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[melkathi]

Sabriana wrote...

Alright already. Now which one? Caste-less or noble? Gimme some answers, I demand them.... pretty please..

Very different. And playing either will give you an Oh My God! moment in the other. The noble one is more depressing really.
Go ahead, make both. You know you want to

[mousestalker]

Dwarf noble has the potential to give you a lot of cash. You can flirt with Gorim as a female (always a plus) or have two one night stands as a male. You will likely wind up liking a Gorim a great deal and hating Bhelen.

Dwarf commoner starts you out poor, but you can hang around with/ flirt with Leske (who is an awesome character). You have a great sister and a not so great mother. You get a great moment in the Provings. The dwarf commoner has the potential for the happiest ending. This is a mostly pro-Bhelen origin.

Edit: Ninja'ed!

And they are both great, for different reasons.

Modifié par mousestalker, 19 février 2010 - 07:12 .

[Cuddlezarro]

or have two one night stands as a male.

this also results in one of them getting preggers with a son

[Reaverwind]

melkathi wrote...

Sabriana wrote...

Alright already. Now which one? Caste-less or noble? Gimme some answers, I demand them.... pretty please..

Very different. And playing either will give you an Oh My God! moment in the other. The noble one is more depressing really.

I didn't think so. I played the elder sister who despised Trian and who had an appreciation for Bhelen's handiwork. She wasn't displeased at all with ending up as a Warden.

Modifié par Reaverwind, 19 février 2010 - 07:16 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

ejoslin wrote...

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

I loves playing a dwarf, and am glad this is the first game where you can actually make a dwarf female an attractive, decent looking character. Hell, I only play dwarves and humans. I'm one of the few with no real interest in playing elves, not to keen on the way they look. the arms don't bug me, since heavy armor hides that.

And as Ejosin knows quite well, there is a reason and benefit of playing a dwarf when you play a character who is planning on becoming Zevran's babe. Even my usually cold hearted, ruthless, self-interested and cold blooded **** could not avoid inevitably becoming his devoted slave of love.

And has talked about to an embarrassing degree, despite being married, having children, and being by all outward appearances being a normal soccer-mom type.  But seriously, if there is ONE reason to deal with those arms, they are all the better for snuggling with a certain elf.  

Dwarf arms were made for holding Antivan elves tightly. I think that's why I decided in my playthroughs, that I divy up the humans for Alistair and the dwarves for Zev, so both get some love and happieness and don't feel left out. I'll leave the elves to others, since a large number of people seem to like playing them best.

I had the screenshot of my dwarf and Zev kiss, as well as a few of their sexytime. The kiss I put as my desktop, and my husband couldn't figure out what it was or why I had it.

I wonder what comments Zev might have for a Dwarf commoner when she makes her unhappy homecoming, since I've heard he makes some for the elves upon return to the alienage. Guess I'll find out, eventually.

[Sabriana]

Lol, thanks. I love ambiguity to a fault. I guess I'll try the caste-less first, because my HN always felt truly bad for Nadezda and Zerlinda.

[grieferbastard]

I liked Wynne a lot. Anyone who hasn't full speced her as a healer/anti magic support is having to waste effort in a lot of other places IMO. She's got a lot of funny conversations to have and if you're not playing a complete bastard has a lot of useful IC advice.

As I find Liliana largely useless, aside from her willingness to make a Warden sammich with Isabella, I use the lock bash mod. This lets anyone open locks and doesn't effectively force you to drag Liliana or Zev around. When I play through with a sword+board fighter and either Sten/Alistair or Oghren/Alistair along with Wynne. When I spec out main character and Alistair as Commander + Templar and Sten/Oghren Berserker and focus Wynne on healing/support and some anti-magic even on nightmare it's about staying alive and more about racing to see who gets the most kills. Mages are easier kills than Genlocks in this format and with the right tactics setup for the rest of your party you've got two or three people speeding up stamina/mana regeneration and a berserker with an insane one-shot kill for enemy bosses.

I know there's some cheap magic user tricks for doing a lot of damage it involves a lot of pause, cast, pause, cast.... with this loadout we have a simple method of:

1. Kick in the door like John Wayne.
2. Kill effing EVERYTHING.
3. Not having to listen to Morrigan whine or Liliana pout or preach.
4. Worry about what your party is doing aside from trying to keep the edge in damage done and who's killed the most stuff.

Wynne is low maintenance unless you're playing full on villain. She's useful, level headed and not bat**** insane - a unique quality in women in DA:O.

[Gilsa]

I like having Wynne in camp primarily for the "Why are you a Grey Warden?" conversations. She's the only one that really asks you about this so it helps to think about the motivations. Take away the love interests, the obligatory "revenge" you want to find when you return to your origin home, and what is left? I love my dwarves and I know where they're coming from. I know their story and their motivations. However I've made elves just for the sake of exploring one of the romances and to see what their reaction is to the PC (like how the romance responds when he/she finds out city elf had a wedding) and didn't really think much about the race beyond that. So Wynne asks those questions, it really pushes me to think about the character's attitude, especially if she's going to be imported into Awakenings and the sole reason for her existence (a romantic interest) is not going to be around.



Besides, Wynne is always going to be very important to my dwarves if only for her role in helping Shale find a way to not be a golem anymore in the epilogue. What Shale wants, Shale gets!

[ejoslin]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Dwarf arms were made for holding Antivan elves tightly. I think that's why I decided in my playthroughs, that I divy up the humans for Alistair and the dwarves for Zev, so both get some love and happieness and don't feel left out. I'll leave the elves to others, since a large number of people seem to like playing them best.

I had the screenshot of my dwarf and Zev kiss, as well as a few of their sexytime. The kiss I put as my desktop, and my husband couldn't figure out what it was or why I had it.

I wonder what comments Zev might have for a Dwarf commoner when she makes her unhappy homecoming, since I've heard he makes some for the elves upon return to the alienage. Guess I'll find out, eventually.

The comments he makes in the alienage have nothing to do with the alienage, and everything to do with the events in the origin and how they would personally affect him (Zevran).  I'm not going to give more spoilers than that (which actually answers your dwarf question in a roundabout way) -- unless asked, of course!

[Gilsa]

IMO, dwarf noble has more in common with Alistair (duty/politics) and dwarf commoner has more in common with Zevran (bad start in life/dog-eat-dog background).

[Sabriana]

Aside from the fact that my PC is very successful going mage-less (except for a few encounters) I don't like her being treated like a 15-year old snot nose with raging hormones. My PC is around 25 to 27 years old (mage 25, HN 27ish) and has been subjected to terrifying ordeals. I don't need a self-righteous person (without the wisdom, thanks Valen) treating her like a brainless wonder.

Age does not give you wisdom automatically.  Her advice to Aneirin is idiotic, as is trying to entice the Grey Warden mage back into the tower in the middle of a blight.

No thanks. There might be all kinds of excuses why she acts like that, but that doesn't automatically make her 'advice' valuable. She's wrong about a lot of things, and they are shown as the game progresses. If a player likes her, fine. Go ahead and do so. I liked her for one and a half playthroughs and then her inconsistencies and flaws became glaringly obvious to my PC.

She won't be killed, but she will stay at camp. I don't need her, and neither does my PC girl. Ever. And I'll be damned if I ever let her near Aneirin again. That's downright stupid. He was declared a blood mage (at age 14) by the Chantry and hunted by the templars. Left for dead and now she want's him to return to the circle. She is severly wanting in the logic department at the very least.

Modifié par Sabriana, 19 février 2010 - 07:39 .

[melkathi]

Reaverwind wrote...

melkathi wrote...

Sabriana wrote...

Alright already. Now which one? Caste-less or noble? Gimme some answers, I demand them.... pretty please..

Very different. And playing either will give you an Oh My God! moment in the other. The noble one is more depressing really.

I didn't think so. I played the elder sister who despised Trian and who had an appreciation for Bhelen's handiwork. She wasn't displeased at all with ending up as a Warden.

Wether you like or dislike Trian has nothing to do with the fact that your character is stripped of his whole existence. He/she is dead to the world. Now that may not be important to you, but your character grew up in that society and was destined to hold important positions in that society. To them, it would be very important.
My dwarf noble doesn't like either of his brothers. He does mind though that everyone he knows has written him off as a dead traitor. Trian is irrelevant to that, just as any appreciation for Bhelen's skill at politics would be.

[Reaverwind]

melkathi wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

melkathi wrote...

Sabriana wrote...

Alright already. Now which one? Caste-less or noble? Gimme some answers, I demand them.... pretty please..

Very different. And playing either will give you an Oh My God! moment in the other. The noble one is more depressing really.

I didn't think so. I played the elder sister who despised Trian and who had an appreciation for Bhelen's handiwork. She wasn't displeased at all with ending up as a Warden.

Wether you like or dislike Trian has nothing to do with the fact that your character is stripped of his whole existence. He/she is dead to the world. Now that may not be important to you, but your character grew up in that society and was destined to hold important positions in that society. To them, it would be very important.

Unless you're playing a character who's seeking to escape just that, and sees the Wardens as an out. If Alistair can do it, so can my dwarf noble. I get what you're saying, but it doesn't have to be played that way.

[melkathi]

Reaverwind wrote...


Unless you're playing a character who's seeking to escape just that, and sees the Wardens as an out. If Alistair can do it, so can my dwarf noble. I get what you're saying, but it doesn't have to be played that way.

The beauty of it, you can play it any way you like:happy:

Alistair...pfffft

[Sabriana]

Thems fightin words, Melkathi.

No, not with me, just generally, you know.

[Chas1024]

If you get RtO then keep Wynne. Hearing her flirt with Alistair at the end was what made RtO for me.

[Sabriana]

Chas1024 wrote...

If you get RtO then keep Wynne. Hearing her flirt with Alistair at the end was what made RtO for me.

Well, whatever floats your boat. I thought it was completely creepy, given the circumstances. I don't know, but I'm seriously weirded out when the PC is ready bury/burn her/his king and the oh so wise mage starts a heavy flirtation with a very young Grey Warden.

[Reaverwind]

Sabriana wrote...

Chas1024 wrote...

If you get RtO then keep Wynne. Hearing her flirt with Alistair at the end was what made RtO for me.

Well, whatever floats your boat. I thought it was completely creepy, given the circumstances. I don't know, but I'm seriously weirded out when the PC is ready bury/burn her/his king and the oh so wise mage starts a heavy flirtation with a very young Grey Warden.

Made even creepier by the fact she's been playing up the mommy role. It makes me wonder what the real reason was for Aneirin fleeing the Tower.....

[melkathi]

Though to be fair I wanted to smack Alistair as well. Goes crying the whole game and when we go to give his half brother a proper burial he explores his sexuality...

That whole dialogue was so out of place, it makes you wonder if the writer who wrote it had been told when it would be used.

Modifié par melkathi, 19 février 2010 - 08:45 .

[Cuddlezarro]

this is why I refuse to take Wynn to Ostagar...or anywhere other than the gauntlet (if I want to kill her) or Flemeth (need a healer for that fight)

[Chas1024]

melkathi wrote...

Though to be fair I wanted to smack Alistair as well. Goes crying the whole game and when we go to give his half brother a proper burial he explores his sexuality...

That whole dialogue was so out of place, it makes you wonder if the writer who wrote it had been told when it would be used.

For me it's the incongruity that makes it so amusing. But I have a strange sense of humour, or so I'm told.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

The first dialogue when you first enter ostagar was funny, because Wynne says something like "I feel so old" Alistair, in his less than subtle bluntness, says something like "Uh, well, you are old." I laughed right there. She got a little miffed and told him to watch his smart mouth.



When the disturbing flirtation comes up, Alistair politely tries to make up for insulting her earlier by complimenting her and saying she doesn't look so old, and Wynne seizes the opportunity to start flirting and mentioning the fact that she's bedded a number of young lads...if there had been a cutscene for that banter, I swear, judging by his rather startled reaction, his facial expression would probably be similar to the one he had when Morrigan was getting ready to make demon baby on him. Probably, even worse.

[sylvanaerie]

Hmm I like Wynne, (I don't dislike any of the companions though I like them in varying degrees). I like the conversations with her. Except for the one she has with you about your current love interest but even then you can tell her to mind her own business, or you know what is best for you and she doesn't get all pissy.



Wynne was the ONLY character in the game to ask the PC why she what the circumstances were for her becoming a Warden and offer sympathy. Here were these companions who knew PC was a Cousland and no one said "wow heard what happened in Highever, so sorry". First time I heard that I knew I liked her. Even Alistair freaking forgot and apologized when I reminded him during his ranting over Duncan's death.



Her advice is usually sound and I follow it (shes with me all the time, shes my dedicated healer). But since I usually take the "hero/goody goody" path its a good compass for me.

[ejoslin]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Hmm I like Wynne, (I don't dislike any of the companions though I like them in varying degrees). I like the conversations with her. Except for the one she has with you about your current love interest but even then you can tell her to mind her own business, or you know what is best for you and she doesn't get all pissy.

Wynne was the ONLY character in the game to ask the PC why she what the circumstances were for her becoming a Warden and offer sympathy. Here were these companions who knew PC was a Cousland and no one said "wow heard what happened in Highever, so sorry". First time I heard that I knew I liked her. Even Alistair freaking forgot and apologized when I reminded him during his ranting over Duncan's death.

Her advice is usually sound and I follow it (shes with me all the time, shes my dedicated healer). But since I usually take the "hero/goody goody" path its a good compass for me.

Alistair knew what happened in Highever, though he forgot and all.  The city elf warden also can tell him about her fiance being killed, though again, he forgets.  Even the casteless dwarf can tell Alistair about her criminal past.  Zevran comments to the warden no matter what the origin about how difficult her life has been as well.

There's an implication in the story that there's a lot more conversation going on than what is actually seen.  Leliana states that if being romanced (I enjoy talking to you when standing guard with you . . .).

Edit: See, I don't think Wynne's motives are completely pure when asking about what lead the Warden to being a Warden because of the follow up conversations.  Wynne has serious GW hero worship, though.  There's no doubt about that!

Modifié par ejoslin, 20 février 2010 - 12:25 .

[mousestalker]

ejoslin wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

Hmm I like Wynne, (I don't dislike any of the companions though I like them in varying degrees). I like the conversations with her. Except for the one she has with you about your current love interest but even then you can tell her to mind her own business, or you know what is best for you and she doesn't get all pissy.

Wynne was the ONLY character in the game to ask the PC why she what the circumstances were for her becoming a Warden and offer sympathy. Here were these companions who knew PC was a Cousland and no one said "wow heard what happened in Highever, so sorry". First time I heard that I knew I liked her. Even Alistair freaking forgot and apologized when I reminded him during his ranting over Duncan's death.

Her advice is usually sound and I follow it (shes with me all the time, shes my dedicated healer). But since I usually take the "hero/goody goody" path its a good compass for me.

Alistair knew what happened in Highever, though he forgot and all.  The city elf warden also can tell him about her fiance being killed, though again, he forgets.  Even the casteless dwarf can tell Alistair about her criminal past.  Zevran comments to the warden no matter what the origin about how difficult her life has been as well.

There's an implication in the story that there's a lot more conversation going on than what is actually seen.  Leliana states that if being romanced (I enjoy talking to you when standing guard with you . . .).

Edit: See, I don't think Wynne's motives are completely pure when asking about what lead the Warden to being a Warden because of the follow up conversations.  Wynne has serious GW hero worship, though.  There's no doubt about that!

If you play the Human Noble origin you can almost hear her heels click as she snaps to attention when you tell her who you are.