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[crazyrabbits]

Alerithon wrote...

You know what's more powerful than artistic integrity? Shareholder wrath. If EA's stock decline is in any way tied to ME3's poor reception, the EA shareholders will demand...and get...the action that Retakers could not get.

This is true. Hard losses or profits are the only thing that will really sway EA to take a course of action.

I've seen a lot of sales figures float all over the net over the last month, and a lot of (repetitive) arguments about whether 60,000 votes means anything.

As it has been indicated in multiple threads (by people who actually work in similar industries), 60,000 is a truly massive sample size. If the poll hit 1,000 or 5,000, you could probably dismiss it by saying it didn't even represent the BSN. However, this poll went like wildfire everywhere - social media sites, business blogs, gaming sites, etc. It's much more than just the "hardcore base" that frequents these boards, and it's a legitimate sample of the wider population.

If the C&C estimate is correct (as it was reported to investors), and if the 890,000 first-day sales figure is also correct, that means it only sold an extra 650,000 or so companies in three weeks afterwards, That doesn't seem like a great victory to me.

[Ket-Bo]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

who ever claims that only 100k peoply are unhappy with the ending, should read a book or at least the wikipwdia-articles about representativity, quotas and statistics.


example:

mass effect 3 - or better to say - the "endings" of this game even made it into germanys biggest newspaper - "die bildzeitung". there was an online-poll about how many peoply liked the ending - my vote was nr. 12k-something and the poll was at 71% who did not like it.

but "bildzeitung" has a lot of readers. it reaches over 12 million people (there are "only" about 81,8 million germans). but in fact the online-article, handling the mass effect 3 ending, is mostly read by people, who are bothering themselves with the subject and only they will vote on this poll. so this is quite representative.


everybody who claims that the "vocal minority" consists of all the peoply who are part of a certain group and the rest is just not unhappy, is either "not the brightest lightbulb" or just at the brink of loosing his/her sanity.

this is prooven by the fact, that i had an hour-long chat with a guildmate, who loves mass effect an much as i do and he is very unhappy with the ending. in his opinion, the game is ruined by y the last 10 minutes.

he is not a visitor of this forum.



i want to apologise for my bad spelling - i´m german.


p.s. after i got spoilert by some random d**b-f**k, i read about the ending - i don´t like it either and i will only by the game, if the planed dlc delivers.

Did you mean this Poll? Because they number for given votes under it says only 5000. And on a Sidenote, never trust the Numbers that you get from the Bild, especially not those Claims of 12 Million people "reached" which is nothing else than PR-BS.

[Dr_Extrem]

sorry .. i messed up that number ...

bild reaches a lot of people - i think that 12mio are possible, since a lot of people read the "bild" without buying it. (coworkers, family ect.) and they have a solid internet presence.


but a lot of polls (no matter how big and where they are) show similar trends. extrapolation is the keyword.

[Ket-Bo]

Zkyire wrote...

Ket-Bo wrote...

kbct wrote...


Afghanistan - 410
Argentina - 2726
Armenia - 300
Australia - 4561
Austria - 2235
Belarus - 540
Belgium - 2995
Bosnia and Herzegovina - 400
Brazil - 5910
Bulgaria - 810
Canada - 16060
Chile - 415
China - 1638
Colombia - 80
Croatia (Hrvatska) - 1260
Czech Republic - 1490
Denmark - 2145
Dominican Republic - 100
Egypt - 155
El Salvador - 300
Estonia - 395
Finland - 2970
France - 16194
France, Metropolitan - 1150
Germany - 12600
Greece - 1295
Hong Kong - 400
Hungary - 2145
Iceland - 165
India - 95
Indonesia - 250
Ireland - 1135
Israel - 1700
Italy - 785
Japan - 1905
Kazakhstan - 155
Korea, Democratic People's Republic of - 35
Korea, Republic of - 695
Latvia - 555
Lebanon - 150
Lithuania - 625
Luxembourg - 75
Macau - 75
Malaysia - 200
Mexico - 1335
Mozambique - 450
Nepal - 75
Netherlands - 4385
New Zealand - 1800
Norway - 3160
Philippines - 1175
Poland - 4860
Portugal - 915
Puerto Rico - 450
Romania - 1500
Russian Federation - 6750
Saudi Arabia - 40
Singapore - 1480
Slovakia - 305
Slovenia - 985
South Africa - 335
Spain - 2410
Sri Lanka - 320
Sweden - 3810
Switzerland - 705
Taiwan - 365
Thailand - 410
Tunisia - 155
Turkey - 1940
Ukraine - 885
United Arab Emirates - 205
United Kingdom - 13545
United States - 70279
United States minor outlying islands - 910
Uruguay - 385
Vatican City State - 75
Venezuela - 450
Vietnam - 150
Yugoslavia - 240

Well some of this Numbers do look odd.  More than Twice as many people from Indonesia than from India? 35 People form North Korea? 75 from the Vatican City State (which has a population of about 880 People)? I don't know if these Numbers are really trustworthy.

Damnit now I have the mental image of the Pope and 74 Cardinals playing ME3.

Those 75 People are only those who have voted at the this Site, while the actual Number of people who have bought the Game should be higher.
As an example 200,000 People have registered at Retake while the  Number of Games sold is estimated somwhere between 1.5 and 3.5 Million. Let's assume for the sake of simplicity that ME3 sold 2 Million Copies worldwide.
This means that 10% of all those who have bought the Game took the Time to go to Retake and complained while 90% of them preferred not do so regardless of their reasons.
Let's assume further that this ratio is more or less the same in every country. This would mean that the actual Number of Games sold in the Vatican City State would be approximately 750 Copies.
So almost the whole Vatican City State should have bought Mass Effect 3!

I do wonder what LI-Option they took.

Modifié par Ket-Bo, 11 avril 2012 - 02:49 .

[chengthao]

Sipau Fade wrote...

Good correction on that math. Didn't carry the zeros. So instead of half a percent it's 6.666%. You guys are still the devil and still a minority.

your arguement is invalid b/c you assume everyone who has ME3 also has a BSN account and only those who were disappointed complained

1 million ppl signed a petition to have Trayvon Martin's killer arrested . . . . by your logic since the US has over 300 million ppl, only the vocal minority want George Zimmerman (Trayvon's killer) arrested . . . . that's far from the truth

[Rixxencaxx]

well it appears that the last success of Bioware was Dragon age origins.....Dragon age 2 was like a punch in the head...and mass effect 3 definitely killed bioware sales....
Looking forward to dragon age 3. Pretty sure it will be a blockbuster as they understood how much they failed trying to appeal to a wider audience.

Modifié par Rixxencaxx, 11 avril 2012 - 02:56 .

[LEYN0S]

BobSmith101 wrote...

They sold 1.5 million of the 3.5 million they shipped ? Explains the low prices.

It could certainly explain why all the major retailers in the UK, (both in town stores and online) have been desperately flogging ME3 at between £20-  £25, for the last two weeks.


Sad really.

Modifié par LEYN0S, 11 avril 2012 - 02:57 .

[chimpdaddy121]

LEYN0S wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

They sold 1.5 million of the 3.5 million they shipped ? Explains the low prices.

It could certainly explain why all the major retailers in the UK, (both in town stores and online) have been desperately flogging ME3 at between £20-  £25, for the last two weeks.


Sad really.

This

plus i would really like to know the figures of that 1.5 mil that have been retuned, could it then be closed to under a mill sold.

if so that is really pitiful to the 3.5 mil shipped.

in any language this would mean me3 was a failure and even though people tought that it may have sold more than me2, in the eyes of EA/ Shareholders it is i bigger failure then bulletstorm for which the 2nd one got canned.

like another post in this thread. artistic intergrity means nothing, a spec of dog poo if the game does not sell well and make a huge profit for the shareholder.

artists welcome to consumerism

[da mighty rEAper]

you do triple suck it op, for ign, ea and your math, pathetic fanboy haha

[Krogangreetings]

Dam man..

it's a nice number don't get me wrong but where are the Call of Duty numbers they and every other company are chasing?

it's almost as if changing your focus to casual fans is not the way to go... no that can't be true!

[Rixxencaxx]

Meanwhile at Bioware....
EA: Hey Bioware....you sold 4 million copies of DAO....long development cycle and only 4millions??? thake a look at activiosion's cod....they make one every year and sell 10 millions...i want cod audience!
Bioware: Yes we will create an awesome button mash fest and sell 10 millions....
A few months later.....
dragon age 2 launch....2 millions units sold...amid a fan ****storm...
EA: you failed Bioware, your games are too hardcore. I'll give you more time for mass effect 3 so you will add multiplayer. Masses love multiplayer!
Bioware: yes! and we will cut the end....only 50% of gamers ended mass effect 2! it's a waste of time!
EA: Nice idea!
A few months later....Me3 came....sold approx 1,5 millions amid an epic fan and media ****storm...
EA:Hey Bioware....never heard of westwood studios?
Bioware: Uh?

Modifié par Rixxencaxx, 11 avril 2012 - 03:28 .

[Midz]

Alerithon wrote...

Let's say there's 60K end haters. At $60 a pop, that's $3.6 million in retail sales...poof, gone from future Bioware and potentially EA sales. All because Bioware puts out a crappy product that fails to deliver on several key statements they made leading up to release. Most of which could be salvaged with additional product that many of the 60K are willing to pay for.

And Bioware decides..."nah, you keep that $3.6 million....for every game we release in the future."

You know what's more powerful than artistic integrity? Shareholder wrath. If EA's stock decline is in any way tied to ME3's poor reception, the EA shareholders will demand...and get...the action that Retakers could not get.

  ..there  demands  would probably  follow the lines of  not a new ending..but an end to supporting  this  type of game .


Developers do have  the right to make the game they  want , consumers  only right is  to decide   that  it is  not  the game for them.  There is  no right to demand  changes to assuage   groups A B C D  and more .To do so is a recipe for failure not sucess .
Mob rule has never been  particulary effective.

[crazyrabbits]

Seems like a lot of mistakes were made, not only in the content of the game itself, but the timing of the release. The C&C notice (and the other gaming sites that picked it up) noted that March was a weak time of the year to release what was basically as a "triple-AAA title". They likely just did it so they could have that "3-6-12" tagline.

I'd still like to know firm sales figures, though. If the final number for March is about 1.5 million (which is virtually the same as ME2's sales in the first month), that wouldn't be great.

You have to look at things comparatively. It's the reason why films like Superman Returns can gross $400 million and not be considered good enough for a sequel, after the cost-profit ratio and prior development costs are factored in.

[Mendelevosa]

Because EVERY SINGLE PERSON that was dissatisfied with ME3 took a poll and signed up for Retake ME3, right? (Sigh). Listen. These statistics only show a sample size of people who were either satisfied or unsatisfied with the game. Never has there been a situation where a survey has given results that accurately represents an entire group. Not even population polls are completely accurate, since many people don't even bother to take them. I must thank you OP. Threads like these are what give me great laughter. BSN would be boring without idiotic threads like this.

[Jeric]

All these statistics seems kind of pointless to me.I mean, do you really think EA/Bioware would be releasing FREE dlc to a "small" minority this soon? I don't know too many companies that would invest time/resources/money to please 6.6%(or whatever the % is right now) of their buyers. Heck, most companies would call 93% satisfactory a complete success and move on to the next project.

(sigh, I miss the old Bioware)

[ognick23]

Murkman4683 wrote...

kbct wrote...

ChildOfEden wrote...

http://www.retakemas...org/social.html
So I've just went to the retake website. 200,000 people from around the world have joined the petitions and the movement.
http://lugoentertain....com/me3ending/
The link above is a statics based off the number of people who joined country wise.

Wow, didn't realize it was over 200K now. Check out the country strength:

Afghanistan - 410
Argentina - 2726
Armenia - 300
Australia - 4561
Austria - 2235
Belarus - 540
Belgium - 2995
Bosnia and Herzegovina - 400
Brazil - 5910
Bulgaria - 810
Canada - 16060
Chile - 415
China - 1638
Colombia - 80
Croatia (Hrvatska) - 1260
Czech Republic - 1490
Denmark - 2145
Dominican Republic - 100
Egypt - 155
El Salvador - 300
Estonia - 395
Finland - 2970
France - 16194
France, Metropolitan - 1150
Germany - 12600
Greece - 1295
Hong Kong - 400
Hungary - 2145
Iceland - 165
India - 95
Indonesia - 250
Ireland - 1135
Israel - 1700
Italy - 785
Japan - 1905
Kazakhstan - 155
Korea, Democratic People's Republic of - 35
Korea, Republic of - 695
Latvia - 555
Lebanon - 150
Lithuania - 625
Luxembourg - 75
Macau - 75
Malaysia - 200
Mexico - 1335
Mozambique - 450
Nepal - 75
Netherlands - 4385
New Zealand - 1800
Norway - 3160
Philippines - 1175
Poland - 4860
Portugal - 915
Puerto Rico - 450
Romania - 1500
Russian Federation - 6750
Saudi Arabia - 40
Singapore - 1480
Slovakia - 305
Slovenia - 985
South Africa - 335
Spain - 2410
Sri Lanka - 320
Sweden - 3810
Switzerland - 705
Taiwan - 365
Thailand - 410
Tunisia - 155
Turkey - 1940
Ukraine - 885
United Arab Emirates - 205
United Kingdom - 13545
United States - 70279
United States minor outlying islands - 910
Uruguay - 385
Vatican City State - 75
Venezuela - 450
Vietnam - 150
Yugoslavia - 240

First of all half those countries don't even have working internet, let alone a PC that can run the darn game.  Next we will hear that RETAKE was fluffing their ranks with dead peoples names.  Doesn't take much to register a new email address and select a new country.  Shave 50% off that total and you are sitting pretty, take another 99% off that total and now you have the RETAKErs who post on BSN.

lmaoo yo man i almost fell out my chair reading this

[Rixxencaxx]

http://www.bbb.org/b...etter-or-worse/

Another ****storm incoming.....

[TJX2045]

Rixxencaxx wrote...

http://www.bbb.org/b...etter-or-worse/

Another ****storm incoming.....

“Along the way, your choices drive powerful outcomes, including relationships with key characters, the fate of entire civilizations, and even radically different ending scenarios.” 

LOL

Modifié par TJX2045, 11 avril 2012 - 04:22 .

[SpideyKnight]

 Let's see here, the TC just registered in Feb, pirated the game, and you are all chomping at the bit so bad that you still jumped all over it.  Congrats.

[Bocks]

Good to know you there's still people who can swallow Bioware's load.

[ognick23]

TJX2045 wrote...

Rixxencaxx wrote...

http://www.bbb.org/b...etter-or-worse/

Another ****storm incoming.....

“Along the way, your choices drive powerful outcomes, including relationships with key characters, the fate of entire civilizations, and even radically different ending scenarios.” 

LOL

lol well actually the ending are completely different but its the cutscenes at the end that make them seem the same, but hopefully the DLC changes that

[TJX2045]

ognick23 wrote...
lol well actually the ending are completely different but its the cutscenes at the end that make them seem the same, but hopefully the DLC changes that

Oh yeah, I know they're different.  Just not RADICALLY.    Unless people call subtle changes radical now, which in that case so much for unique epilogue scenes like Heavy Rain.

EDIT: Can I also state that the logic of "People bought Mass Effect, therefore the people who do not say anything on this forum or on Social networking websites regarding Retake Mass Effect loved the ending" is absolutely nonsensical?

Simply because NOT EVERYONE WHO PLAYS MASS EFFECT USES THIS FORUM, FACEBOOK, OR TWITTER.

So yes, the game may have sold very well.  This was also before all the chaos of the ending came out.  And once you buy a video game, you can't sell it back or get your money back from that company.

Please find me some statistics on those who loved the ending (LEGITIMATE POLLS aggregated and compared to those who hated/disliked it) to give some fair middle ground.  And only those on the same websites that share both sides of the coin with their polls.  OR EVEN compare the people on Facebook who "Loved" the ending and liked the pro-ending page on Facebook as compared to people who didn't and liked the "Retake" page.

Modifié par TJX2045, 11 avril 2012 - 04:38 .

[I Xandra I]

Sorry, but ofcourse ME3 wasn't about to sell very well. What do you expect from such rushed work...

Modifié par I Xandra I, 11 avril 2012 - 04:33 .

[Cazychel]

Ket-Bo wrote...

Did you mean this Poll? Because they number for given votes under it says only 5000. And on a Sidenote, never trust the Numbers that you get from the Bild, especially not those Claims of 12 Million people "reached" which is nothing else than PR-BS.

Yeah, "Bild" is not the best source to work with here.

There was a poll at gamestar.de with a lot more differentiation and about 25k participants. I would think it quite representative, as it is limited to German speaking PC gamers who visit gamestar. [No, I have not studied statistics, but I think it provides an acceptable sample.]

The question was: How do you like the finale [of Mass Effect 3]?

Results:
3.4 % liked the ending and expected such an ending.
6.0 % liked it, though being not what they expected.
10.0% were okay with it, but said it could have been better.
19.6% had not finished the game by the time of the poll.
8.5% were dissappointed with the ending.
57.3% said, it destroyed the franchise for them.

Cazy