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[Reaverwind]

Lacan2 wrote...

I'm already a mage and she was super annoying on my last playthrough. So much that I never used her.

This time, I killed her the moment she started spouting her drivel. Am I missing out on some epic sidequest by doing this? I never got any Wynne-related quests in the first playthrough.

Her sidequest ends up making her even more annoying if you're playing a mage. It's not so much epic as it's a test of how much sucking up to Wynne you can stomach.

[ejoslin]

I hate Wynne's sidequest. It shows her as an absolute circle tool. Which is why, if she survives the circle, I do it!

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Wynne side quest, while not spectacular, does get you a pretty sweet amulet, one of the better ones in the game for magic resistances. Another reason to love her former student: he forgave her long ago, moved on with his life, and to top it all off, gives her a useful piece of jewlery.



So the quest isn't a total waste. But as far as game mechanics go, Wynne is highly useful not only because her "special" talent, but the spirit healrer abilities are extremely useful, that you can rez your party in battle and group heal them. I prefer to leave Morrigan and pure damage dealer than multi-tasking her, and spec her as a blood mage.



If nothing else, Wynne provides a party member who you can enjoy telling off constantly and insulting her quite a bit, in most cases, with small approval drops. As well as the banter.

[AlgolagniaVolcae]

Wynne is pretty useless, the PC can make just as good a healer for the group. She's the single most annoying person in the game in my opinion.



If she wasn't a mage she'd be a revered mother, and since I tend to roll with an atheist party she doesn't fit in at all. Not to mention I can never keep her even if I wanted to, since I defile the ashes. Even if she hasn't been picked up from the tower she still knows what I did and leaves the first time I go to camp.

[Sabriana]

I found Morrigan does very well with the Spirit healer 'group healing' and the single heal spell. I also bet she's annoyed with my PC for making her learn that. However, I never miss Wynne. The only time I let her go with my PC is for Flemeth and the High Dragon. That is, if my RPing leans toward killing both. That's not always the case, though.

[Addai]

Her healing abilities are overrated IMO. My PC mage has wicked crowd control and many fights are over without anyone else breaking a nail. Morrigan can be brought to a similar usefulness pretty quickly, too.

[Reaverwind]

AlgolagniaVolcae wrote...

Wynne is pretty useless, the PC can make just as good a healer for the group. She's the single most annoying person in the game in my opinion.

If she wasn't a mage she'd be a revered mother, and since I tend to roll with an atheist party she doesn't fit in at all. Not to mention I can never keep her even if I wanted to, since I defile the ashes. Even if she hasn't been picked up from the tower she still knows what I did and leaves the first time I go to camp.

Heck, I even ended up killing her on my frst play-through with a Dalish elf, who was mostly convinced (by Greagoir) that every mage in the tower had turned into an Abomination. I never saw the need for having a dedicated healer along.

[errant_knight]

You miss some great dialogue, and she's very useful if you don't want to spec yourself as a healer. I don't get all the Wynne hate, myself. I like her, and along with Alistair, gives very useful warnings when you're heading down paths that don't lead to a 'good' ending. It's valuable to know, even if your PC can't always follow her advice. The only time I haven't is with choosing love over duty (the dark ritual), and I fully expect that to lead to trouble, if not necessarily the trouble that one might expect.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

I like to keep my companions equipped and specced with things that seem, for me, in keeping with their mentality/nature, so I like to keep Morrigan as the hexing, damage dealing witch. And, talent points, i prefer to spend with her on developing her more lethal spells and combinations. Which is why I never spec her with spirit healing, both from talent point conservation, and RP perspective. it's not efficient, but I keep it that way.



Wynne's preaching about relationships are the least irritaing part of her as a companion, I just tell her off and ignore the cow. It's mostly her other dialogue and liberal dispensation of "advice" that is sanctimonious and really irritating, as well as her views on alot of things having the smell of hypocrisy, that I find irritating.

[errant_knight]

Well, I clearly see her entirely differently than some. I don't find her remotely sanctimonious, and I certainly wouldn't describe her as a cow!

[Sabriana]

I'm still blown away by the fact that she actually tries to entice the Grey Warden PC-mage back to the tower - in the middle of the Blight.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

errant_knight wrote...

Well, I clearly see her entirely differently than some. I don't find her remotely sanctimonious, and I certainly wouldn't describe her as a cow!

That's the beauty of the game: people can garner pretty much very different opinions and views, based on their own RP and perceptions, and end up holding to opposing views of a character and how that character effects them.

I don't think you're an idiot because you like Wynne, by the way. People end up coming to very different conclusions and gut feelings regarding characters. I used to like her, but after playing through as a mage, it changed my opinions 180 on her. But that's just me, and someone might still think her as the wise old counselor and comforting elder presence in the party.

[melkathi]

On my dwarf noble I'll either skip her entirely or will leave her in camp and not get her approval up.

At some point she does this lecture about power and responsibility and all the answers the player is allowed to give are stupidly ignorant. I'm the son of the King. I was a comissioned general in Orzammar's army and I can't tell a preachy mage that "Look, I know. My dad told me that when I was four years old."

[Sabriana]

I completely agree (again) with you, Skadi. To each her/his own. That's the beauty of this game, after all.



Melkathi, I must confess, that I've yet to play a dwarf. I play only female PCs and I can't yet get over the arm-thing. it looks so odd. I have a very beautiful dwarf girl in my CharCreator, but the arms.... what were they thinking?

But true enough, the dwarf noble is the older sister/brother of Bhelen, is she/he not?

[melkathi]

Sabriana wrote...

I completely agree (again) with you, Skadi. To each her/his own. That's the beauty of this game, after all.

Melkathi, I must confess, that I've yet to play a dwarf. I play only female PCs and I can't yet get over the arm-thing. it looks so odd. I have a very beautiful dwarf girl in my CharCreator, but the arms.... what were they thinking?
But true enough, the dwarf noble is the older sister/brother of Bhelen, is she/he not?

He/she is indeed. It's an origin well worth playing through even if you then decide to never even enter the Korcari Wilds with the character.

[ejoslin]

I agree, the dwarf origins are both very good. And really, when you're running, you don't notice the arms anyway.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

I loves playing a dwarf, and am glad this is the first game where you can actually make a dwarf female an attractive, decent looking character. Hell, I only play dwarves and humans. I'm one of the few with no real interest in playing elves, not to keen on the way they look. the arms don't bug me, since heavy armor hides that.



And as Ejosin knows quite well, there is a reason and benefit of playing a dwarf when you play a character who is planning on becoming Zevran's babe. Even my usually cold hearted, ruthless, self-interested and cold blooded **** could not avoid inevitably becoming his devoted slave of love.

[Sabriana]

*quietly succumbs*



Now I just have to choose between noble and commoner. Am I right in assuming that the DC is casteless?

[Cuddlezarro]

I still cant get over the arms for female dwarves I have zero problem playing as a male dwarf but the females gah those arms I cant help but NOT notice them >_<



I want to play through as Lenneth Broska but every time I try to make her I end up make another Baren Broska instead >_<

[Cuddlezarro]

Sabriana wrote...

*quietly succumbs*

Now I just have to choose between noble and commoner. Am I right in assuming that the DC is casteless?

yes your casteless if you pick dwarf commoner

the Dwarf Noble Origin gives you a better look at bhelen and dwarf polotics however

[ejoslin]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

I loves playing a dwarf, and am glad this is the first game where you can actually make a dwarf female an attractive, decent looking character. Hell, I only play dwarves and humans. I'm one of the few with no real interest in playing elves, not to keen on the way they look. the arms don't bug me, since heavy armor hides that.

And as Ejosin knows quite well, there is a reason and benefit of playing a dwarf when you play a character who is planning on becoming Zevran's babe. Even my usually cold hearted, ruthless, self-interested and cold blooded **** could not avoid inevitably becoming his devoted slave of love.

And has talked about to an embarrassing degree, despite being married, having children, and being by all outward appearances being a normal soccer-mom type.  But seriously, if there is ONE reason to deal with those arms, they are all the better for snuggling with a certain elf.  

[Sabriana]

Alright already. Now which one? Caste-less or noble? Gimme some answers, I demand them.... pretty please..

[Cuddlezarro]

do you want more insight to how casteless are treated or do you want more insight to dwarf politics and Bhelen

the Dwarf casteless mother had me raging harder(expecially on the return trip to orzammar) than Bhelen ever did

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 19 février 2010 - 07:01 .

[ejoslin]

Sabriana wrote...

Alright already. Now which one? Caste-less or noble? Gimme some answers, I demand them.... pretty please..

Hmmm, both have compelling stories.  Noble can mean that you never have money issues and gives you great insights into Orzammar and dwarven politics.  Casteless is pretty sad, but actually has the most in common with Zevran of all the origins.

[Cuddlezarro]

Casteless is pretty sad,

*looks at how screwed up my Barens life is again*