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[RocketManSR2]

Kakita Tatsumaru wrote...

I don't see the problem with this scene, it makes sense and don't go against anyone's belief.

Agreed. It should never have been cut. Period. 

[Spitfire_mcguire]

After going through the slideshow again, some of that does happen during the Cerberus HQ mission, where Shepard questions his identity while watching the videos about project Lazarus. That could be a likely answer as to why it was cut, and not the "it might cause controversy." 


Shepard: I could dance for you.
Ash: Please don't.

Modifié par Spitfire_mcguire, 11 avril 2012 - 11:03 .

[onchristieroad]

I liked it. I didn't find it controversial either way in a religious sense. The bit about Shepard not being sure about his resurrection was nice though (ideal for a P/R choice there too).

[billywaffles]

"Shepard: The Quest for Identity". It would have been awesome to have a main quest related to this.

[RyuujinZERO]

 I don't really see how any negative connotations coudl be drawn from this.

"He doesn't remember" - plain and simple. That fits the scientific expectations (Not alive, no memories being written, thus no memory of event), without disrupting or competing with anyone theistic beliefs (maybe while he was dead he did experience something, but has no memory of it)

Modifié par RyuujinZERO, 11 avril 2012 - 11:18 .

[Il Divo]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

They already put "teh gayz" in the game, could you REALLY imagine the backlash from the Christies if THAT conversation got put in as well?

Seriously, it'd be be ridiculous. Just off the charts ridiculous.

If that's the case, they certainly have bigger fish to fry. Assassin's Creed's implications for religion are ten times more horrendous than Mass Effect, from a Christian perspective, yet that's gotten by unscathed. Shepard didn't fully discount Ashley's beliefs; he said he couldn't give her a real answer.

Modifié par Il Divo, 11 avril 2012 - 12:11 .

[TwelfthCrusader]

Really would have liked the keep it. Thought it was quite interesting myself and as an actual conversation in-game it could be quite emotional.

[CG Drum]

wish this was in the game - definetly adds another layer to Shep for me lets hope they add it in at some point... wouldn't that be great!

[The Razman]

Icinix wrote...

There were a number of deeper conversations cut from the leaked script. As awesome as they were, I imagine the extensive amount of auto-dialogue would have made them lose their beef a little bit.

For things like that to work within an avatar owned game like ME, you really need to have a lot of options in dialogue to express your views, opinions on what you or your avatar would like to say.

As the interest in ME3 was more about BioWare telling Shepards last story (at least from the dialogue available to them), I'm glad it was cut. If my Shep started spouting something that went against what my ME1 Shep established - I'd be annoyed.

I don't know ... they gave you a pretty good choice on what to say about Sheperd's religious beliefs when talking to Ashley in ME1. Don't see why it couldn't work here.

[Awookie]

onchristieroad wrote...

I liked it. I didn't find it controversial either way in a religious sense. The bit about Shepard not being sure about his resurrection was nice though (ideal for a P/R choice there too).

Same.  In fact, Ashley's religion is a reason why people chose her over Kaidan.  It just gave her more depth. 

[survivor_686]

Interesting conversation. would have added more emotional depth to Ashley. Stil can understand why they remove it (the new players wouldn't have played ME1 and does wouldn't have caught Ashley's undertones.)

Modifié par survivor_686, 11 avril 2012 - 12:21 .

[The Razman]

Awookie wrote...

onchristieroad wrote...

I liked it. I didn't find it controversial either way in a religious sense. The bit about Shepard not being sure about his resurrection was nice though (ideal for a P/R choice there too).

Same.  In fact, Ashley's religion is a reason why people chose her over Kaidan.  It just gave her more depth. 

That and the boobs.

[TheGreenAlloy]

If there ar no choices in that covnersation I'd rather not participate. I won't have my Shepard say stuff that doesn't fit how I rplaplay him.

[78stonewobble]

The Razman wrote...

That and the boobs.

"Well... it's not exactly regulation ... "

*Shepard looks at chest zipper and agrees*

"You were saying Ashley?"





Atheist, agnostic, christian, catholic, muslim, shamanistic or whatever... After a near death experience I think it's pretty natural to take stock.

[fchopin]

It’s a pity they forgot to cut all of Ashley’s conversations; she is terrible in ME3, just likes to whine.

[Getorex]

The religious stuff from Ash turned me off in the first ME game. Same thing happens in real life. You are a woman, you start spouting religious talk, we're done. That said, I had no problem with the deleted conversation. It worked (and it shat on the beliefs in a satisfying way). Win-win.

[Walsh1980]

Wow, this would have been great. I love any part where Shepard shows that he's not just a killing machine. There's a part in the Cerberus HQ where Shepard tells your squad member he's not sure if it's even really him, I love that part and made it a point to reload and bring every squad member to see their reaction (Tali and Liara LI ones are the best).

And on top of that, Ash's story progression seemed almost non-existent compared to Kaiden, and if this was cut it makes it hurt more, she cries with her sister, she gets drunk, she bangs Shep. She never even goes and does stuff around the ship like Kaiden (who plays cards with James, talks to Adams, etc.). If this is a real deleted scene, it would've made Ash's story one of my favorites instead of the most boring. Wish they could add this back with the extended cut.... it's not just the ending that needs a fix.

[BiancoAngelo7]

Yeah if it's true that this was cut then it's absolute horse shi*.

It's really annoying how things like this get cut out but they dedicate who knows how much resources to giving you a gay romance.

It's like it's becoming more offensive to mention anything about religion than it is to include a full blown gay romance option in a game.

Sometimes I think people get worried too much about what the Politically Correct crowd will think...

[thewolf13]

I find Ashley's character very dumbed down in ME3. I remember Ashley from ME1 as being xenophobic, family oriented, educated, and religious. They carried only about 50% of that over to ME3.

Also I'm an extremely conservative Christian who has no problem with this conversation but lets remember that FoxNews takes everything out of context when they host their witch trials.

[Getorex]

jreezy wrote...

Getorex wrote...

The religious stuff from Ash turned me off in the first ME game. Same thing happens in real life. You are a woman, you start spouting religious talk, we're done. That said, I had no problem with the deleted conversation. It worked (and it shat on the beliefs in a satisfying way). Win-win.

What does being a woman have to do with anything?

I said that because I'm a guy and I only go for women.  If a woman I'm interested in spouts off religious mumbo jumbo, no more interest.  Get it?  That applies in game too.  Turns me (Shepard) off.  Simple as that.

[Vez04]

This actually have got me thinking that the reason BioWare decided to cut this scene, was due to they would know the fans would love it, but so they cut it instead because they knew people would bring demands for it.

[J0hnick]

Assuming this isn't a fake, I'm actually really disappointed Bioware didn't have the balls to include this scene. I give them all the props in the world for finally putting in the same sex romances we know they always wanted to include in the previous games, and of course they were going to get some backlash for it. lets not kid each other, the vast majority of people who are against same sex relationships aren't against them because they think its gross (though some are), their against it because their holly book tells them its wrong. But seeing as most people nowadays have enough common sense to see that in this day and age, thats not the case, props to Bioware for putting them in.

On the flip side, 2 steps forward and 1 step back Bioware for deleting this scene. In ME1 Ashley was portrayed as religious and whilst Sheppard has a choice in ME1, as an Athiest myself, sheppard seems to come across as your average fence sitting agnostic (especially in ME2 and 3 were you don't have a choice) as in he/she doesn't have any religious beliefs but isn't against the possibility that there is a god and an afterlife. Ashely can express her beliefs in ME1 and there is very little backlash, Thane was deeply religious and was one of the most popular characters in ME2, even Mordin mentions turning to god at some point in his life and everyone loves Mordin.

Hypothetically speaking, even if Sheppard was a full on Athiest, would it really matter ?.Our hero can now be male or female, any human race or sexual orientation they like, but when it comes to religious beliefs they either have to believe or at most be on the fence (for 2 out of 3 games at least) ?.

Modifié par J0hnick, 11 avril 2012 - 05:10 .

[Han Shot First]

The Razman wrote...

Awookie wrote...

onchristieroad wrote...

I liked it. I didn't find it controversial either way in a religious sense. The bit about Shepard not being sure about his resurrection was nice though (ideal for a P/R choice there too).

Same.  In fact, Ashley's religion is a reason why people chose her over Kaidan.  It just gave her more depth. 

That and the boobs.

But mostly the boobs.

afterlife. Ashely can express her beliefs in ME1 and there is very little backlash, Thane was deeply religious and was one of the most popular characters in ME2, even Mordin mentions turning to god at some point in his life and everyone loves Mordin.

Agreed.

I think even for someone who is an atheist, the scene with Thane where Shepard and Kolyat pray for him (though the prayer turns out to be for Shepard) would still be incredibly touching. For them it wouldn't so much be for the faith-based aspects, but more for the sentiments expressed. "Guide this one Kalihira, and he will be a companion to you as he was to me." That, and most of us had to say goodbye to a close friend or loved one at some point in own lives. That scene resonates because of that, regardless of your personal belief system.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 11 avril 2012 - 05:35 .

[trobbins777]

Getorex wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Getorex wrote...

The religious stuff from Ash turned me off in the first ME game. Same thing happens in real life. You are a woman, you start spouting religious talk, we're done. That said, I had no problem with the deleted conversation. It worked (and it shat on the beliefs in a satisfying way). Win-win.

What does being a woman have to do with anything?

I said that because I'm a guy and I only go for women.  If a woman I'm interested in spouts off religious mumbo jumbo, no more interest.  Get it?  That applies in game too.  Turns me (Shepard) off.  Simple as that.

I'm sorry but Spouts? She brings it up when she talks about the death of her father and Kaiden's death, both are brief mentions. It shows us that her religion is a tool she uses to deal with some of the harder moments of her life. That's not  mumbo jumbo that's character depth. I don't mean to sound rude but i think you should be more open minded. If you just dismiss someone the second they start talking about their religion, that says alot more about you than them. 

Also Just out of curiousity did you have the same opinion about Thane?