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[Icinix]

Murkman4683 wrote...
First of all half those countries don't even have working internet, let alone a PC that can run the darn game.  Next we will hear that RETAKE was fluffing their ranks with dead peoples names.  Doesn't take much to register a new email address and select a new country.  Shave 50% off that total and you are sitting pretty, take another 99% off that total and now you have the RETAKErs who post on BSN.

 You don't get out much do you?

[Dude_in_the_Room]

Murkman4683 wrote...

kbct wrote...

ChildOfEden wrote...

http://www.retakemas...org/social.html
So I've just went to the retake website. 200,000 people from around the world have joined the petitions and the movement.
http://lugoentertain....com/me3ending/
The link above is a statics based off the number of people who joined country wise.

Wow, didn't realize it was over 200K now. Check out the country strength:

Afghanistan - 410
Argentina - 2726
Armenia - 300
Australia - 4561
Austria - 2235
Belarus - 540
Belgium - 2995
Bosnia and Herzegovina - 400
Brazil - 5910
Bulgaria - 810
Canada - 16060
Chile - 415
China - 1638
Colombia - 80
Croatia (Hrvatska) - 1260
Czech Republic - 1490
Denmark - 2145
Dominican Republic - 100
Egypt - 155
El Salvador - 300
Estonia - 395
Finland - 2970
France - 16194
France, Metropolitan - 1150
Germany - 12600
Greece - 1295
Hong Kong - 400
Hungary - 2145
Iceland - 165
India - 95
Indonesia - 250
Ireland - 1135
Israel - 1700
Italy - 785
Japan - 1905
Kazakhstan - 155
Korea, Democratic People's Republic of - 35
Korea, Republic of - 695
Latvia - 555
Lebanon - 150
Lithuania - 625
Luxembourg - 75
Macau - 75
Malaysia - 200
Mexico - 1335
Mozambique - 450
Nepal - 75
Netherlands - 4385
New Zealand - 1800
Norway - 3160
Philippines - 1175
Poland - 4860
Portugal - 915
Puerto Rico - 450
Romania - 1500
Russian Federation - 6750
Saudi Arabia - 40
Singapore - 1480
Slovakia - 305
Slovenia - 985
South Africa - 335
Spain - 2410
Sri Lanka - 320
Sweden - 3810
Switzerland - 705
Taiwan - 365
Thailand - 410
Tunisia - 155
Turkey - 1940
Ukraine - 885
United Arab Emirates - 205
United Kingdom - 13545
United States - 70279
United States minor outlying islands - 910
Uruguay - 385
Vatican City State - 75
Venezuela - 450
Vietnam - 150
Yugoslavia - 240

First of all half those countries don't even have working internet, let alone a PC that can run the darn game.  Next we will hear that RETAKE was fluffing their ranks with dead peoples names.  Doesn't take much to register a new email address and select a new country.  Shave 50% off that total and you are sitting pretty, take another 99% off that total and now you have the RETAKErs who post on BSN.

I don't listen to the news all that much b/c more or less it all says "Life sucks and ppl make it worse" but isn't Egypt in chaos right now?

I would think they could care less about ME3.

[BiancoAngelo7]

kbct wrote...

ChildOfEden wrote...

http://www.retakemas...org/social.html
So I've just went to the retake website. 200,000 people from around the world have joined the petitions and the movement.
http://lugoentertain....com/me3ending/
The link above is a statics based off the number of people who joined country wise.

Wow, didn't realize it was over 200K now. Check out the country strength:

Afghanistan - 410
Argentina - 2726
Armenia - 300
Australia - 4561
Austria - 2235
Belarus - 540
Belgium - 2995
Bosnia and Herzegovina - 400
Brazil - 5910
Bulgaria - 810
Canada - 16060
Chile - 415
China - 1638
Colombia - 80
Croatia (Hrvatska) - 1260
Czech Republic - 1490
Denmark - 2145
Dominican Republic - 100
Egypt - 155
El Salvador - 300
Estonia - 395
Finland - 2970
France - 16194
France, Metropolitan - 1150
Germany - 12600
Greece - 1295
Hong Kong - 400
Hungary - 2145
Iceland - 165
India - 95
Indonesia - 250
Ireland - 1135
Israel - 1700
Italy - 785
Japan - 1905
Kazakhstan - 155
Korea, Democratic People's Republic of - 35
Korea, Republic of - 695
Latvia - 555
Lebanon - 150
Lithuania - 625
Luxembourg - 75
Macau - 75
Malaysia - 200
Mexico - 1335
Mozambique - 450
Nepal - 75
Netherlands - 4385
New Zealand - 1800
Norway - 3160
Philippines - 1175
Poland - 4860
Portugal - 915
Puerto Rico - 450
Romania - 1500
Russian Federation - 6750
Saudi Arabia - 40
Singapore - 1480
Slovakia - 305
Slovenia - 985
South Africa - 335
Spain - 2410
Sri Lanka - 320
Sweden - 3810
Switzerland - 705
Taiwan - 365
Thailand - 410
Tunisia - 155
Turkey - 1940
Ukraine - 885
United Arab Emirates - 205
United Kingdom - 13545
United States - 70279
United States minor outlying islands - 910
Uruguay - 385
Vatican City State - 75
Venezuela - 450
Vietnam - 150
Yugoslavia - 240

Holy crap I didn't realize so many had registered....one can only imagine how many people who aren't PC involved (like on forums etc) for Mass Effect games havent expressed their distaste if so many have already....

[mauro2222]

Murkman4683 wrote...

First of all half those countries don't even have working internet, let alone a PC that can run the darn game.  Next we will hear that RETAKE was fluffing their ranks with dead peoples names.  Doesn't take much to register a new email address and select a new country.  Shave 50% off that total and you are sitting pretty, take another 99% off that total and now you have the RETAKErs who post on BSN.

And you know because?.... what? you have small pieces of your body living in every country?

Modifié par mauro2222, 11 avril 2012 - 04:42 .

[Chromie]

1.5 million? Isn't that low compared to ME2?

How much did ME2 sell in it's first month?

[lillitheris]

Is the OP a good sample (pun intended) of the intellectual capabilities of the pro-enders?

[x] Fail at basic arithmetic.
[x] Have no idea about sampling.
[x] Talk with utter conviction regardless.

Modifié par lillitheris, 11 avril 2012 - 05:15 .

[YR_Lim]

javierabegazo wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

javierabegazo wrote...

lol. I'm happy *MOST* of our community understands basic math.

You're not a mod anymore? 

Nope, I was too forward and outspoken, and crossed the new "site rules of conduct".   After all is said and done, I can't muster up enough feeling to be really disappointed

That is really ****ed up...

[hippanda]

http://www.cpmr.org..../Articles/5.pdf

For every one complaint received, the average company has 26 unhappy customers it never hears from; six of these customers have problems that are considered "serious" problems.

So, for your average product, you'll hear approximately 4% of dissatisfied customers voice their complaints. If you estimate the size of the "retake" movement at 60,000 people (conservative estimate), that implies there would be 1,500,000 total dissatisfied customers.

We've already run into a problem: we only expect ~50% of people who purchase the game to finish the single player campaign, so those people would have no opinion on the ending one way or the other. This makes the estimate of 1,500,000 dissatisfied people unreasonable, because it's probably in excess of 50% of all ME3 sales (vgchartz data will be unreliable until the 10 week period, when their "estimates" will be replaced with official data).

As a result, we're forced to reach a conclusion: this is not a typical case (i.e. more than 4% of dissatisfied customers are voicing their opinion). But how much more? I can't imagine it'd be more than 8-12% (we're already talking 2-3x the normal rate), so it's hard to imagine any realistic scenario where the people who are dissatisfied by the ending aren't in the majority.

[Buffy-Summers]

An unknown IP called Amalur also with EA sold 1 million

The final game of a HUGE AAA game trilogy should have outsold it by millions not by a measly 500k

[Ket-Bo]

kbct wrote...


Afghanistan - 410
Argentina - 2726
Armenia - 300
Australia - 4561
Austria - 2235
Belarus - 540
Belgium - 2995
Bosnia and Herzegovina - 400
Brazil - 5910
Bulgaria - 810
Canada - 16060
Chile - 415
China - 1638
Colombia - 80
Croatia (Hrvatska) - 1260
Czech Republic - 1490
Denmark - 2145
Dominican Republic - 100
Egypt - 155
El Salvador - 300
Estonia - 395
Finland - 2970
France - 16194
France, Metropolitan - 1150
Germany - 12600
Greece - 1295
Hong Kong - 400
Hungary - 2145
Iceland - 165
India - 95
Indonesia - 250
Ireland - 1135
Israel - 1700
Italy - 785
Japan - 1905
Kazakhstan - 155
Korea, Democratic People's Republic of - 35
Korea, Republic of - 695
Latvia - 555
Lebanon - 150
Lithuania - 625
Luxembourg - 75
Macau - 75
Malaysia - 200
Mexico - 1335
Mozambique - 450
Nepal - 75
Netherlands - 4385
New Zealand - 1800
Norway - 3160
Philippines - 1175
Poland - 4860
Portugal - 915
Puerto Rico - 450
Romania - 1500
Russian Federation - 6750
Saudi Arabia - 40
Singapore - 1480
Slovakia - 305
Slovenia - 985
South Africa - 335
Spain - 2410
Sri Lanka - 320
Sweden - 3810
Switzerland - 705
Taiwan - 365
Thailand - 410
Tunisia - 155
Turkey - 1940
Ukraine - 885
United Arab Emirates - 205
United Kingdom - 13545
United States - 70279
United States minor outlying islands - 910
Uruguay - 385
Vatican City State - 75
Venezuela - 450
Vietnam - 150
Yugoslavia - 240

Well some of this Numbers do look odd.  More than Twice as many people from Indonesia than from India? 35 People form North Korea? 75 from the Vatican City State (which has a population of about 880 People)? I don't know if these Numbers are really trustworthy.

Modifié par Ket-Bo, 11 avril 2012 - 06:14 .

[bigbade]

keeping in mind, EA'S tracking statistics often go to show that somewhere around ~50% of people ever see the game through. Halving a million leaves you with 500k and 200k/500k is more than 10%

Of course if you're counting opinions of people who don't know what their opinion is about then it's a minority.

[grimkillah]

Only 1.5million? I thought game like ME or other AAA titles could sell well into 150 millions worldwide. Perhaps I got a inflated sense how many people play video games out there. but only 1.5million?

[Tymvir]

1.5m isn't very impressive for a AAA title, especially after trying to appeal to everyone. A deep, complex single-player RPG like Skyrim sold far more than that, so maybe they should have tried to appeal to the RPG audience afterall. But instead of using Skyrim as an example, they looked to Call of Duty.

Modifié par Tymvir, 11 avril 2012 - 07:49 .

[Faridle]

1,5 million is an really low sales number for an AAA title.
http://vgsales.wikia...mes_of_all-time

Based on an Forbes article from 2008. Granted some of these games had been out for an year atleast when these numbers came in but with the price slashing of ME3 on retailstores I dont think its getting much sales going.

Halo 2 (2004) - 6.61 million
Call Of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (2007) - 6.25 million
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (2004) - 9.4 million

And to compare with Skyrim 
http://www.vgchartz....ts-in-two-days/  3.4 million copies sold two days after launch store retail numbers ie not including sales on Steam

Modifié par Faridle, 11 avril 2012 - 07:56 .

[Chromie]

Tymvir wrote...

1.5m isn't very impressive for a AAA title, especially after trying to appeal to everyone. A deep, complex single-player RPG like Skyrim sold far more than that, so maybe they should have tried to appeal to the RPG audience afterall.

Lol oh you.

1.5 isn't good though considering it's on ALL PLATFORMS. Now if it were say exclusive and from some studio most people don't know of like Witcher 2 then it would be something else.

[Rahmorak]

To the OP, you are making far too many assumptions.

As an example I don't know anyone who bought the game that was happy with the ending (quite the opposite), however none of them post on or even read the forums. Heck I feel quite strongly about the ending but have never signed up for the Retake movement.

Even if you look at BSN, as a 'sample' the figures in the poll (and others like it) which show the majority unhappy with the ending are far more likely to give a better picture than the fallacies you have presented in this thread.

[Dude_in_the_Room]

I read somewhere that it sold 1.5 million in the first week....

You can laugh at where I'm going to say I getting some sales figures, but theres nothing to prove that any other place is better.

As of right now VGChartz says ME3 has sold like 3.4 million....so I don't know where this all is coming from.

[karek]

An article with a number that comes from someone who sources Micheal Patcher, the man who famously said 80% of shipped units is a realistic sales rate to justify the point you're also trying to make is a bad idea. Especially when the new estimate based on semi-informed firm data is HALF of that.

It's also worth note that this took place as an estimate on an INVESTOR call that's pretty much sourceless from what I've seen AND the game sold  890,000 on the first retail day in the US. Which puts both of those estimates in a very bad light, It means that this estimate has the game selling just slightly more in the last two months than in the first day. Bad.


I'll just leave this here and remind y'all that this was supposedly a game that would help bring EA back from behind. This and SW:TOR which represents their new direction.

Modifié par karek, 11 avril 2012 - 08:01 .

[karek]

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

I read somewhere that it sold 1.5 million in the first week....

You can laugh at where I'm going to say I getting some sales figures, but theres nothing to prove that any other place is better.

As of right now VGChartz says ME3 has sold like 3.4 million....so I don't know where this all is coming from.

That's the shipped number(what was sent to retailers) that keeps coming up actually. The sales number is significantly lower.

[Sevorast]

OP is a total moron. Disregard.

[RukiaKuchki]

You can't simply upscale polls to represent 100% of the population. It's statistically inaccurate. Really basic stuff. If 90% of the people on this site don't like the ending, all it means is that 90% of the people on this site don't like the ending. You can continually quote polls for all and any random specialist gamesite which will only tell you the same thing - the % of people who visit that particular site who hate it. The number of people who visit specialist sites like BSN is small relative to the number of people who have bought the game, so polls are always biased and you need to add a correction factor for that. I know it makes people feel part of something really special to be a member of this wave of dis-content, but I've wrote this before and I will write it again - most people who bought the game probably couldn't care less about the ending. It was 30 hours of something to do, and they've moved on (or didn't even finish the game). The vast majority of the time, the people who post on forums are the ones who are not happy - check any forum or discussion page and the vast majority of comments are negative. I know people will reply to this comment with ''Yes, but I have X number friends who also hate the ending but haven't replied to any poll/aren't members of BSN''. This is probably true, but again, the population sample is biased to a particular age/sex/social demographic etc.

In short, polls don't really tell you that much.

[Eterna]

This thread is just terrible.

[Dr_Extrem]

who ever claims that only 100k peoply are unhappy with the ending, should read a book or at least the wikipwdia-articles about representativity, quotas and statistics.


example:

mass effect 3 - or better to say - the "endings" of this game even made it into germanys biggest newspaper - "die bildzeitung". there was an online-poll about how many peoply liked the ending - my vote was nr. 12k-something and the poll was at 71% who did not like it.

but "bildzeitung" has a lot of readers. it reaches over 12 million people (there are "only" about 81,8 million germans). but in fact the online-article, handling the mass effect 3 ending, is mostly read by people, who are bothering themselves with the subject and only they will vote on this poll. so this is quite representative.


everybody who claims that the "vocal minority" consists of all the peoply who are part of a certain group and the rest is just not unhappy, is either "not the brightest lightbulb" or just at the brink of loosing his/her sanity.

this is prooven by the fact, that i had an hour-long chat with a guildmate, who loves mass effect an much as i do and he is very unhappy with the ending. in his opinion, the game is ruined by y the last 10 minutes.

he is not a visitor of this forum.



i want to apologise for my bad spelling - i´m german.


p.s. after i got spoilert by some random d**b-f**k, i read about the ending - i don´t like it either and i will only by the game, if the planed dlc delivers.

[xkg]

karek wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

I read somewhere that it sold 1.5 million in the first week....

You can laugh at where I'm going to say I getting some sales figures, but theres nothing to prove that any other place is better.

As of right now VGChartz says ME3 has sold like 3.4 million....so I don't know where this all is coming from.

That's the shipped number(what was sent to retailers) that keeps coming up actually. The sales number is significantly lower.

Actually it is not. VGChartz numbers are sold number not shipped. Their data are not 100% accurate of course - sales are probably higher than that (simply because they can't get sale numbers from every single retailer).

So you can say that sales are higher than that - but you can't say they are lower.
That means - as of now ME3 sold AT LEAST 3,4 mils of units (that doesn't include digital sales).

So TBH ME3 is selling very good, and much much better than ME2 (at least in first 4 weeks).
Sales trend seems similar to that of ME2 so there is no any indication of sales drop due to this ending fiasco.

And because I am little bored now I made this, take a look :



Oh and btw - lol @those who says "lololo vgchartz suxorzzz". Don't even try.

Modifié par xkg, 11 avril 2012 - 09:33 .

[DaJe]

xkg wrote...

karek wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

I read somewhere that it sold 1.5 million in the first week....

You can laugh at where I'm going to say I getting some sales figures, but theres nothing to prove that any other place is better.

As of right now VGChartz says ME3 has sold like 3.4 million....so I don't know where this all is coming from.

That's the shipped number(what was sent to retailers) that keeps coming up actually. The sales number is significantly lower.

Actually it is not. VGChartz numbers are sold number not shipped. Their data are not 100% accurate of course - sales are probably higher than that (simply because they can't get sale numbers from every single retailer).

So you can say that sales are higher than that - but you can't say they are lower.
That means - as of now ME3 sold AT LEAST 3,4 mils of units (that doesn't include digital sales).

So TBH ME3 is selling very good, and much much better than ME2 (at least in first 4 weeks).
Sales trend seems similar to that of ME2 so there is no any indication of sales drop due to this ending fiasco.

And because I am little bored now I made this, take a look :



Oh and btw - lol @those who says "lololo vgchartz suxorzzz". Don't even try.

Does this take returns into account?

And if this graph is somewhat accurate then the drop after week one is insane which usually speaks for a game that can't hold up to it's hype through actual quality.

I really wonder how you can not see that drop...

Modifié par DaJe, 11 avril 2012 - 09:33 .