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[zenoxis]

Deuterium_Dawn wrote...

Because dark is automatically deep man.

This. People automatically assume this with epics like Mass Effect. And honestly, it's getting really tiresome.

[sporeian]

because cliche "tragic" and "bittersweet" endings are better than cliche "Happy" endings now...

[Aweus]

GBGriffin wrote...

I strongly disagree with this. While I will admit that war is awful and life isn't fair...I don't need to play games to remind me of this; I play them to forget about those truths because fantasy games, imo, shouldn't have to be governed by real life truths. They're fantasy; anything should be possible, and a hero in a fantasy, even if it might fit an archetype, should never "have" to do anything in a truly original piece.

I wanted a happy ending more than anything, or at least the option for one with a crew/LI reunion. I can live with the rest if that would just happen...I'm hoping it still might.

Well said. Someone may accuse me for using games as an escapism tool. But guess what... this is exactly why I am playing games. I want to feel uplifted by playing a game so that next day when I go to work I can feel like I am going to make some miracles there. Becouse hey, Shepard just saved the galaxy, I may as well at least do good whatever my boss will assign me this time.

Modifié par Aweus, 11 avril 2012 - 03:52 .

[Ownedbacon]

The game should have had a happy ending, self sacrifice, and even failure depending on your choices. Still no matter what you got it would be sad because of everything Shepard has been through.

Nothing wrong with a happy ending, people say they are cliche but it seems there have been so many people attempting "dark" endings in movies that it seems it is the new cliche.

[krukow]

Because it fits with themes of the first two games! They both had dark, downer endings!

wait, wut...?

Modifié par krukow, 11 avril 2012 - 03:54 .

[Lyrandori]

Some people feel better if they go against standards, stereotypes, normality, general expectations or conformism. The thing with Mass Effect is that there should not be "only" nihilistic endings. There should be a variety of all types of distinguished and unique endings, from happy to freaking depressing, and some in between both. There should be no such thing as "only this" or "only that" in Mass Effect.

[GuilleCuba]

probably some people like to see the world (or the galaxy in this case) burn!!!

[Auralius Carolus]

I'm fine with "Happy Endings" so long as they make sense under the circumstances.

This is a war... with the Reapers, no less. No one, out of dozens of civilizations, has managed to so much as cause a significant dent in their numbers. I don't expect, nor want, rainbows and butterflies.

The Mission Objective for me is to ensure the fall of the Reapers. If I, (my Shepard), can survive and maybe reunite with the crew of the Normandy, then great. But that darn Space Brat is in my way...

[sedrikhcain]

kglaser wrote...

I can see the positives in both types of endings. Personally, I don't see anything that would prescribe that we have to get a tragic, sad, death-laden ending to make it "correct". I never assumed my Shep would make it out, but hey...Luke Skywalker lived, right?

Yes, but Anikin didn't -- and it's actually his story.

That said, if they had made it possible to have an ending in which Shepard and all his/her buddies lived, the Reapers were destroyed and Shep lived happily ever after with the LI, that wouldn't have bothered me, unless they made it super corny or something. There has been tremendous loss of life and the galaxy has gone through major upheaval that will take years to sort out. That ain't bunnies and unicorns, y'all -- not that there's anything wrong with bunnies and unicorns.

[Icinix]

I don't understand it either.

You see the argument 'Real life isn't happy and good things don't happen all the time' to which I would argue A) Its not real life, and I'm pretty happy with my awesome life thank you very much.

[tractrpl]

Look, one guy going against an entire fleet of super-advanced aliens...It's not even realistic that he could actually WIN, much less survive.

[NickelToe]

You can think of these 3 totally different endings as a "Happy Ending" of sorts when the Crucible "ejects" itself on the Mass Relay network. Some sites are dedicated to similar "Happy Endings."

[sedrikhcain]

Aweus wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

I strongly disagree with this. While I will admit that war is awful and life isn't fair...I don't need to play games to remind me of this; I play them to forget about those truths because fantasy games, imo, shouldn't have to be governed by real life truths. They're fantasy; anything should be possible, and a hero in a fantasy, even if it might fit an archetype, should never "have" to do anything in a truly original piece.

I wanted a happy ending more than anything, or at least the option for one with a crew/LI reunion. I can live with the rest if that would just happen...I'm hoping it still might.

Well said. Someone may accuse me for using games as an escapism tool. But guess what... this is exactly why I am playing games. I want to feel uplifted by playing a game so that next day when I go to work I can feel like I am going to make some miracles there. Becouse hey, Shepard just saved the galaxy, I may as well at least do good whatever my boss will assign me this time.

I hear ya. I actually listened to a podcast in which one critic said -- and he was dead serious -- "you know what, sometimes life isn't fair. you don't get all the answers" or something very similar. I mean, c'mon, you play video games to experience the same disappointment that you get in everyday life? Give me a break.

[tractrpl]

As far as I'm concerned, I play this game as if it was actually me (and I had the awesome capabilities Shepard has). Being a military member myself, I understand that I may have to die to protect my country, so the possibility that Shepard may die is a given.

[Zardoc]

tractrpl wrote...

Look, one guy going against an entire fleet of super-advanced aliens...It's not even realistic that he could actually WIN, much less survive.

Look, one guy going against an entire army of super-advanced alien puppets on their home station...It's not even realistic that he could actually WIN, much less survive.

[Nitsugalego]

Well, we should've gotten multiple endings ( including happy and sad ones)...

[Elyiia]

I've seen a few reasons, none of which I agree with.

"A happy ending is too cliche" and "Shepard needs to die" are the usual ones. Neither make sense.

A happy ending is cliche sure, but so is a dark or "bittersweet" ending. It just shifts from one cliche to the other.
Shepard doesn't need to die, paragon Shepard at the very least is not a tragic hero. He's a triumphant hero. Sure there's been some tragedies but the theme throughout the trilogy is defying the odds. Hell, in the first two games you lose like three named characters in total if you make wise choices?

[Zix13]

Happy or bittersweet, either ones fine. Straight out bleak is not.

[tractrpl]

Nitsugalego wrote...

Well, we should've gotten multiple endings ( including happy and sad ones)...

To me, any ending resulting in the destruction of the Reapers without having some star kid with messed up reasoning would be a happy ending. I think Shepard making the ultimate sacrifice is necessary, it's what being a soldier means.

[frylock23]

Entertainment lives under a new set of cliches these days and grimdark endings is one of them. It's too bad that BioWare didn't understand this.

[Zardoc]

tractrpl wrote...

Nitsugalego wrote...

Well, we should've gotten multiple endings ( including happy and sad ones)...

To me, any ending resulting in the destruction of the Reapers without having some star kid with messed up reasoning would be a happy ending. I think Shepard making the ultimate sacrifice is necessary, it's what being a soldier means.

And I think it isn't necessary, it's what being Shepard means.

Modifié par Zardoc, 11 avril 2012 - 04:02 .

[GuilleCuba]

tractrpl wrote...

Look, one guy going against an entire fleet of super-advanced aliens...It's not even realistic that he could actually WIN, much less survive.

I don't know about you, but if I want to see something realistic I'll just watch documentaries. I don't play ME to see realistic stuff, I play to feel good and capable o accomplishing the impossible. Besides, there is nothing realistic about the current ending with all the space magic 

[LucasShark]

goose2989 wrote...

Some people believe that an epic story like Mass Effect warrants the death of the Hero, Protagonist, or Main Character. Shepard is all three in Mass Effect. In many cases, I believe this is true; the problem is that in cases where it makes sense, it also works.

Mass Effect is not meant to be about imposing decisions needlessly. Obviously, Bioware has to make certain decisions about the story and game, but not all of them like:

Who does Shepard romance?
What did Shepard do with the Collector Base?
Did Shepard save the Destiny Ascension?

Many choices can and should be made by the player in Mass Effect, and up until the very end of the last game, we were given that. Forcing Shepard's death not only angered many fans, but it didn't make any sense within the story. Sacrifices must be made, of course. But in no way does that automatically mean Shepard must be killed

Agreed big time: to go back to the V for Vendetta comparison again (sorry, it's a favourite): That does feature a "hero's sacrafice" (spoiler), but in that one we get to see the  pay-off of it.  If a hero is going to be sacraficed, then we have to see that it was worth something.  In the case of ME: I don't think the "best" ending should have a manditory Shepard sacrafice: as Shepard is also the player, and any ending where the player dies just isn't as satasfying in some ways.

[Ownedbacon]

tractrpl wrote...

Look, one guy going against an entire fleet of super-advanced aliens...It's not even realistic that he could actually WIN, much less survive.

He would have been in much better health had he not been walking toward the explosion in the destroy ending. Could have sat back and shot those random tubes.

[tractrpl]

I would have preferred an ending where Shepard runs in with guns blazing and barely making it to the catalyst, activating it, killing all Reapers. That would have been realistic and acceptable. Anyone saying "but that's not a HAPPY ending", well, it is, from a soldiers perspective. He gave his life protecting his country, which happens to be the entire galaxy. If you've never served, you'll probably never understand.