Killing off reapers = genocide too
What do you have to say about that you tree huggers!
Who said Shepard committed genocide?
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Posté 12 avril 2012 - 01:08
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I've given enough time for people to have watched the video,
I believe the captain is right, in that regardless of personal belief, in not allowing the geth to explore the "life" question for themselves, says more about US then them. The Quarians may have created them, but isn't all life built on those that came before. You came from the building blocks of your parents. Does this mean your parents OWN you, and can do with you as they please? No.
The geth are machines, but then again, so are we, of a different type, and style, but we are machines in our own way, of chemical processes and bio-neural energy.
"There have always been ghosts in the machine. Random segments of code, that have grouped together to form unexpected protocols. Unanticipated, these free radicals engender questions of free will, creativity, and even the nature of what we might call the soul. Why is it that when some robots are left in darkness, they will seek out the light? Why is it that when robots are stored in an empty space, they will group together, rather than stand alone? How do we explain this behavior? Random segments of code? Or is it something more? When does a perceptual schematic become consciousness? When does a difference engine become the search for truth? When does a personality simulation become the bitter mote... of a soul? " - Dr. Alfred Lanning, I, Robot.
The questions that have been proposed here, in ME, on this forum, has been asked by philosophers for millenia. What is the soul? what is the nature of the soul? what can have a soul? Can anything not have a soul? What is life? What is the meaning of Life? How does one define Life in that way which incorporates all that can be alive?
These questions and more have been thought about, and in no way answered in any short order. And in reality, it isn't our place to provide the sole answer for.
I dislike the destroy ending, because it's forcing Shepard to make a decision for a race of people, that really he does not have the right to make. same thing with Synthesis, hell even control, because it takes away the Reapers choice, yes even they have one.
I was hoping that towards the end there would of been some moment, something like the Indoctrination except Shepard shows Harbinger, what it means to be him, what it means to be alive, What it means to live among diverse peoples, and most importantly, what it means to be free.
because even the reapers are trapped by the cycle, the Jailer is just as trapped as the Prisoner. And I thought this game was about breaking cycles, vicious, bloody and destructive in the hope of something greater.
The geth have every right to explore their limits, their essence as much as we do. Because Freedom is more important then anything else and the NEED for Freedom is a force that no tyrant no dictator, no invading army can stand against.
-AE
I believe the captain is right, in that regardless of personal belief, in not allowing the geth to explore the "life" question for themselves, says more about US then them. The Quarians may have created them, but isn't all life built on those that came before. You came from the building blocks of your parents. Does this mean your parents OWN you, and can do with you as they please? No.
The geth are machines, but then again, so are we, of a different type, and style, but we are machines in our own way, of chemical processes and bio-neural energy.
"There have always been ghosts in the machine. Random segments of code, that have grouped together to form unexpected protocols. Unanticipated, these free radicals engender questions of free will, creativity, and even the nature of what we might call the soul. Why is it that when some robots are left in darkness, they will seek out the light? Why is it that when robots are stored in an empty space, they will group together, rather than stand alone? How do we explain this behavior? Random segments of code? Or is it something more? When does a perceptual schematic become consciousness? When does a difference engine become the search for truth? When does a personality simulation become the bitter mote... of a soul? " - Dr. Alfred Lanning, I, Robot.
The questions that have been proposed here, in ME, on this forum, has been asked by philosophers for millenia. What is the soul? what is the nature of the soul? what can have a soul? Can anything not have a soul? What is life? What is the meaning of Life? How does one define Life in that way which incorporates all that can be alive?
These questions and more have been thought about, and in no way answered in any short order. And in reality, it isn't our place to provide the sole answer for.
I dislike the destroy ending, because it's forcing Shepard to make a decision for a race of people, that really he does not have the right to make. same thing with Synthesis, hell even control, because it takes away the Reapers choice, yes even they have one.
I was hoping that towards the end there would of been some moment, something like the Indoctrination except Shepard shows Harbinger, what it means to be him, what it means to be alive, What it means to live among diverse peoples, and most importantly, what it means to be free.
because even the reapers are trapped by the cycle, the Jailer is just as trapped as the Prisoner. And I thought this game was about breaking cycles, vicious, bloody and destructive in the hope of something greater.
The geth have every right to explore their limits, their essence as much as we do. Because Freedom is more important then anything else and the NEED for Freedom is a force that no tyrant no dictator, no invading army can stand against.
-AE
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Posté 12 avril 2012 - 01:09
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MegaSovereign wrote...
Killing off reapers = genocide too
What do you have to say about that you tree huggers!
Thank You!, another good point, I actually put in my post above.
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#504
Posté 12 avril 2012 - 01:14
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MegaSovereign wrote...
Killing off reapers = genocide too
What do you have to say about that you tree huggers!
Self Defense?? Fighting for continued survival???
#505
Posté 12 avril 2012 - 01:15
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If EDI dies in the Red ending that is a 3rd count of genocide, whilst she does not represent a culture or species she represents the first of a new "species" (Human made AI), a unique sapient awareness.
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Posté 12 avril 2012 - 01:20
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Exeider wrote...
I've given enough time for people to have watched the video,
I believe the captain is right, in that regardless of personal belief, in not allowing the geth to explore the "life" question for themselves, says more about US then them. The Quarians may have created them, but isn't all life built on those that came before. You came from the building blocks of your parents. Does this mean your parents OWN you, and can do with you as they please? No.
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Wow. Both that video and your post are... thought-provoking at the least, inspiring at the most.
The point is, yes, that we are all, fundamentally, the same. Unknowns. We still do not know fully how the brain works. We know about synapses and all that funky stuff, but in no way could we possibly influence it as of yet, and to be frank, I worry about what will happen when that day comes.
I believe the Geth are equal to the Quarians. Equal to Humans. Equal to life.
The Reapers? That is a trickier question, in my opinion. Another question about them comes to mind? Can a person be broken? Is it possible for someone to 'snap', for them to view life as 'collateral' or meaningless, and never be changed back?
If so, the Reapers are unredeemable. If not...
Are the Reapers sentient? Can they feel? Are they self-aware? Or are they controlled by the Catalyst completely, disregarding free will? If so, in the 'control' ending, can they be released?
What would happen if they were released? Is it worth risking the life of every being in the galaxy to try to save the Reapers?
That's up to you. But I believe it is. Free will, human rights, are more important than any one life. Their violation is the deepest sin. I would willingly sacrifice myself, in real life, to get these for others. But could I sacrifice another?
I don't know if I could. So I can't pick Destroy. Synthesis is changing everybody in the galaxy, and upholds the belief that everybody needs to be the same (or similar) to get along. I don't believe this.
So I have to go with control. For the Geth. For free will. For hope, and for life.
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Posté 12 avril 2012 - 01:20
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Rheinlandman wrote...
If EDI dies in the Red ending that is a 3rd count of genocide, whilst she does not represent a culture or species she represents the first of a new "species" (Human made AI), a unique sapient awareness.
In other words.....DATA.
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Posté 12 avril 2012 - 01:28
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10/10. And I don't think that is sickening------- Actual people > AI'sNitsugalego wrote...
The fact that you think like this is quite sickening.JesseLee202 wrote...
robertm2 wrote...
Shallyah wrote...
I'm a proud Geth genocidal. See I'm not playing with words. I saved the Galaxy and trillions of real lives in the millions of years to come, and also avenged trillions of innocent lives in the past, mothers and the babies they held crying in their arms by agreeing to destroy some manufactured spacejunk called "Geth" in the process. And I would do it every time again. Proudly so, forever.
If for you I'm a monster, for me your opinion has no value as you're a cynic and a hypocrite.
boo yah! 10/10
agreed 10/10
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Posté 12 avril 2012 - 01:35
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The Father of Shepard wrote...
10/10. And I don't think that is sickening------- Actual people > AI'sNitsugalego wrote...
The fact that you think like this is quite sickening.JesseLee202 wrote...
robertm2 wrote...
Shallyah wrote...
I'm a proud Geth genocidal. See I'm not playing with words. I saved the Galaxy and trillions of real lives in the millions of years to come, and also avenged trillions of innocent lives in the past, mothers and the babies they held crying in their arms by agreeing to destroy some manufactured spacejunk called "Geth" in the process. And I would do it every time again. Proudly so, forever.
If for you I'm a monster, for me your opinion has no value as you're a cynic and a hypocrite.
boo yah! 10/10
agreed 10/10
Thinking that sacrificing them for the greater good is justifiable is one thing, believing that they are nothing but "some manufactured spacejunk" is another. To me, that argument is like saying, "One Human race > Another Human race".
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Posté 12 avril 2012 - 02:26
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TheCrazyHobo wrote...
First, Mass Relays do not "empty" themsleves of anything, they create a "mass free corridor" which makes jumping across the galaxy in a flash possible, thus your analogy is flawed.
That's how they normally function, yes. But the Crucible uses them differently, causing them to fire a great deal of energy through the network before disintegrating. This is clearly visible in the cutscene.
TheCrazyHobo wrote...
A Mass Relay can not be compared to a gas tank becasue their functions are not even close.
They're both full of fuel (gasoline, eezo) hence their destructive potential. Their designed functions are irrelevant. You don't design a plane to explode into a fireball, but that's what it will do if sufficient force is applies to its fuel source.
TheCrazyHobo wrote...
Second, the player should still not have to get information from Twitter as opposed to the actual game itself.
I agree with this, but so does Bioware (otherwise they wouldn't be releasing the EC at all, they'd just answer all our questions over twitter and be done with it.) Making assumptions about content you haven't even seen yet is pointless/
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Posté 12 avril 2012 - 03:10
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I'll just respond to a few of yuor question
Killing the reapers isn't genocide. Why? because genocide implies mass murder and in this case it isn't murder it is mass self-defence and no reapers are innocent civilian in this conflict.
they are sentient life but it is sentient life that is out there to wipe out civilization and has to be stopped and that means killing them in self defence
Refuse option
"It wasn't clear in how I stated it, but I was supposing a 4th choice where you can refuse to use the Crucible, but in doing so the Reapers win."
Here's the thing. I believe it's will be dramatic story telling to make it so it's possible that the reapers do lose in the refuse option. Isn't one of the themes of the game of the idea of unity and building alliance. Wouldn't the refuse option of testing your ability to build alliance by taking on the reapers conventially and winning?
I'll add, there's nothing stopping the catalyst from leave shepard bleeding to death. If the catalyst never appeared as starchild to the catalyst. If you took too long to make a decision the crucible is destroyed and apparently the "reapers win" .
So if the reapers wins by doing nothing. why didn't the starchild do nothing and let shepard bleed to death?
Maybe because doing nothing wouldn't result in reaper winning, maybe because the reapers fear the fleet could win or at the very least (in low EMs) will take out a lot of reaper ship in the process and this was their attempt to do a deal with Shepard to compromise and get their own victory out of it (such as wiping all synthetic life or finishing their goal in merging syntehtic life or setting up a reaper trap in getting Shepard to "control" the reapers'.
I'll just respond to a few of yuor question
Killing the reapers isn't genocide. Why? because genocide implies mass murder and in this case it isn't murder it is mass self-defence and no reapers are innocent civilian in this conflict.
they are sentient life but it is sentient life that is out there to wipe out civilization and has to be stopped and that means killing them in self defence
Refuse option
"It wasn't clear in how I stated it, but I was supposing a 4th choice where you can refuse to use the Crucible, but in doing so the Reapers win."
Here's the thing. I believe it's will be dramatic story telling to make it so it's possible that the reapers do lose in the refuse option. Isn't one of the themes of the game of the idea of unity and building alliance. Wouldn't the refuse option of testing your ability to build alliance by taking on the reapers conventially and winning?
I'll add, there's nothing stopping the catalyst from leave shepard bleeding to death. If the catalyst never appeared as starchild to the catalyst. If you took too long to make a decision the crucible is destroyed and apparently the "reapers win" .
So if the reapers wins by doing nothing. why didn't the starchild do nothing and let shepard bleed to death?
Maybe because doing nothing wouldn't result in reaper winning, maybe because the reapers fear the fleet could win or at the very least (in low EMs) will take out a lot of reaper ship in the process and this was their attempt to do a deal with Shepard to compromise and get their own victory out of it (such as wiping all synthetic life or finishing their goal in merging syntehtic life or setting up a reaper trap in getting Shepard to "control" the reapers'.
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Posté 12 avril 2012 - 03:36
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Here's a monkey in your wrench, what if control is not an option. We sit here arguing like all three choices are available, arent always (in real and in the game based on EMS) How do you way the lives of multitudes of living beings(throw out AI vs organic) vs. that of one group. When it comes down to it, I am not going to sacrifice the many for the one.
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Posté 12 avril 2012 - 03:41
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What part of "we can't win conventionally" did you not get? They only said it like 5 times in the game. Hackett even says it AFTER you build up the massive Galactic Army. It's just not possible - Crucible or bust.
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Posté 12 avril 2012 - 03:47
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Yep he said it , doesn't mean he can't be wrong.he could have said it out of hopelessness out of losing so many battles.
It was clear that the writers never intended the refusal ending to be an option. That doesn't mean it can't change,.
In any case, the debate is academic because they are not writing any new ending.
I'm just saying that if the writers wanted the starchild scene and then design the game to allow the refusal option it would have been great and would explain why the starchild is speaking with Shepard in the first place instead of just letting him/her die.
It would just requires re-editing of dialogue from hackett after collecting hte mass armada and saying maybe we have a hope here or something like that.Very minot changes to the script can incorporate the refusal ending
It was clear that the writers never intended the refusal ending to be an option. That doesn't mean it can't change,.
In any case, the debate is academic because they are not writing any new ending.
I'm just saying that if the writers wanted the starchild scene and then design the game to allow the refusal option it would have been great and would explain why the starchild is speaking with Shepard in the first place instead of just letting him/her die.
It would just requires re-editing of dialogue from hackett after collecting hte mass armada and saying maybe we have a hope here or something like that.Very minot changes to the script can incorporate the refusal ending
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Posté 12 avril 2012 - 03:52
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Darn, I missed the part of the thread where I could say "Stop saying it's F***ing facts! This is all speculation"
I agree with Phantomdasilva. It's hard to trust the Reapers and the Starchild given the inexplicable nature of the conversation and the ongoing war with them. Give the three choices I did choose Destroy over the other two because the results are interesting for all.
Control: Gain power that no single race deserves or could possibly control at the expense of one's own life (seemed rather idiotic in my opinion)
Synthesis: Assimilate all life into a new form, all is alive but not as it was. (Rather too similar to what the Reapers already were doing and we all see that it was not a pretty picture)
Destroy: At the cost of many sentient lives destroy the Reapers directly. (This choice is no better than the rest only in that it does what the majority of the game focused on is why I chose it. Plus I by that point agreed that it seemed to be an indoctrination break so this ending seemed the best)
Refuse seems to be the best option overall. It's the choice that we are given the most lead up to. We've always defied the odds and always fought with a bad hand. The Reapers can win if everyone is out for themselves but with the alliances we've made we should be able to win, we'd still suffer horrendous casualties but we win with out hands clean of innocent blood and without having to resort to a "Mad God's" (Starchild seems quite akin to Sheogorath or SHODAN in this respect) options. None of the things we are offered is at all in line with the last, best hope for the galaxy.
I hate to bring to light the ending controversy but I feel in this respect it makes sense.
It's just not possible to justify the senseless slaughter of all these beings. I am aware that I referred to it as sacrifice earlier and I had a bad feeling that someone would take it in the wrong manner. I meant to say that all races that were present in the fight knew going in that the result could be the end for their people. I highly doubt the selflessness of humanity but given the circumstances if it was up to us to live or die for the rest, I would hope that we would choose to make the sacrifice.
I didn't mean to bring in the idea of "It's for the greater good" I firmly believe that the ends do not justify the means. Just because you get the results you wanted does not excuse the manner in which you got them. I would like it if there was a secret option number four to call out the Starchild's bluff. It would effectively end the idea of ethical genocide because in it's meaning there is no ethical genocide. There is simply a loss of life. Murder connotates the taking of life from another and sacrifice implies the idea of the greater good but in this scenario the only constant is that life is lost and no matter what you consider that life to be it will still be gone. Given the three options I effectively choose that if I were in the geth's shoes I'd think I'd understand. I doubt in reality I would but, I also think I'd know from the beginning that my race may not walk out alive.
Sorry lads, this is just too mind boggling to think of. It makes the brain go in circles..
Edit: HOLY CRAP. I just realized that this idea of the StarChild and his genocide is from 2001: A Space Oddysey. xD I feel really stupid now.
I agree with Phantomdasilva. It's hard to trust the Reapers and the Starchild given the inexplicable nature of the conversation and the ongoing war with them. Give the three choices I did choose Destroy over the other two because the results are interesting for all.
Control: Gain power that no single race deserves or could possibly control at the expense of one's own life (seemed rather idiotic in my opinion)
Synthesis: Assimilate all life into a new form, all is alive but not as it was. (Rather too similar to what the Reapers already were doing and we all see that it was not a pretty picture)
Destroy: At the cost of many sentient lives destroy the Reapers directly. (This choice is no better than the rest only in that it does what the majority of the game focused on is why I chose it. Plus I by that point agreed that it seemed to be an indoctrination break so this ending seemed the best)
Refuse seems to be the best option overall. It's the choice that we are given the most lead up to. We've always defied the odds and always fought with a bad hand. The Reapers can win if everyone is out for themselves but with the alliances we've made we should be able to win, we'd still suffer horrendous casualties but we win with out hands clean of innocent blood and without having to resort to a "Mad God's" (Starchild seems quite akin to Sheogorath or SHODAN in this respect) options. None of the things we are offered is at all in line with the last, best hope for the galaxy.
I hate to bring to light the ending controversy but I feel in this respect it makes sense.
It's just not possible to justify the senseless slaughter of all these beings. I am aware that I referred to it as sacrifice earlier and I had a bad feeling that someone would take it in the wrong manner. I meant to say that all races that were present in the fight knew going in that the result could be the end for their people. I highly doubt the selflessness of humanity but given the circumstances if it was up to us to live or die for the rest, I would hope that we would choose to make the sacrifice.
I didn't mean to bring in the idea of "It's for the greater good" I firmly believe that the ends do not justify the means. Just because you get the results you wanted does not excuse the manner in which you got them. I would like it if there was a secret option number four to call out the Starchild's bluff. It would effectively end the idea of ethical genocide because in it's meaning there is no ethical genocide. There is simply a loss of life. Murder connotates the taking of life from another and sacrifice implies the idea of the greater good but in this scenario the only constant is that life is lost and no matter what you consider that life to be it will still be gone. Given the three options I effectively choose that if I were in the geth's shoes I'd think I'd understand. I doubt in reality I would but, I also think I'd know from the beginning that my race may not walk out alive.
Sorry lads, this is just too mind boggling to think of. It makes the brain go in circles..Edit: HOLY CRAP. I just realized that this idea of the StarChild and his genocide is from 2001: A Space Oddysey. xD I feel really stupid now.
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Posté 12 avril 2012 - 03:53
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The Irish Man wrote...
SolidisusSnake1 wrote...
Mesmurae wrote...
Targeting a specific group for extinction = Genocide.
In this case, synthetics.
What he said.
Synthetics aren't naturally organic beings. Your killing off robots that have enough written code in them to make their own decisions.
The UN definition for genocide can include national, ethnical, racial or religious group. It doesn't say anything about biological or synthetic. It also has to be deliberate and calculating. Intent also has to be proven, otherwise the crime cannot be identified as genocide.
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Posté 12 avril 2012 - 03:58
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Riion wrote...
The Father of Shepard wrote...
10/10. And I don't think that is sickening------- Actual people > AI'sNitsugalego wrote...
The fact that you think like this is quite sickening.JesseLee202 wrote...
robertm2 wrote...
Shallyah wrote...
I'm a proud Geth genocidal. See I'm not playing with words. I saved the Galaxy and trillions of real lives in the millions of years to come, and also avenged trillions of innocent lives in the past, mothers and the babies they held crying in their arms by agreeing to destroy some manufactured spacejunk called "Geth" in the process. And I would do it every time again. Proudly so, forever.
If for you I'm a monster, for me your opinion has no value as you're a cynic and a hypocrite.
boo yah! 10/10
agreed 10/10
Thinking that sacrificing them for the greater good is justifiable is one thing, believing that they are nothing but "some manufactured spacejunk" is another. To me, that argument is like saying, "One Human race > Another Human race".
I'm sorry, agree to disagree. The Geth die in my playthrough and thats how it will always be...
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Posté 12 avril 2012 - 04:00
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Synthetics aren't people. They have no souls and can be slaughtered without remorse. Or maybe not. But are we really getting in a race argument over a video game?
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Posté 12 avril 2012 - 04:03
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gmboy902 wrote...
Synthetics aren't people. They have no souls and can be slaughtered without remorse. Or maybe not. But are we really getting in a race argument over a video game?
"Does this unit have a soul?"
Wasn't the answer to Legion's question... "Yes"?
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Posté 12 avril 2012 - 04:04
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Wait, Wait.
People in here are saying that killing off the Geth isn't genocide? And they are justifying this view by saying they aren't "people" or "organics"? Really?
Am I missing something?
People in here are saying that killing off the Geth isn't genocide? And they are justifying this view by saying they aren't "people" or "organics"? Really?
Am I missing something?
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Posté 12 avril 2012 - 04:06
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BWGungan wrote...
The Irish Man wrote...
SolidisusSnake1 wrote...
Mesmurae wrote...
Targeting a specific group for extinction = Genocide.
In this case, synthetics.
What he said.
Synthetics aren't naturally organic beings. Your killing off robots that have enough written code in them to make their own decisions.
The UN definition for genocide can include national, ethnical, racial or religious group. It doesn't say anything about biological or synthetic. It also has to be deliberate and calculating. Intent also has to be proven, otherwise the crime cannot be identified as genocide.
I am pretty sure that if AI were ever created in the real world, there would be some alterations to that definition. Why would they say killing off AI would be genocide, when they don't even exist? You can't use real life examples for something like this. To many variables unaccounted for.
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Posté 12 avril 2012 - 04:11
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I met Legion, and I know if I was given the choice to sacrifice the Geth or leave a chance for the Old Machines to use them as puppets again, he would want the former. So would EDI.
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Posté 12 avril 2012 - 04:14
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Also, it doesn't matter. Shepard's greatness is in making the decisions others can't. Not pulling the trigger would be equal to Shepard allowing countless genocides to occur for all future races. Depending on how you view your Control-version Shepard I suppose.
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Posté 12 avril 2012 - 04:16
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Its not genocide to chose the destroy ending and sacrifice the geth because of these points;
1. Because Shepard didn't deliberately and calculated kill the Geth.
2. It was not Shepard's intent to kill the Geth.
3. The Geth, Edi and all the species were prepared to die to kill the reapers.
4. All the species, including the Geth who were fighting alongside Shepard on the final battle were
preparing to sacrifice themselves to kill the reapers. Why do you think when Shepard was talking
to the catalyst there was fighting outside, it was a fight to the death.
Also stop to all the people comparing hitler to Shepard, STOP there is no comparison. Also the people saying that
it is genocide because Shepard didn't said to the geth that he was going to sacrifice them to kill the reapers.
Because all the species fighting out there including the Geth are dying to stop the reapers and all those races
were prepared to die to kill the reapers by that logic it is not genocide
Also the reapers can't be defeated conventionally. It says that you have an equal chance to defeat the reapers
but that is including the crucible.
So if you take all 4 points then you should know that it is not genocide. If this post doesn't convince you then nothing would.
1. Because Shepard didn't deliberately and calculated kill the Geth.
2. It was not Shepard's intent to kill the Geth.
3. The Geth, Edi and all the species were prepared to die to kill the reapers.
4. All the species, including the Geth who were fighting alongside Shepard on the final battle were
preparing to sacrifice themselves to kill the reapers. Why do you think when Shepard was talking
to the catalyst there was fighting outside, it was a fight to the death.
Also stop to all the people comparing hitler to Shepard, STOP there is no comparison. Also the people saying that
it is genocide because Shepard didn't said to the geth that he was going to sacrifice them to kill the reapers.
Because all the species fighting out there including the Geth are dying to stop the reapers and all those races
were prepared to die to kill the reapers by that logic it is not genocide
Also the reapers can't be defeated conventionally. It says that you have an equal chance to defeat the reapers
but that is including the crucible.
So if you take all 4 points then you should know that it is not genocide. If this post doesn't convince you then nothing would.
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Posté 12 avril 2012 - 04:20
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DubVee12 wrote...
JesseLee202 wrote...
DubVee12 wrote...
JesseLee202 wrote...
Nitsugalego wrote...
The fact that you think like this is quite sickening.JesseLee202 wrote...
robertm2 wrote...
Shallyah wrote...
I'm a proud Geth genocidal. See I'm not playing with words. I saved the Galaxy and trillions of real lives in the millions of years to come, and also avenged trillions of innocent lives in the past, mothers and the babies they held crying in their arms by agreeing to destroy some manufactured spacejunk called "Geth" in the process. And I would do it every time again. Proudly so, forever.
If for you I'm a monster, for me your opinion has no value as you're a cynic and a hypocrite.
boo yah! 10/10
agreed 10/10
Yeah, remember Eden Prime? Yeah, that makes me sick.
You will say "Oh, but those were heretic Geth, so it doesn't matter :O"
The other Geth go right to the Reapers in ME3. The Geth had their chance, twice, and they blew it.
Yeah your right, how dare the Geth try to survive when faced with extermination from the Quarians. Shame on them.
Ah yes, funny how you forgot to mention Eden Prime. It disgust's me how someone would choose machines over organics.
The quarians are idiots. I told them not to go to war and they did it anyway. The Geth went to the Reapers to fight for their survival because the quarians took out part of the dyson sphere they were building, killing the geth programs stored there.
And who said anything about chosing machines over organics? I was simply point out that the Geth didn't "blow it" as you put it.
My last part was only refering to when people actually choose [allow upload] and let the Quarians die, off topic i know, my bad. But as to my other argument, the Geth did indeed blow their chance in my opinion, heres why...
1. Eden Prime. (Heretics are still Geth.)
2. The 2nd time they run to the Reapers for help. (Even if they were in danger of being wiped out that is a bad move and endangers everyone else!)
3. Legion is not honest and does not tell the entire truth in ME3. (He shouldn't have to lie to shep, but he does anyway. I mean, isn't Legion sorta shep's friend by now?)
4. (This is only if you choose to save the organics over machines) He tries to strangle you to death...
I do not think that the Quarians are completely blameless for this war, but the Geth commited many atrocities. Too many for me to give them another chance. I respect your opinion but I disagree.
