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[The Razman]

Didn't see this posted anywhere ... a deleted scene depicting a conversation between Ashley and Sheperd about the afterlife, and what Sheperd remembers from being dead in Mass Effect 2.

Shame it didn't get left in (if this is really a deleted scene) ... Ashley's religious beliefs were always an intriguing part of her character. You don't get many traditionally religious people in sci-fi.

[clipped_wolf]

There is a lot of hostility toward religion in the forums, and probably a lot more apathy in the fan base.
In ME1 Ashley said she believes in God and Heaven and she was branded as a zealot.
I'm not sure if that had anything to do with.

[BourneBengal]

Damn a real pity

[LPPrince]

Damn. That'd of been nice.

[Obvakhi]

Already been posted: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11226572/1

[TheBlackBaron]

clipped_wolf wrote...

There is a lot of hostility toward religion in the forums, and probably a lot more apathy in the fan base.
In ME1 Ashley said she believes in God and Heaven and she was branded as a zealot.
I'm not sure if that had anything to do with.

Seems logical, captain. 

EDIT: They really should have worked the "I could dance for you" line into the game somewher else, though. Ash has painfully little dialog as it is. 

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 11 avril 2012 - 04:33 .

[Sgt Stryker]

Shame that scene got cut. Was there a concern that Fox News would pick up the story and claim that Bioware was full of heathen atheist communists, or something?

[MrNose]

That's too bad. That convo is damn fine writing by whoever at BW wrote it.

[The Razman]

clipped_wolf wrote...

There is a lot of hostility toward religion in the forums, and probably a lot more apathy in the fan base.
In ME1 Ashley said she believes in God and Heaven and she was branded as a zealot.
I'm not sure if that had anything to do with.

If you're a character in a sci-fi game and mention anything outside the status-quo, you'll get branded a zealot for it, I've found. Gay and mention you've got a husband? That's shoving your homosexuality in people's faces. Believe in God and mention it in a single conversation? You're a religious Bible-basher.

We're quite reactive as an audience, aren't we ...

[Han Shot First]

Wow.

It is a shame that ended up on the cutting room floor. Hopefully it gets added back in DLC at some point, because that looks like a great scene. That, and Ashley is a little short of dialogue after rejoining the team. This deleted convo might be part of the reason why.

Some people seem to be speculating that this may have been cut for fear of angering people who aren't atheists or agnostics, but I'm not so sure. After all the scene doesn't say that there isn't life after death. Shepard's answer is, "I don't know." It is left open for debate, and for the player to decide. I can't see how that could possibly offend either believers or non-believers as it doesn't take a stance either way.

[ZackG312]

First Harbinger and now this, you fans know how to pick apart a game

[ManBearPig91]

Sheperd doesn't offer an answer either way, though I think it would be characterful if he could pick a position (obviously with no paragon/renegade score related).

What I'm really happy about is that he ponders his own mortality in it there, "Did I die and come back, or did I just die? Am I just a cheap copy now?"

[Han Shot First]

ManBearPig91 wrote...

What I'm really happy about is that he ponders his own mortality in it there, "Did I die and come back, or did I just die? Am I just a cheap copy now?"

He has one of those moments if you choose to view the Cerberus video files when you hit their base. After viewing one of the vids on the origin of the Lazarus Project, he'll wonder whether he's really Commander Shepard, or just some VI that thinks it is Commander Shepard. If Liara is with you (and romanced) she'll interrupt him by saying she knew it was really him the first time she touched him. Not sure what the other squadmates say, but either way it was a great scene.

It it is a shame there weren't more in the game where Shepard reflects on his own mortality, and whether he really is who he thinks he is following the Lazarus Project.

[RukiaKuchki]

It would have been a nice little scene just to show how Shepherd is now a little unsure of himself. He was always so assured of his own success, but this scene addds a touch of vulnerability. I'm guessing they cut it more because it didn't flow with the rest of the game rather than Bioware being worried about upsetting Fox etc (Bioware seem to be pretty strong in their convictions to me). We already know Ashley is a believer, and like a few have said above, Ashley is a little light on dialogue once she gets to the Normandy so this scene could have kept us a bit more intersted in her. Overall, I bet there are quite a few scenes that were cut in the end to keep the pacing right, just like in a movie. It's always interesting to see what they were though.

[Cainne Chapel]

Han Shot First wrote...

ManBearPig91 wrote...

What I'm really happy about is that he ponders his own mortality in it there, "Did I die and come back, or did I just die? Am I just a cheap copy now?"

He has one of those moments if you choose to view the Cerberus video files when you hit their base. After viewing one of the vids on the origin of the Lazarus Project, he'll wonder whether he's really Commander Shepard, or just some VI that thinks it is Commander Shepard. If Liara is with you (and romanced) she'll interrupt him by saying she knew it was really him the first time she touched him. Not sure what the other squadmates say, but either way it was a great scene.

It it is a shame there weren't more in the game where Shepard reflects on his own mortality, and whether he really is who he thinks he is following the Lazarus Project.

I know Garrus says something along the lines of "Finding out something like that... it must be tough to hear"

and I know Tali says something similar to Liara if you romanced her.  She says something along the lines of "I know you're the real shepard, you're the man i love" or some such.

Haven't tried with Ash while romanced yet....didn't see the Liara one either now that I recall (I tend to always keep Garrus around...) gonna have to try that.

[Aleru]

woooow if thats real... just wow! Nice, its a shame that they didnt include it in the game.

[Tazzmission]

wow i really hope they make that as a dlc

that was very well written if legit


tbh i really hope they make all the cut content as dlc

Modifié par Tazzmission, 11 avril 2012 - 05:44 .

[Han Shot First]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

ManBearPig91 wrote...

What I'm really happy about is that he ponders his own mortality in it there, "Did I die and come back, or did I just die? Am I just a cheap copy now?"

He has one of those moments if you choose to view the Cerberus video files when you hit their base. After viewing one of the vids on the origin of the Lazarus Project, he'll wonder whether he's really Commander Shepard, or just some VI that thinks it is Commander Shepard. If Liara is with you (and romanced) she'll interrupt him by saying she knew it was really him the first time she touched him. Not sure what the other squadmates say, but either way it was a great scene.

It it is a shame there weren't more in the game where Shepard reflects on his own mortality, and whether he really is who he thinks he is following the Lazarus Project.

I know Garrus says something along the lines of "Finding out something like that... it must be tough to hear"

and I know Tali says something similar to Liara if you romanced her.  She says something along the lines of "I know you're the real shepard, you're the man i love" or some such.

Haven't tried with Ash while romanced yet....didn't see the Liara one either now that I recall (I tend to always keep Garrus around...) gonna have to try that.

Cool, thanks!

I haven't played through that level yet with other squadmates besides EDI and Liara. From the sound of it, maybe it is best whenever playing that level to bring whatever character Shepard is romancing on that playthrough. The LI dialogue seems to be more personal. Assuming of course that Shepard's LI for that playthrough is a squadmate.

[Cainne Chapel]

Yeah i DID notice that while playing, especially with Tali

Her general dialogue and manner towards shepard takes on a MUCH more loving and "you're mine" kind of tone.

Its kinda cute.

I didn't notice Liara's tone change as much, but I did notice her manner was a lot softer towards shepard during her romance.

As for ash, haven't done one with her yet.

Just Liara/Jack/Miranda and Tali.

[SaranBlade]

This isn't an answer one way or another about the afterlife - it's just a good scene. May have been a pacing thing though.

[Tazzmission]

SaranBlade wrote...

This isn't an answer one way or another about the afterlife - it's just a good scene. May have been a pacing thing though.

well i think shepard didnt want to flat out say your beliefs are wrong

i will say this if bioware could somehow make the final hour scenes dlc including the tim boss fight ill be glad to shell out some money for it

dont get me wrong i love the game as is but  i feel that the reason why this stuff was cut was do to budget and time


if they can somehow make tim a husk instead of a reaper im game

[Gallimatia]

So is there any proof it's a deleted scene? I imagine people that dig up deleted content wouldn't make montages like this. They'd just post the lines as found with information on where they found them.

Modifié par Gallimatia, 11 avril 2012 - 06:18 .

[Tazzmission]

Gallimatia wrote...

So is there any proof it's a deleted scene? I imagine people that dig up deleted content wouldn't make montages like this. They'd just post the lines as found.

i remember seeing someone post a ingame letter of ash saying ill see you at the hospital

id post it but i just hate the idea of having to dig through not just this community but another one i talk on

[Druzgot]

i didnt remember what ashley said in english version but in translation was somethink like that:
**** this geeks from cernerus, you are you.