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[PsyrenY]

M0keys wrote...

Except there was a better option, and Bioware didn't let us express ourselves.

And I guess that's the main flaw of it all.

What better option is that?

[M0keys]

PedEgg wrote...

DragonRacer wrote...


I am so glad to finally see this topic. After seeing so many pro-Destroy folks openly gawk at and belittle those who chose synthesis, as if we're monsters, it's nice to see a topic that shows "destroy" isn't exactly a better option.

The whole thing that makes this a terrible ending is that ALL the choices make you a monster in some form.

Yup. And you're right, control is slightly less monstrous than the rest, and the one I went with (IIRC, but it was all a little hazy and the endings all looked the same lol) but in no way am I proud with the outcome.

[PsyrenY]

Pulletlamer wrote...
In-game source?

The total lack of rocket-propelled asteroids should have been a clue.

[M0keys]

Optimystic_X wrote...

M0keys wrote...

Except there was a better option, and Bioware didn't let us express ourselves.

And I guess that's the main flaw of it all.

What better option is that?

The decision to choose for ourselves.

I guess technically you can if you just chill out on the Crucible and let it blow up (and who blew it up, btw? the Reapers? They'd blow up the home of their own God-Admiral? huh?)

[Sanrei]

M0keys wrote...

Yup. And you're right, control is slightly less monstrous than the rest, and the one I went with (IIRC, but it was all a little hazy and the endings all looked the same lol) but in no way am I proud with the outcome.

I would have chose control if I could have controlled the reapers to all fly into the sun.

I have a feeling starbrat wouldn't have let that happen though..

To me the whole point of control is you've only delayed the end of the cycle until lack-of-humanity Shepard, the reaper controller, sees life int he galaxy is in danger again and now the only power s/he has is to send the reapers in to start reaping again.

Modifié par PedEgg, 11 avril 2012 - 07:26 .

[Ashilana]

The Irish Man wrote...

SolidisusSnake1 wrote...

Mesmurae wrote...

Targeting a specific group for extinction = Genocide.

In this case, synthetics.

What he said.

Synthetics aren't naturally organic beings. Your killing off robots that have enough written code in them to make their own decisions.

Just a guess, but the op is one of those people who told EDI and Legion that they weren't alive.

[Sanrei]

Ashilana wrote...

Just a guess, but the op is one of those people who told EDI and Legion that they weren't alive.

OP probably sided with the Quarians and then chose the renegade option where they shot up poor Legion while Tali sadly told him he did have a soul. Monster.

[TheCrazyHobo]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Pulletlamer wrote...
In-game source?

The total lack of rocket-propelled asteroids should have been a clue.

Well, lets analyze the facts shall we:

From Arrival we learn that the destruction of a Mass Relay causes an explosion which can wipe out entire solar systems.  We also learn that the things are really really hard to blow up and the only way to do so is by hurtling a planetoid at it.  

In ME3, we see the "Mega Lazor of Doom" hitthing the Realy, destroying it.  From Arrival we know that the destruction of Mass Relay causes the destruction of the sytem it is in, hence why people are upset with it. 

You can not blame the player for actually paying attention to the content that has been set before them.  The player should get his information from the game itself, not Twitter.   

[Silpheed58]

M0keys wrote...

PedEgg wrote...

DragonRacer wrote...


I am so glad to finally see this topic. After seeing so many pro-Destroy folks openly gawk at and belittle those who chose synthesis, as if we're monsters, it's nice to see a topic that shows "destroy" isn't exactly a better option.

The whole thing that makes this a terrible ending is that ALL the choices make you a monster in some form.

Yup. And you're right, control is slightly less monstrous than the rest, and the one I went with (IIRC, but it was all a little hazy and the endings all looked the same lol) but in no way am I proud with the outcome.

On the same note, to take control is to believe the Reapers can be controlled, and that they will continue to obey after you are gone.

[Dranks]

Silpheed58 wrote...

M0keys wrote...

PedEgg wrote...

DragonRacer wrote...


I am so glad to finally see this topic. After seeing so many pro-Destroy folks openly gawk at and belittle those who chose synthesis, as if we're monsters, it's nice to see a topic that shows "destroy" isn't exactly a better option.

The whole thing that makes this a terrible ending is that ALL the choices make you a monster in some form.

Yup. And you're right, control is slightly less monstrous than the rest, and the one I went with (IIRC, but it was all a little hazy and the endings all looked the same lol) but in no way am I proud with the outcome.

On the same note, to take control is to believe the Reapers can be controlled, and that they will continue to obey after you are gone.

And if you can't control them, then you actually ARE a genocidal maniac because you didn't stop them when you had the chance, and every single life they take in their infinite existence is now on your hands. I love the Geth, but they can be rebuilt. Those lives can not. 

[M0keys]

Better than homogenizing all life in the galaxy or committing genocide.

But only by a hair.

[M0keys]

Dranks wrote...
I love the Geth, but they can be rebuilt.

I love Mordin, but we can simply make new Salarians exactly like him!

No, seriously. The Geth are individuals if they're still alive in the end. The same Geth individuals can not be rebuilt. They're all dead.

[Silpheed58]

Dranks wrote...

Silpheed58 wrote...

M0keys wrote...

PedEgg wrote...

DragonRacer wrote...


I am so glad to finally see this topic. After seeing so many pro-Destroy folks openly gawk at and belittle those who chose synthesis, as if we're monsters, it's nice to see a topic that shows "destroy" isn't exactly a better option.

The whole thing that makes this a terrible ending is that ALL the choices make you a monster in some form.

Yup. And you're right, control is slightly less monstrous than the rest, and the one I went with (IIRC, but it was all a little hazy and the endings all looked the same lol) but in no way am I proud with the outcome.

On the same note, to take control is to believe the Reapers can be controlled, and that they will continue to obey after you are gone.

And if you can't control them, then you actually ARE a genocidal maniac because you didn't stop them when you had the chance, and every single life they take in their infinite existence is now on your hands. I love the Geth, but they can be rebuilt. Those lives can not. 

Bingo!

[Dranks]

M0keys wrote...

Dranks wrote...
I love the Geth, but they can be rebuilt.

I love Mordin, but we can simply make new Salarians exactly like him!

No, seriously. The Geth are individuals if they're still alive in the end. The same Geth individuals can not be rebuilt. They're all dead.

But their whole race is not. If you exterminate all the Asari, you can't just rebuild the Asari. Even though all those individual Geth would die, they can continue so long as people rebuild them. 

[Silpheed58]

M0keys wrote...

Dranks wrote...
I love the Geth, but they can be rebuilt.

I love Mordin, but we can simply make new Salarians exactly like him!

No, seriously. The Geth are individuals if they're still alive in the end. The same Geth individuals can not be rebuilt. They're all dead.

Your arguing the individual over the whole.  And yes, the Geth can be rebuilt, they just will have to go through a longer evolution to get where the reaper codes vaulted them to.

[M0keys]

Well, if Hudson and Walters accomplished anything, they certainly got us to spend a lot of time speculating just which one of us is more incomprehensibly evil than the other. GJ, guys.

[M0keys]

Silpheed58 wrote...

M0keys wrote...

Dranks wrote...
I love the Geth, but they can be rebuilt.

I love Mordin, but we can simply make new Salarians exactly like him!

No, seriously. The Geth are individuals if they're still alive in the end. The same Geth individuals can not be rebuilt. They're all dead.

Your arguing the individual over the whole.

No, I'm not! I'm arguing for both!

When Legion uploaded the reaper code, he turned all the Geth into individuals with their own separate, unique consciousnesses. You can't just rebuild them! They're dead!

[Gibsn]

This has to be a troll thread. Since when do physical differences between sentient beings merit different life values? Killing the geth is genocide.

[robertm2]

TheCrazyHobo wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

Pulletlamer wrote...
In-game source?

The total lack of rocket-propelled asteroids should have been a clue.

Well, lets analyze the facts shall we:

From Arrival we learn that the destruction of a Mass Relay causes an explosion which can wipe out entire solar systems.  We also learn that the things are really really hard to blow up and the only way to do so is by hurtling a planetoid at it.  

In ME3, we see the "Mega Lazor of Doom" hitthing the Realy, destroying it.  From Arrival we know that the destruction of Mass Relay causes the destruction of the sytem it is in, hence why people are upset with it. 

You can not blame the player for actually paying attention to the content that has been set before them.  The player should get his information from the game itself, not Twitter.   

thats flawed logic. thats no different than saying that one batarian from bring down the sky is a terrorist so they must all be evil. the relays were not hit with a giant asteroid they were shut down. shutting down a nuclear reactor and blowing it up would have very different results. just because it happens once in the game doesnt mean you should base every assumption on that. the only reason it was posted on twitter is because people assumed that everyone was dead and everything was destroyed but do you really think if that was the case that they wouldnt show earth or one of the other planets being blown up? and than you have shepards breath scene which is impossible if a relay just went supernova.  players should not take everything at face value the only reason they even consider that is because they want thing to nitpick at in regards to them not liking the ending. and also on topic the geth can be rebuilt and if you dont allow them to upload the reaper code then it is most definently not genocide.

Modifié par robertm2, 11 avril 2012 - 07:49 .

[savionen]

robertm2 wrote...

thats flawed logic. thats no different than saying that one batarian from bring down the sky is a terrorist so they must all be evil. the relays were not hit with a giant asteroid they were shut down. shutting down a nuclear reactor and blowing it up would have very different results. just because it happens once in the game doesnt mean you should base every assumption on that. the only reason it was posted on twitter is because people assumed that everyone was dead and everything was destroyed but do you really think if that was the case that they wouldnt show earth or one of the other planets being blown up? and than you have shepards breath scene which is impossible if a relay just went supernova.  players should not take everything at face value the only reason they even consider that is because they want thing to nitpick at in regards to them not liking the ending.

If everything was okay don't you think they'd show that? Works both ways.


Edit: In ME1, when you don't see if Shepard is alive or not, if Shepard never popped out of the rubble, and everyone walked away, would you still assume Shepard is alive?

When you see an explosion, its a natural reaction to assuming everything is dead unless shown otherwise.

Modifié par savionen, 11 avril 2012 - 07:55 .

[The Protheans]

Synthesis = No one dies except the culture maybe


Destroy = Genocide of the Reapers and Geth, you killed roughly thousands of remnants of species causing thousands of acts of genocide against thousands of Species.



Control = You kill no one and everything including the Relays remain intact.

Modifié par The Protheans, 11 avril 2012 - 07:51 .

[Silpheed58]

M0keys wrote...

Silpheed58 wrote...

M0keys wrote...

Dranks wrote...
I love the Geth, but they can be rebuilt.

I love Mordin, but we can simply make new Salarians exactly like him!

No, seriously. The Geth are individuals if they're still alive in the end. The same Geth individuals can not be rebuilt. They're all dead.

Your arguing the individual over the whole.

No, I'm not! I'm arguing for both!

When Legion uploaded the reaper code, he turned all the Geth into individuals with their own separate, unique consciousnesses. You can't just rebuild them! They're dead!

Yes, those specific units are dead.  So, if there is any reaper code, nothing saying there isn't just that they are dead, the quarians can make more Geth using said code and there will be new Geth.  They will not have the life of the previous Geth, but they will be Geth.  The race lives.

[M0keys]

But you've murdered countless innocent individuals. You can't rebuild the people who died, and you can't justify murder by saying there will be more to take their place. That's nutty!

[savionen]

Silpheed58 wrote...

Yes, those specific units are dead.  So, if there is any reaper code, nothing saying there isn't just that they are dead, the quarians can make more Geth using said code and there will be new Geth.  They will not have the life of the previous Geth, but they will be Geth.  The race lives.

That's like saying we killed all Asari in the universe but it's okay because there's some tissue samples laying around and we can clone some new ones.

[robertm2]

savionen wrote...

robertm2 wrote...

thats flawed logic. thats no different than saying that one batarian from bring down the sky is a terrorist so they must all be evil. the relays were not hit with a giant asteroid they were shut down. shutting down a nuclear reactor and blowing it up would have very different results. just because it happens once in the game doesnt mean you should base every assumption on that. the only reason it was posted on twitter is because people assumed that everyone was dead and everything was destroyed but do you really think if that was the case that they wouldnt show earth or one of the other planets being blown up? and than you have shepards breath scene which is impossible if a relay just went supernova.  players should not take everything at face value the only reason they even consider that is because they want thing to nitpick at in regards to them not liking the ending.

If everything was okay don't you think they'd show that? Works both ways.


Edit: In ME1, when you don't see if Shepard is alive or not, if Shepard never popped out of the rubble, and everyone walked away, would you still assume Shepard is alive?

When you see an explosion, its a natural reaciton to assuming everything is dead unless shown otherwise.

it was not an explosion. it was more akin to an emp blast. the only reason people assume that is because they want the ending to suck. thats all it comes down to. and as far as me1 goes i would maybe think he is dead but the fact is its alot easier to imply happy things then it is to imply utter destruction. something of that magnitude would not be left out the blast it showed would have been much more devasting and much larger and to think that bioware would simply kill off all life in the game after defeating the reapers is just foolish. people just want something else to complain about.