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[xkg]

DaJe wrote...

xkg wrote...

karek wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

I read somewhere that it sold 1.5 million in the first week....

You can laugh at where I'm going to say I getting some sales figures, but theres nothing to prove that any other place is better.

As of right now VGChartz says ME3 has sold like 3.4 million....so I don't know where this all is coming from.

That's the shipped number(what was sent to retailers) that keeps coming up actually. The sales number is significantly lower.

Actually it is not. VGChartz numbers are sold number not shipped. Their data are not 100% accurate of course - sales are probably higher than that (simply because they can't get sale numbers from every single retailer).

So you can say that sales are higher than that - but you can't say they are lower.
That means - as of now ME3 sold AT LEAST 3,4 mils of units (that doesn't include digital sales).

So TBH ME3 is selling very good, and much much better than ME2 (at least in first 4 weeks).
Sales trend seems similar to that of ME2 so there is no any indication of sales drop due to this ending fiasco.

And because I am little bored now I made this, take a look :



Oh and btw - lol @those who says "lololo vgchartz suxorzzz". Don't even try.

Does this take returns into account?

And if this graph is somewhat accurate then the drop after week one is insane which usually speaks for a game that can't hold up to it's hype through actual quality.

I really wonder how you can not see that drop...

1st week sales are so high in both cases because of pre-orders. 2nd week is where normal sales begins.

Modifié par xkg, 11 avril 2012 - 09:44 .

[Dridengx]

interesting thread to say the least though the figures are a bit wrong. it's 3.4 Million sold and if the anti -enders are at 200k that still hurts them because it used to be 52k at 1.6 million, 56k at 2.4 million, 62k at 2.6 million, and now its 200k at 3.4 million? still a very little minority they are

Modifié par Dridengx, 11 avril 2012 - 09:39 .

[Dr_Extrem]

Dridengx wrote...

interesting thread to say the least though the figures are a bit wrong. it's 3.4 Million sold and if the anti -enders are at 200k that still hurts them because it used to be 52k at 1.6 million, 56k at 2.4 million, 62k at 2.6 million, and now its 200k at 3.4 million? still a very little minority they are

nope ...

only if you show me/us a group of 3.2 million users, joining groups who represent a clear opposition.


representativity, quotas and statistics.


or you make (phone) interviews of ALL the people who played the game - only in this case you can be sure.

Modifié par Dr_Extrem, 11 avril 2012 - 09:45 .

[Kakita Tatsumaru]

Someone to explain to OP how survey works?

[Rabid Rooster]

Even if it were only 60,000 of us, look at it this way, if those 60,000 people only bought the retail and not collectors edtion or DLC thats $3,600,000. Thats not cump change by any means and thats almost 4 mil in revnue that EA and Bio are risking not getting on future games.

[Edrick1976]

Remmember about 1.2 million of these sales where Pre-Orders and did not know how bad the ending was...

[Dude_in_the_Room]

DaJe wrote...

xkg wrote...

karek wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

I read somewhere that it sold 1.5 million in the first week....

You can laugh at where I'm going to say I getting some sales figures, but theres nothing to prove that any other place is better.

As of right now VGChartz says ME3 has sold like 3.4 million....so I don't know where this all is coming from.

That's the shipped number(what was sent to retailers) that keeps coming up actually. The sales number is significantly lower.

Actually it is not. VGChartz numbers are sold number not shipped. Their data are not 100% accurate of course - sales are probably higher than that (simply because they can't get sale numbers from every single retailer).

So you can say that sales are higher than that - but you can't say they are lower.
That means - as of now ME3 sold AT LEAST 3,4 mils of units (that doesn't include digital sales).

So TBH ME3 is selling very good, and much much better than ME2 (at least in first 4 weeks).
Sales trend seems similar to that of ME2 so there is no any indication of sales drop due to this ending fiasco.

And because I am little bored now I made this, take a look :



Oh and btw - lol @those who says "lololo vgchartz suxorzzz". Don't even try.

Does this take returns into account?

And if this graph is somewhat accurate then the drop after week one is insane which usually speaks for a game that can't hold up to it's hype through actual quality.

I really wonder how you can not see that drop...

The drop is perfectly normal for any big release.

[Dude_in_the_Room]

Edington wrote...

Remmember about 1.2 million of these sales where Pre-Orders and did not know how bad the ending was...

And it took about a week for that news to break and by that time the major sales had already happened.  So, no, the sales don't reflect the Retake movement or anything.

None of the complaining has hurt EA/Bioware.

Modifié par Dude_in_the_Room, 11 avril 2012 - 10:07 .

[incinerator950]

That decline is normal.

[aberdash]

xkg wrote...

Oh and btw - lol @those who says "lololo vgchartz suxorzzz". Don't even try.

Lol. You even know vgchartz has a history of being nowhere near accurate and you use it anyways.
www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php

Modifié par aberdash, 11 avril 2012 - 11:06 .

[_symphony]

I fail at statistics thread.

[AkiKishi]

They sold 1.5 million of the 3.5 million they shipped ? Explains the low prices.

[xkg]

aberdash wrote...

xkg wrote...

Oh and btw - lol @those who says "lololo vgchartz suxorzzz". Don't even try.

Lol. You even know vgchartz has a history of being nowhere near accurate and you use it anyways.
www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php

Well, 1 year ago when BW declared that DA2 sold 1 mill untis vgchartz showed ~920k. So they are pretty damn accurate. Your 4 years old article proves nothing.

Both game sales data were gathered by vgchartz using  the same methods. So even if you don't want to belive in raw numbers you can't deny the sales trends (ME3 - ME2). Both are similar.

Conclusion. Game is selling normal despite all the drama.
I know you guys are desperate to find any kind of proof that the ending were bad and they are hurting BW/EA - but the sales are not in your favour. Sorry.

And to be perfectly clear . All I am saying here is completly unbiased. I am not trying to defend BW/EA3 - I don't even like ME3 tbh, and my stance on "endings" is neutral. But this whole retake thing and the drama around the endings is getting little too far.

[Zkyire]

Ket-Bo wrote...

kbct wrote...


Afghanistan - 410
Argentina - 2726
Armenia - 300
Australia - 4561
Austria - 2235
Belarus - 540
Belgium - 2995
Bosnia and Herzegovina - 400
Brazil - 5910
Bulgaria - 810
Canada - 16060
Chile - 415
China - 1638
Colombia - 80
Croatia (Hrvatska) - 1260
Czech Republic - 1490
Denmark - 2145
Dominican Republic - 100
Egypt - 155
El Salvador - 300
Estonia - 395
Finland - 2970
France - 16194
France, Metropolitan - 1150
Germany - 12600
Greece - 1295
Hong Kong - 400
Hungary - 2145
Iceland - 165
India - 95
Indonesia - 250
Ireland - 1135
Israel - 1700
Italy - 785
Japan - 1905
Kazakhstan - 155
Korea, Democratic People's Republic of - 35
Korea, Republic of - 695
Latvia - 555
Lebanon - 150
Lithuania - 625
Luxembourg - 75
Macau - 75
Malaysia - 200
Mexico - 1335
Mozambique - 450
Nepal - 75
Netherlands - 4385
New Zealand - 1800
Norway - 3160
Philippines - 1175
Poland - 4860
Portugal - 915
Puerto Rico - 450
Romania - 1500
Russian Federation - 6750
Saudi Arabia - 40
Singapore - 1480
Slovakia - 305
Slovenia - 985
South Africa - 335
Spain - 2410
Sri Lanka - 320
Sweden - 3810
Switzerland - 705
Taiwan - 365
Thailand - 410
Tunisia - 155
Turkey - 1940
Ukraine - 885
United Arab Emirates - 205
United Kingdom - 13545
United States - 70279
United States minor outlying islands - 910
Uruguay - 385
Vatican City State - 75
Venezuela - 450
Vietnam - 150
Yugoslavia - 240

Well some of this Numbers do look odd.  More than Twice as many people from Indonesia than from India? 35 People form North Korea? 75 from the Vatican City State (which has a population of about 880 People)? I don't know if these Numbers are really trustworthy.

Damnit now I have the mental image of the Pope and 74 Cardinals playing ME3.

[Ericus]

LOL

[kbct]

xkg wrote...

aberdash wrote...

xkg wrote...

Oh and btw - lol @those who says "lololo vgchartz suxorzzz". Don't even try.

Lol. You even know vgchartz has a history of being nowhere near accurate and you use it anyways.
www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php

Well, 1 year ago when BW declared that DA2 sold 1 mill untis vgchartz showed ~920k. So they are pretty damn accurate. Your 4 years old article proves nothing.

Both game sales data were gathered by vgchartz using  the same methods. So even if you don't want to belive in raw numbers you can't deny the sales trends (ME3 - ME2). Both are similar.

Conclusion. Game is selling normal despite all the drama.
I know you guys are desperate to find any kind of proof that the ending were bad and they are hurting BW/EA - but the sales are not in your favour. Sorry.

And to be perfectly clear . All I am saying here is completly unbiased. I am not trying to defend BW/EA3 - I don't even like ME3 tbh, and my stance on "endings" is neutral. But this whole retake thing and the drama around the endings is getting little too far.

It says in the article that VGChartz sales data can retroactively change by 100% or more. Bits of sales data comes from retailers and then they estimate the total sales. The methodology to estmate the sales can change dramatically which in turn can dramatically change the sales estimates.

In addition, VGChartz says there is zero actual data for the entire European market. That means it's pure extrapolation. What does that mean for the rest of the world? At least the North America has the NPD Group which uses actual sales data. VGChartz have dramatically changed their sales estimates when it conflicts with NPD Group data.

Here is one of the comments below the article:

"I work at a Videogame publisher and we definitely trust NPD more. Most people think NPD tends to under-report by at least 10% because their multiplier for Wal-Mart has a tendency to be off at the SKU level. VGChartz, on the other hand, is often referred to at the "Dirty Data" and people joke that the "data doesn't care where it came from."

There is conflicting evidence right now. Who is Cowen & Company and why did they estimate console sales at 1.5 million in March? Why is VGChartz sales estimate so much higher?

While I'll give VGChartz the benefit of the doubt that their estimates are in the right ballpark, I would like to see confirming evidence from other sources.

[kumquats]

Germany has to be 12600 - 1.

I only thought it would be awesome to be a war asset.

I'm sorry. Everyone hated the ending and I just wanted to be cool and mainstream.

[kbct]

Rahmorak wrote...

To the OP, you are making far too many assumptions.

As an example I don't know anyone who bought the game that was happy with the ending (quite the opposite), however none of them post on or even read the forums. Heck I feel quite strongly about the ending but have never signed up for the Retake movement.

Even if you look at BSN, as a 'sample' the figures in the poll (and others like it) which show the majority unhappy with the ending are far more likely to give a better picture than the fallacies you have presented in this thread.

The anecdotal evidence I've seen points to the same percentages off the forum as on the forum. Same lopsided percentage from lurkers too.

Also, looking at that list of 200K+ from the Retake site, what percentage of the total speak English? Lots of French, German, Polish, and Russian Retakers. Lots from Spanish speaking countries too. Not all of them can come to BSN and post in English.

[Dr_Extrem]

kumquats wrote...

Germany has to be 12600 - 1.

I only thought it would be awesome to be a war asset.

I'm sorry. Everyone hated the ending and I just wanted to be cool and mainstream.

so add my voice ... i am not on facebook (fratzenbuch) but i dont like the ending either.

can i retake a game i did not even order because the ending s***s?

Modifié par Dr_Extrem, 11 avril 2012 - 01:30 .

[kbct]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

kumquats wrote...

Germany has to be 12600 - 1.

I only thought it would be awesome to be a war asset.

I'm sorry. Everyone hated the ending and I just wanted to be cool and mainstream.

so add my voice ... i am not on facebook (fratzenbuch) but i dont like the ending either.

can i retake a game i did not even order because the ending s***s?

I don't have a Facebook account nor have I signed up for any movement. The numbers revealed at these various sites are greater than what is shown.

[DoctorEss]

 All I'll say is this is a really lame attempt at trolling the retake folks, because people didn't get disappointed with the ending until AFTER they purchased the game.

So it's sales don't really mean much.  What you COULD take away from this is that the sales aren't higher.  

[kumquats]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

kumquats wrote...

Germany has to be 12600 - 1.

I only thought it would be awesome to be a war asset.

I'm sorry. Everyone hated the ending and I just wanted to be cool and mainstream.

so add my voice ... i am not on facebook (fratzenbuch) but i dont like the ending either.

can i retake a game i did not even order because the ending s***s?

I'm not on fratzenbuch either. I think the balance has been restored.
Just to make sure the numbers are accurate.

[Alerithon]

Let's say there's 60K end haters. At $60 a pop, that's $3.6 million in retail sales...poof, gone from future Bioware and potentially EA sales. All because Bioware puts out a crappy product that fails to deliver on several key statements they made leading up to release. Most of which could be salvaged with additional product that many of the 60K are willing to pay for.

And Bioware decides..."nah, you keep that $3.6 million....for every game we release in the future."

You know what's more powerful than artistic integrity? Shareholder wrath. If EA's stock decline is in any way tied to ME3's poor reception, the EA shareholders will demand...and get...the action that Retakers could not get.

[pikey1969]

mebtru wrote...

Sanctioned Psyker wrote...

1.5 Million?  What?

Try 3.39 Million as of 31 March (and that doesn't include Origin downloads or any digital downloads).


http://www.vgchartz..../mass-effect-3/
http://www.vgchartz..../mass-effect-3/
http://www.vgchartz..../mass-effect-3/

Just to mention, VGchartz lists sales - not shipped units.  They sold 3.39 Million globally, all platforms (excluding digital).  They're also continuing to trend 100,000+ units sold per week.  


Oh, I know, Bioware is dying/game is failure/etc etc.  How rude of me to add cold facts to yet another bitter thread.

vgchartz
cold facts.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

ikr?