If you are going to use BSN as your sample do it properly. The poll would lead us to believe that over 90% of people that bought the game are not satisfied.
Me3 sells an estimated 1.5 mil
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Posté 11 avril 2012 - 03:05
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There are alot of people who dont use the forums and dont always return games either. For example i got 4 friends who play ME3. None of them use the forums and none of them have returned ME3 but they all didnt like the ending that much.
I think there are alot more people unhappy with the current ending than Bioware think.
I think there are alot more people unhappy with the current ending than Bioware think.
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Posté 11 avril 2012 - 03:05
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Just because the last 10 minutes of a game of a 30-40 hour game was less than stellar, that doesn't mean the game is faulty or broken.
I've gotten more than my money's worth from ME3. I know I can't speak for everyone.
The retakers are right here though, they aren't a "vocal minority." However, not all the people who hate the ending think that the game is ruined because of it.
I've gotten more than my money's worth from ME3. I know I can't speak for everyone.
The retakers are right here though, they aren't a "vocal minority." However, not all the people who hate the ending think that the game is ruined because of it.
#54
Posté 11 avril 2012 - 03:05
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There was an interview with "a leader of the retake movement" on Forbes who indicated that what they had done was.... groundbreaking (may have used different words but the same meaning was implied)
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Posté 11 avril 2012 - 03:08
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izmirtheastarach wrote...
Icinix wrote...
lol
You can't use the total sales number minus the people anti-ending as positive ending. They fact is they're unknown, the vast majority of gamers out there aren't on forums. They can't be used as a plus or negative in any situation. The only statistic they can be truthfully used as is they bought the game.
As has been pointed out, Bioware has the statistics. They know how many people finished the game. They know how many started a second playthrough. The fact that they've commited to doing anything at all in response to Retake means that they believe the affected player base is large enough to justify the investment of dev time and money.
They're not likely to share those statistics publicly, but the data is there.
Oh make no mistake, I believe the people who are displeased with the ending are in fact a very large majority, but even analytic data regarding replays etc is only a number and can't be used for accurate information for plus or negative endings. Also PC Players might play offline, xbox players might not have internet connection at all, Yes there are a lot of them. I just don't think anyone can speak on behalf of the total number of sales as an indication of support or lack of support.
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Posté 11 avril 2012 - 03:08
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Sipau Fade wrote...
There was an interview with "a leader of the retake movement" on Forbes who indicated that what they had done was.... groundbreaking (may have used different words but the same meaning was implied)
Why do you care? Maybe you should start a 'takedown the retake movement'. And you'll be so much cooler than them.
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Posté 11 avril 2012 - 03:09
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Its the first of this magnitude for a game.Sipau Fade wrote...
There was an interview with "a leader of the retake movement" on Forbes who indicated that what they had done was.... groundbreaking (may have used different words but the same meaning was implied)
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Posté 11 avril 2012 - 03:09
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Thats all I'm saying too man. An estimated 1.5 mil bought it. This move my is a vocal minority of the people who bought the game.
Question, why is being labeled a vocal minority such a bad thing to you people. I've seen you get so upset by this. Just own it. Your a small percentage of the buyers.
Thats all I'm saying too man. An estimated 1.5 mil bought it. This move my is a vocal minority of the people who bought the game.
Question, why is being labeled a vocal minority such a bad thing to you people. I've seen you get so upset by this. Just own it. Your a small percentage of the buyers.
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Posté 11 avril 2012 - 03:09
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Wait.... There is a leader of the retake movement?Sipau Fade wrote...
There was an interview with "a leader of the retake movement" on Forbes who indicated that what they had done was.... groundbreaking (may have used different words but the same meaning was implied)
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Posté 11 avril 2012 - 03:10
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Your right they did sell a lot of copies but a lot are being returned.also take in fact that most people didn't like the game so sales on the next game won't be the same...
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Posté 11 avril 2012 - 03:10
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@Sipau Fade
Why are you so mad that people called you out on your terrible math skills?
Why are you so mad that people called you out on your terrible math skills?
#62
Posté 11 avril 2012 - 03:12
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@shep. That's what the Forbes interviewer thought. And I guess the interviewee thought they were too
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Posté 11 avril 2012 - 03:14
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Because how can you have a leader? Do you vote to have someone lead the way?Sipau Fade wrote...
@shep. That's what the Forbes interviewer thought. And I guess the interviewee thought they were too
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#64
Posté 11 avril 2012 - 03:14
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*facepalm* So much misinformation here.
#65
Posté 11 avril 2012 - 03:15
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@ aber.
Im really not mad at getting called out on my math. Just an honest mistake and I looked stupid. It was funny to me.
I'm more angry about how this tread is 3 page along and ive already confessed to trolling and people on the bsn go nuts over this stuff. I'm mad about the fans reaction to the ending. This little troll attempt is a way of venting
Im really not mad at getting called out on my math. Just an honest mistake and I looked stupid. It was funny to me.
I'm more angry about how this tread is 3 page along and ive already confessed to trolling and people on the bsn go nuts over this stuff. I'm mad about the fans reaction to the ending. This little troll attempt is a way of venting
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Posté 11 avril 2012 - 03:15
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Sipau Fade wrote...
There was an interview with "a leader of the retake movement" on Forbes who indicated that what they had done was.... groundbreaking (may have used different words but the same meaning was implied)
Ah. So what one person on the tv said represents what all those who support Retake think. I got you. I'm getting a solid feeling for what kind of thread you wanted to create.
Back to the topic at hand, every single poll I've seen done anywhere has resulted in a large majority agreeing that the ending was fraught with problems. It's not like the only people who feel that way are on the BSN.
And of course what the OP thinks is kind of moot at this point, since Bioware has proven by their actions that they believe that so many people were disappointed that they needed to completely revamp their DLC delivery schedule.
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Posté 11 avril 2012 - 03:16
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Sipau Fade wrote...
@incinx
Thats all I'm saying too man. An estimated 1.5 mil bought it. This move my is a vocal minority of the people who bought the game.
Question, why is being labeled a vocal minority such a bad thing to you people. I've seen you get so upset by this. Just own it. Your a small percentage of the buyers.
This poll shows about 4.5K people liked ME2.
http://social.biowar...093/polls/1659/
Do you think only 4.5K people out of all the ME2 game owners liked it?
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Posté 11 avril 2012 - 03:17
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Or maybe Bioware isn't so evil like some people portrait them and just want to make people happy.izmirtheastarach wrote...
Sipau Fade wrote...
There was an interview with "a leader of the retake movement" on Forbes who indicated that what they had done was.... groundbreaking (may have used different words but the same meaning was implied)
Ah. So what one person on the tv said represents what all those who support Retake think. I got you. I'm getting a solid feeling for what kind of thread you wanted to create.
Back to the topic at hand, every single poll I've seen done anywhere has resulted in a large majority agreeing that the ending was fraught with problems. It's not like the only people who feel that way are on the BSN.
And of course what the OP thinks is kind of moot at this point, since Bioware has proven by their actions that they believe that so many people were disappointed that they needed to completely revamp their DLC delivery schedule.
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#69
Posté 11 avril 2012 - 03:19
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Shep, don't know. Im not in the group. Ask them next time you guys have a meeting in the local high school gymnasium.
And why is it misinformation when the assumptions are that the game is doing well, is good, the endings don't suck and the info is taken as true, factual, or doctrine if it agrees with the idea that the endings suck and needs changing?
BECAUSE YOU ARE ALL CRAZY!THATS WHY!!
A BILLBOARD? Cupcakes?!?! You guys areNUTZ!!!
And why is it misinformation when the assumptions are that the game is doing well, is good, the endings don't suck and the info is taken as true, factual, or doctrine if it agrees with the idea that the endings suck and needs changing?
BECAUSE YOU ARE ALL CRAZY!THATS WHY!!
A BILLBOARD? Cupcakes?!?! You guys areNUTZ!!!
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Posté 11 avril 2012 - 03:20
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Sipau Fade wrote...
@incinx
Thats all I'm saying too man. An estimated 1.5 mil bought it. This move my is a vocal minority of the people who bought the game.
Question, why is being labeled a vocal minority such a bad thing to you people. I've seen you get so upset by this. Just own it. Your a small percentage of the buyers.
For sure. I get what you're saying.
But - by that language, people who LIKED the endings are an infinitely smaller vocal minority.
You could say the people who didn't like the ending are the vast majority of vocal gamers.
The people who did are the minority of vocal gamers.
Its the wonder of the english language really.
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Posté 11 avril 2012 - 03:20
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Sipau Fade wrote...
Shep, don't know. Im not in the group. Ask them next time you guys have a meeting in the local high school gymnasium.
And why is it misinformation when the assumptions are that the game is doing well, is good, the endings don't suck and the info is taken as true, factual, or doctrine if it agrees with the idea that the endings suck and needs changing?
BECAUSE YOU ARE ALL CRAZY!THATS WHY!!
A BILLBOARD? Cupcakes?!?! You guys areNUTZ!!!
To be fair Im not part of the movement, but I see what you did there.
#72
Posté 11 avril 2012 - 03:21
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This is the way the game is played in this industry.Sipau Fade wrote...
BECAUSE YOU ARE ALL CRAZY!THATS WHY!!
A BILLBOARD? Cupcakes?!?! You guys areNUTZ!!!
www.gamepolitics.com/2009/06/05/dante039s-inferno-protest-e3-was-staged-ea
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Posté 11 avril 2012 - 03:21
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Sipau Fade wrote...
BECAUSE YOU ARE ALL CRAZY!THATS WHY!!
A BILLBOARD? Cupcakes?!?! You guys areNUTZ!!!
There we go. That's much clearer. I hope everyone is clear on the level of discourse being brought to the table here.
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Posté 11 avril 2012 - 03:23
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aberdash wrote...
This is the way the game is played in this industry.Sipau Fade wrote...
BECAUSE YOU ARE ALL CRAZY!THATS WHY!!
A BILLBOARD? Cupcakes?!?! You guys areNUTZ!!!
www.gamepolitics.com/2009/06/05/dante039s-inferno-protest-e3-was-staged-ea
Fire with Fire really.
I have no issue with fund raiserrs, cupcakes and billboards.
EA is not getting the message in more traditional ways.
#75
Posté 11 avril 2012 - 03:23
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That poll is from this forum. 90% of everyone on the bsn hates the ending. It's not accurate to say that everyone hates the ending just as much as it is to say 1.5 mil bought the game (oh I see what I did there I just poked holes in my own argument...hahaha)
Let's rephrase, A LOT of peoe bought A LOT less hated the ending so much they did as my has they could to get bioware to change the ending. The other people either loved it, hated it but didn't care enough to do anything about it, or we're somewhere I between. Those were normal reactions. The 6.66% (haha devils, satans,) weren't normal
That poll is from this forum. 90% of everyone on the bsn hates the ending. It's not accurate to say that everyone hates the ending just as much as it is to say 1.5 mil bought the game (oh I see what I did there I just poked holes in my own argument...hahaha)
Let's rephrase, A LOT of peoe bought A LOT less hated the ending so much they did as my has they could to get bioware to change the ending. The other people either loved it, hated it but didn't care enough to do anything about it, or we're somewhere I between. Those were normal reactions. The 6.66% (haha devils, satans,) weren't normal
