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[izmirtheastarach]

Sipau Fade wrote...

Let's rephrase, A LOT of peoe bought A LOT less hated the ending so much they did as my has they could to get bioware to change the ending. The other people either loved it, hated it but didn't care enough to do anything about it, or we're somewhere I between. Those were normal reactions. The 6.66% (haha devils, satans,) weren't normal

Right, right. Expressing your opinion is not normal. Understood. Is it normal for you to spend time discussing how abnormal it is for others to express their opinions? Sounds great.

[Sipau Fade]

EA got the message. You don't like the ending and you want it changed. Their current answer is. Ok, we'll add more to the current ending but we're not changing it

[Rafe34]

Icinix wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Icinix wrote...

lol

You can't use the total sales number minus the people anti-ending as positive ending. They fact is they're unknown, the vast majority of gamers out there aren't on forums. They can't be used as a plus or negative in any situation. The only statistic they can be truthfully used as is they bought the game.

As has been pointed out, Bioware has the statistics. They know how many people finished the game. They know how many started a second playthrough. The fact that they've commited to doing anything at all in response to Retake means that they believe the affected player base is large enough to justify the investment of dev time and money.

They're not likely to share those statistics publicly, but the data is there.

Oh make no mistake, I believe the people who are displeased with the ending are in fact a very large majority, but even analytic data regarding replays etc is only a number and can't be used for accurate information for plus or negative endings. Also PC Players might play offline, xbox players might not have internet connection at all, Yes there are a lot of them. I just don't think anyone can speak on behalf of the total number of sales as an indication of support or lack of support.

Precisely. We can say that it seems like a majority probably dislike the endings, based on the info we have, but we aren't stating it as a fact, (I hope). 

But people certainly can't say that the most liked the endings simply based off of sales.

[Rafe34]

Sipau Fade wrote...

 Clarification is needed because I guess I wasn't EXACTLY clear on what I said. Even if I thought I was. I guess this is what bioware feels like when they post. People pick apart every little thing you say and don't read what you actually said. 

Congrats bioware. It's nice to see an actual number (this is the first ESTIMATE. I've seen that is attempting any sense of actuality, some say it could be more, I've heard 2.8 mil on Forbes). It's also nice to finally be able to say that the retake moment is a vocal minority.  I'll be really generous and say you have 100,000 followers. Thats a little more than half of a percent that didn't like the ending enough to "do something about it". (I thought this was pretty clear but I guess not, I said that the retake movement was upset enough to do something to try to change the ending. I didn't say the other 92.33% totally loved the game. I guess I was implying that the other 92.33% were normal. Yeah that was a jab at you guys:)

Oh and by the way 100k is .0666% of 1.5 mil. Is it sign? From the behavior I've see around these parts I'd have to agree. (I'm leaving the error in the math because that was funny. Can't take yourself so seriously. Some of you could learn that lesson)

Oh yeah, I also got this info from ign....do double suck it haha. Much love, but not really. 

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Lol. What fail logic.

Oh yes, 1.5 million people bought the game, so if they don't actually sign up on a facebook page, they must like the ending. Go take a stats course, and then get back to me.

[Rafe34]

javierabegazo wrote...

lol. I'm happy *MOST* of our community understands basic math.

Just apparently not basic statistics.

[izmirtheastarach]

Sipau Fade wrote...

EA got the message. You don't like the ending and you want it changed. Their current answer is. Ok, we'll add more to the current ending but we're not changing it

I would not have known that if you hasn't told us. Thanks for clearlng everything up. Very helpful.

[KyuzoS7]

1.5 that's it? lulz did you check EA's income charts?/Stock's w/e the hell they got publicly out there.

it's dropping alot.

[Sipau Fade]

Me ****ing on the bsn is normal behavior. Collecting money for charity's, cupcakes, and anti-ea billboards under the guies that it's all for kids when really its to voice your hate of an ending and DEMAND a new one is just .....(I tried to think of something to describe it for 5 minutes but I'm just speach less, and I can't think of a better way to "say" how I feel about the retake movement. I'm speechless and can't describe how I feel, but not in a good way)

I'm done with you people enjoy you **** ending and I hope you never get the closure you're looking for.

BIOWARE PLEASE BAN ME DO IM NEVER TEMPTED TO CONE BAVK HERE!

[aberdash]

Sipau Fade wrote...

Me ****ing on the bsn is normal behavior. Collecting money for charity's, cupcakes, and anti-ea billboards under the guies that it's all for kids when really its to voice your hate of an ending and DEMAND a new one is just .....(I tried to think of something to describe it for 5 minutes but I'm just speach less, and I can't think of a better way to "say" how I feel about the retake movement. I'm speechless and can't describe how I feel, but not in a good way)

I'm done with you people enjoy you **** ending and I hope you never get the closure you're looking for.

BIOWARE PLEASE BAN ME DO IM NEVER TEMPTED TO CONE BAVK HERE!

u mad as ****

[shepard1038]

I think how are the percentages about the endings and the statistics are like this;

X percent of people liked the ending.
X percent of people hated the ending.
X percent of people are okay with the ending.

Now this statistic descent from the above, like variables;

X percent of people are part of the movement and want change.
X percent of people doesn't want change.
X percent of people are not part of the movement but want change.

See what Im trying to say?

Modifié par shepard1038, 11 avril 2012 - 03:37 .

[BiancoAngelo7]

kbct wrote...

OP, your post needs more win and less fail.

I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite post on the Citadel.

[jtrook]

Sipau Fade wrote...

 Clarification is needed because I guess I wasn't EXACTLY clear on what I said. Even if I thought I was. I guess this is what bioware feels like when they post. People pick apart every little thing you say and don't read what you actually said. 

Congrats bioware. It's nice to see an actual number (this is the first ESTIMATE. I've seen that is attempting any sense of actuality, some say it could be more, I've heard 2.8 mil on Forbes). It's also nice to finally be able to say that the retake moment is a vocal minority.  I'll be really generous and say you have 100,000 followers. Thats a little more than half of a percent that didn't like the ending enough to "do something about it". (I thought this was pretty clear but I guess not, I said that the retake movement was upset enough to do something to try to change the ending. I didn't say the other 92.33% totally loved the game. I guess I was implying that the other 92.33% were normal. Yeah that was a jab at you guys:)

Oh and by the way 100k is .0666% of 1.5 mil. Is it sign? From the behavior I've see around these parts I'd have to agree. (I'm leaving the error in the math because that was funny. Can't take yourself so seriously. Some of you could learn that lesson)

Oh yeah, I also got this info from ign....do double suck it haha. Much love, but not really. 

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Insert eye role here<_<

[daigakuinsei]

Sipau Fade wrote...

 Clarification is needed because I guess I wasn't EXACTLY clear on what I said. Even if I thought I was. I guess this is what bioware feels like when they post. People pick apart every little thing you say and don't read what you actually said. 

Congrats bioware. It's nice to see an actual number (this is the first ESTIMATE. I've seen that is attempting any sense of actuality, some say it could be more, I've heard 2.8 mil on Forbes). It's also nice to finally be able to say that the retake moment is a vocal minority.  I'll be really generous and say you have 100,000 followers. Thats a little more than half of a percent that didn't like the ending enough to "do something about it". (I thought this was pretty clear but I guess not, I said that the retake movement was upset enough to do something to try to change the ending. I didn't say the other 92.33% totally loved the game. I guess I was implying that the other 92.33% were normal. Yeah that was a jab at you guys:)

Oh and by the way 100k is .0666% of 1.5 mil. Is it sign? From the behavior I've see around these parts I'd have to agree. (I'm leaving the error in the math because that was funny. Can't take yourself so seriously. Some of you could learn that lesson)

Oh yeah, I also got this info from ign....do double suck it haha. Much love, but not really. 

By

Someone doesn't know how to do math.

[ChildOfEden]

http://www.retakemas...org/social.html
So I've just went to the retake website. 200,000 people from around the world have joined the petitions and the movement.
http://lugoentertain....com/me3ending/
The link above is a statics based off the number of people who joined country wise.

[AJRimmsey]

this is beginning to make me nostalgic for my schooldays...my junior schooldays.

but even then arguing who was to put the banger up the dead frogs arse seemed so much more high brow than these bickerings.

[Dartbeast54q]

Sipau Fade wrote...

Me ****ing on the bsn is normal behavior. Collecting money for charity's, cupcakes, and anti-ea billboards under the guies that it's all for kids when really its to voice your hate of an ending and DEMAND a new one is just .....(I tried to think of something to describe it for 5 minutes but I'm just speach less, and I can't think of a better way to "say" how I feel about the retake movement. I'm speechless and can't describe how I feel, but not in a good way)

I'm done with you people enjoy you **** ending and I hope you never get the closure you're looking for.

BIOWARE PLEASE BAN ME DO IM NEVER TEMPTED TO CONE BAVK HERE!

Neat.  Thanks for the feedback.

[kbct]

ChildOfEden wrote...

http://www.retakemas...org/social.html
So I've just went to the retake website. 200,000 people from around the world have joined the petitions and the movement.
http://lugoentertain....com/me3ending/
The link above is a statics based off the number of people who joined country wise.

Wow, didn't realize it was over 200K now. Check out the country strength:

Afghanistan - 410
Argentina - 2726
Armenia - 300
Australia - 4561
Austria - 2235
Belarus - 540
Belgium - 2995
Bosnia and Herzegovina - 400
Brazil - 5910
Bulgaria - 810
Canada - 16060
Chile - 415
China - 1638
Colombia - 80
Croatia (Hrvatska) - 1260
Czech Republic - 1490
Denmark - 2145
Dominican Republic - 100
Egypt - 155
El Salvador - 300
Estonia - 395
Finland - 2970
France - 16194
France, Metropolitan - 1150
Germany - 12600
Greece - 1295
Hong Kong - 400
Hungary - 2145
Iceland - 165
India - 95
Indonesia - 250
Ireland - 1135
Israel - 1700
Italy - 785
Japan - 1905
Kazakhstan - 155
Korea, Democratic People's Republic of - 35
Korea, Republic of - 695
Latvia - 555
Lebanon - 150
Lithuania - 625
Luxembourg - 75
Macau - 75
Malaysia - 200
Mexico - 1335
Mozambique - 450
Nepal - 75
Netherlands - 4385
New Zealand - 1800
Norway - 3160
Philippines - 1175
Poland - 4860
Portugal - 915
Puerto Rico - 450
Romania - 1500
Russian Federation - 6750
Saudi Arabia - 40
Singapore - 1480
Slovakia - 305
Slovenia - 985
South Africa - 335
Spain - 2410
Sri Lanka - 320
Sweden - 3810
Switzerland - 705
Taiwan - 365
Thailand - 410
Tunisia - 155
Turkey - 1940
Ukraine - 885
United Arab Emirates - 205
United Kingdom - 13545
United States - 70279
United States minor outlying islands - 910
Uruguay - 385
Vatican City State - 75
Venezuela - 450
Vietnam - 150
Yugoslavia - 240

[Gatt9]

Sipau Fade wrote...

@incinx

Thats all I'm saying too man. An estimated 1.5 mil bought it. This move my is a vocal minority of the people who bought the game.

Question, why is being labeled a vocal minority such a bad thing to you people. I've seen you get so upset by this. Just own it. Your a small percentage of the buyers.

Your math isn't telling you what you think it's telling you.

EA's initial shipment - 3.8 million units.
Esitmates sold - 1.5 million units.

Which means they sold only 40% of what they thought they'd sell.  This is pretty much considered a disaster,  it explains why the price is being cut,  and it puts EA at risk of being forced to buy back unsold copies.

Rather than hypothesizing about how many people hate the ending,  what you really should be taking away is that the word-of-mouth is bad enough that all of EA's projections are shot.

[AJRimmsey]

Gatt9 wrote...

Sipau Fade wrote...

@incinx

Thats all I'm saying too man. An estimated 1.5 mil bought it. This move my is a vocal minority of the people who bought the game.

Question, why is being labeled a vocal minority such a bad thing to you people. I've seen you get so upset by this. Just own it. Your a small percentage of the buyers.

Your math isn't telling you what you think it's telling you.

EA's initial shipment - 3.8 million units.
Esitmates sold - 1.5 million units.

Which means they sold only 40% of what they thought they'd sell.  This is pretty much considered a disaster,  it explains why the price is being cut,  and it puts EA at risk of being forced to buy back unsold copies.

Rather than hypothesizing about how many people hate the ending,  what you really should be taking away is that the word-of-mouth is bad enough that all of EA's projections are shot.

those figures also ignore that many stores ran out of pre orders way before release.

truth is only the bean counters know how many were shipped,sold or returned.

but you can be sure the numbers you quote are not even close to fact.

even as a shareholder we dont get the figures needed to say what was sent or sold.
and that info alone is only once a year

Modifié par AJRimmsey, 11 avril 2012 - 04:05 .

[Dude_in_the_Room]

ChildOfEden wrote...

30,000 people in a Union Rally.

Now all you got to do is multiple this by two.

This is TROLL bait.

There is no Waldo in this picture!!!!

Modifié par Dude_in_the_Room, 11 avril 2012 - 04:06 .

[StarcloudSWG]

Look into customer service, returns, and complaints. Learn about the professional, peer-reviewed studies and surveys that show the ratio of complaining customers to dissatisfied customers who don't complain.

Yes, the number of people who complain about something is always going to be a small percentage of those who bought the product. And it's completely irrelevant that it's a small percentage. What matters is the total number, because about 4% of people who are dissatisfied with a product take action such as returning the product or complaining about it to the company.

60,000 people complaining about a product is a *disaster* from a retail perspective. Because those 60,000 people are only 4% of the people who are dissatisfied and upset.

[Sanctioned Psyker]

1.5 Million?  What?

Try 3.39 Million as of 31 March (and that doesn't include Origin downloads or any digital downloads).


http://www.vgchartz..../mass-effect-3/
http://www.vgchartz..../mass-effect-3/
http://www.vgchartz..../mass-effect-3/

Just to mention, VGchartz lists sales - not shipped units.  They sold 3.39 Million globally, all platforms (excluding digital).  They're also continuing to trend 100,000+ units sold per week.  


Oh, I know, Bioware is dying/game is failure/etc etc.  How rude of me to add cold facts to yet another bitter thread.

Modifié par Sanctioned Psyker, 11 avril 2012 - 04:18 .

[Murkman4683]

Good strong thread here, it has legs, let see how long it takes before personal jabs are thrown.

[Murkman4683]

kbct wrote...

ChildOfEden wrote...

http://www.retakemas...org/social.html
So I've just went to the retake website. 200,000 people from around the world have joined the petitions and the movement.
http://lugoentertain....com/me3ending/
The link above is a statics based off the number of people who joined country wise.

Wow, didn't realize it was over 200K now. Check out the country strength:

Afghanistan - 410
Argentina - 2726
Armenia - 300
Australia - 4561
Austria - 2235
Belarus - 540
Belgium - 2995
Bosnia and Herzegovina - 400
Brazil - 5910
Bulgaria - 810
Canada - 16060
Chile - 415
China - 1638
Colombia - 80
Croatia (Hrvatska) - 1260
Czech Republic - 1490
Denmark - 2145
Dominican Republic - 100
Egypt - 155
El Salvador - 300
Estonia - 395
Finland - 2970
France - 16194
France, Metropolitan - 1150
Germany - 12600
Greece - 1295
Hong Kong - 400
Hungary - 2145
Iceland - 165
India - 95
Indonesia - 250
Ireland - 1135
Israel - 1700
Italy - 785
Japan - 1905
Kazakhstan - 155
Korea, Democratic People's Republic of - 35
Korea, Republic of - 695
Latvia - 555
Lebanon - 150
Lithuania - 625
Luxembourg - 75
Macau - 75
Malaysia - 200
Mexico - 1335
Mozambique - 450
Nepal - 75
Netherlands - 4385
New Zealand - 1800
Norway - 3160
Philippines - 1175
Poland - 4860
Portugal - 915
Puerto Rico - 450
Romania - 1500
Russian Federation - 6750
Saudi Arabia - 40
Singapore - 1480
Slovakia - 305
Slovenia - 985
South Africa - 335
Spain - 2410
Sri Lanka - 320
Sweden - 3810
Switzerland - 705
Taiwan - 365
Thailand - 410
Tunisia - 155
Turkey - 1940
Ukraine - 885
United Arab Emirates - 205
United Kingdom - 13545
United States - 70279
United States minor outlying islands - 910
Uruguay - 385
Vatican City State - 75
Venezuela - 450
Vietnam - 150
Yugoslavia - 240

First of all half those countries don't even have working internet, let alone a PC that can run the darn game.  Next we will hear that RETAKE was fluffing their ranks with dead peoples names.  Doesn't take much to register a new email address and select a new country.  Shave 50% off that total and you are sitting pretty, take another 99% off that total and now you have the RETAKErs who post on BSN.

[mebtru]

Sanctioned Psyker wrote...

1.5 Million?  What?

Try 3.39 Million as of 31 March (and that doesn't include Origin downloads or any digital downloads).


http://www.vgchartz..../mass-effect-3/
http://www.vgchartz..../mass-effect-3/
http://www.vgchartz..../mass-effect-3/

Just to mention, VGchartz lists sales - not shipped units.  They sold 3.39 Million globally, all platforms (excluding digital).  They're also continuing to trend 100,000+ units sold per week.  


Oh, I know, Bioware is dying/game is failure/etc etc.  How rude of me to add cold facts to yet another bitter thread.

vgchartz
cold facts.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.