the last thing they saw.

And that's about all I can muster.

[stevefox1200]

1. The Hammerhead was awesome
2. Never liked Tali, never used her in the first game and didn't care when she died on the suicide mission in the second (my Mass effect 3 run was Tali-less
3. I would have loved an ending where Shepard became the new head of Cerberus and a tyrant
4. I liked and respected Udina FAR more than Anderson and made him a council member in my first ME 1 (I thought it was dumb they made him a traitor because for some reason you can't have a jerk who is not evil)
5. I rather sit around and just talk with characters and read the codex than fight battles
6. I thought the reapers were better off with some kind of master mind in control of them (just not the starkid)
7. Aria is extremely lame
8. I hate how Bioware memes up so many of their games (it ruined half the dialog in DA2 for me)
9. I hated my ME3 squad
10. I think Archer is a far more sympathetic than David and it was dumb how Shepard was forced to hate him
11. I think Asari come across as arrogant and condescending

[BobbyDylan]

-I loved the Mako idea, but found the physics to be annoying. Would have prefered the Mako maps, but with the Hammerhead.
-I loved the plannet scanning. It fleshes out the game. I also tend to read all the "planet histrory" text when you orbit a planet.
-I disliked Kaidan. Whiney little girl, real men dont cry! So he gets fried on Virmire every time.
-Quarians are cool, although I'm no Talimancer.
-I think the genophage was needed, and warrented. In fact, I replayed from Me1, killing wrex, and destroying Malons data so that I can save Mordin.
- Mordin was my favorite character.
- Liara is my LI, because she has the same eyes as my highschool crush.
- Vega is lame. Found him shallow, and uninteresting, and would much prefer one of the ME2 squaddies.
-Traynor was ok, I guess, but what was wrong with Kelly? She danced for you in your CABIN!!
-I only found the toilet to my cabin on the normand in ME3, when a cutscean showed it to me. (very much a WTF moment).
-I liked all the races, but found they stuck a little too closely to steriotypes.
-Being forced to go full paragon / renegade blows. sometimes I feel like letting them go, sometimes I feel like shooting them in the foot.
-ME1 was my favorite, because it was so unexpectedly good.
-ME2 was great, and huge (loved the loyalty missions), but the bringing back from dead thing was something that always got to me,
-Me3 is  great at bringing you emmotions into the story, but I feel I've lost control of my Shepard to Bioware can make their movie. ME3 is the most emmotional of the games, but the worst "game" in terms of interactivity. Best shooting mechanics, but ME3 should be more than cover based shooting, IMHO.

Modifié par BobbyDylan, 11 avril 2012 - 08:05 .

[avatoc]

- Neither voice actors were that good
- Legion is the best character in the series
- Bioware are mediocre universe builders at best
- Baulder's gate 2 was their peek
- Admiral Hackett is a good character and if he had been the starchild (uhm starman?) it would have made it a little better as a reflection of his character
- Dragon Age Origins felt like a second rate Warhammer Fantasy copy
- Had the starchild been Christopher Lee instead (and voice acted by Christopher Lee) I would have bought the ending
- All the endings are good in concept (more or less anyway)

[matthewmi]

Now tell me what you do like. Jeez I'd hate to see some of you get real critical or anything.  Though I will add I miss the film Grain and wish I could holster my weapon in ME3.  Enjoyed the games immensely dozens of careers on my 4th one in ME3 now.

Modifié par matthewmi, 11 avril 2012 - 08:14 .

[Ieldra]

Opinions I have I think may be unpopular:

1. I like the Mako and miss ME1-style resource collection.
2. "Destroy" is the worst ending, even if Shepard lives.
3. Aria may be badass, but she's boring as a character.
4. I never liked Anderson much and hate his forced "mentor" status in the ME3 ending.
5. I wish Garrus and Tali were not in the games.
6. Interspecies sex is a horrible idea.
7. I like Jacob as an LI for femShep in ME2. Apart from a certain line, he has the most mature romance.
8. The Illusive Man is a tragic character.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 11 avril 2012 - 08:18 .

[Hawk227]

someguy1231 wrote...

NOTE: PLEASE try not to let this thread be derailed into yet another discussion of ME3's ending. Say what you will about it, but don't let it overtake this thread.

What are some opinions you have about each individual ME game, or the ME universe in general, which are largely not shared by the rest of the fanbase? I'll start:

-Meer's voice acting is better than Hale's.
-Tali is highly overrated and I also found her voice a bit annoying.
-Liara is a Mary-Sue or is very close to being one, especially in ME3. Even Shepard comes very close too on occassion.
-Pretty much all of the human squadmates (Ashley, Kaiden, Jacob, etc) are bland and uninteresting.
-Bioware tried too hard to write Ashley as a "tough female solider" and made her come across as arrogant and reckless, as well as being an archetype first and an organic character second.
-Bioware's human designs are still trapped in the Uncanny Valley, especially when they make facial expressions.
-ME1 had the worst shooting mechanics by far.
-ME2 had too much focus on characters and romances, to the point that the Collectors/Reapers seemed to be more like a sidequest than the main quest.
-Shepard's resurrection at the start of ME2 pretty much destroyed my suspension of disbelief. Even with all of ME's advanced tech, I couldn't buy it bringing back the dead.
-Planet scanning, while not exactly thrilling, was still better than the Mako.
-The Gears of War games still have better shooting gameplay than any of the games, and there's nothing wrong with ME taking inspiration from them to improve its gameplay.
-Making Cerberus an enemy in ME3 felt forced and plot-driven, especially if you were renegade in ME2.
-All of the romances feel forced and cheesy, and the "love scene" is just laughable and even a bit creepy (uncanny valley, again).
-I found it incredibly irresponsible (and nearly suspension-breaking) for Shepard to pursue a romance in ME3, considering there's a massive Reaper invasion underway and only Shepard can stop it. Granted, I may be a bit biased here since I loathe the romances in general.
-Kai Leng was stupidly overpowered and existed more as plot device than an actual character. A villainous Mary Sue, basically.
-Making the Reapers so incredibly powerful from the start pretty much doomed the series to end with a contrived Deus ex Machina or the Reapers winning.

As you can see, I go against BSN on quite a few things. What are some of yours?

Wow, I agree with almost all of these. Only major differences: Tali's voice is sexy (although she's a worthless squadmate), Liara is not a Mary-Sue (although Shepard kind of is for the whole series), ME3 gameplay finally caught up with GoW, Jacob was definitely boring (but with Pull and squad incendiary ammo, a pretty useful squadmate).

[Khajiit Jzargo]

-I didn't find Ash distrusting you wrong and I though it was very natural.
-Tali is WAY more close minded that Ash
-I didn't find Javik to be annoying.
-I liked Vega and Jacob
-Emily Wong was not that big of a deal and I don't care shes dead.
-Multiplayer SUCKS!!!!
-Kelly is a horrible character and Traynor is so much better.
-I hate Steve, well not really him but the fact there's always some excuse as to why he leaves you in battle.

Modifié par Khajiit Jzargo, 11 avril 2012 - 08:37 .

[ticklefist]

ME2 Jack > ME3 Jack.
ME1 was hardly the RPG people make it out to be. It just had loot.
Garrus wasn't very interesting before Mass Effect 3.
Wrex is a dumb hick.
EDI is the best, most useful squadmate in ME3.
Outside of the novelty of being a non-hostile talking Geth, Legion has no real depth.
ME2 is the best game of the series by a substantial margin.

[NaastyNZL]

- I love Jack and was alittle disappointed that she was pushed to a minor character in Mass Effect 3. She's such a great character...
- I never liked Tali all that much and think she's overrated. Barely took her on my missions too.
- Miss the Hammerhead. Thought it was thousand times better than the Mako.
- I actually like Vega
- Found Mass Effect 3 to still be a great game, even with the 'ending'.
- Still loves Bioware and remembers that they're human... JUST LIKE US!!!

Modifié par NaastyNZL, 11 avril 2012 - 08:35 .

[ticklefist]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
-I hate Steve, well not really him but the fact there's always some excuse as to why he leaves you in battle.

I know right? 

[Icinix]

ticklefist wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
-I hate Steve, well not really him but the fact there's always some excuse as to why he leaves you in battle.

I know right? 

Frantic Shepard: STEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVE!

Bored Shepard: Oh, good. You're ok. Carry on.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

ticklefist wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
-I hate Steve, well not really him but the fact there's always some excuse as to why he leaves you in battle.

I know right? 

I don't know how many times I've heard the same excuse. "If I was flying my old trident" He leaves at Grissom Academy, gets shot down at the Cerberus base, I honestly don't know what time he did anything useful.