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[Riion]

JesseLee202 wrote...

DubVee12 wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...

DubVee12 wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...

Nitsugalego wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...

robertm2 wrote...

Shallyah wrote...

I'm a proud Geth genocidal. See I'm not playing with words. I saved the Galaxy and trillions of real lives in the millions of years to come, and also avenged trillions of innocent lives in the past, mothers and the babies they held crying in their arms by agreeing to destroy some manufactured spacejunk called "Geth" in the process. And I would do it every time again. Proudly so, forever.

If for you I'm a monster, for me your opinion has no value as you're a cynic and a hypocrite.

boo yah! 10/10

agreed 10/10 

The fact that you think like this is quite sickening.

Yeah, remember Eden Prime? Yeah, that makes me sick.
You will say "Oh, but those were heretic Geth, so it doesn't matter :O" 

The other Geth go right to the Reapers in ME3. The Geth had their chance, twice, and they blew it.

Yeah your right, how dare the Geth try to survive when faced with extermination from the Quarians. Shame on them.

 

Ah yes, funny how you forgot to mention Eden Prime. It disgust's me how someone would choose machines over organics. 

The quarians are idiots. I told them not to go to war and they did it anyway. The Geth went to the Reapers to fight for their survival because the quarians took out part of the dyson sphere they were building, killing the geth programs stored there.

And who said anything about chosing machines over organics? I was simply point out that the Geth didn't "blow it" as you put it.

My last part was only refering to when people actually choose [allow upload] and let the Quarians die, off topic i know, my bad. But as to my other argument, the Geth did indeed blow their chance in my opinion, heres why...

1. Eden Prime. (Heretics are still Geth.)

2. The 2nd time they run to the Reapers for help. (Even if they were in danger of being wiped out that is a bad move and endangers everyone else!)

3. Legion is not honest and does not tell the entire truth in ME3. (He shouldn't have to lie to shep, but he does anyway. I mean, isn't Legion sorta shep's friend by now?)

4. (This is only if you choose to save the organics over machines) He tries to strangle you to death...

I do not think that the Quarians are completely blameless for this war, but the Geth commited many atrocities. Too many for me to give them another chance. I respect your opinion but I disagree. 

1. Every single crime against humanity in the history of humanity. All commited by humans. I still think we deserve a chance as a species. 

2. Easy to say that when you aren't in that position. I doubt humans would go quietly into the night.

3. Obviously, none of us have ever lied (to a friend). Ever. 

4. I would strangle someone who just decided that my species wasn't worth saving, and sentenced us all to death, even if he was my best bud ever. 

[Cruders]

JesseLee202 wrote...

DubVee12 wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...

DubVee12 wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...

Nitsugalego wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...

robertm2 wrote...

Shallyah wrote...

I'm a proud Geth genocidal. See I'm not playing with words. I saved the Galaxy and trillions of real lives in the millions of years to come, and also avenged trillions of innocent lives in the past, mothers and the babies they held crying in their arms by agreeing to destroy some manufactured spacejunk called "Geth" in the process. And I would do it every time again. Proudly so, forever.

If for you I'm a monster, for me your opinion has no value as you're a cynic and a hypocrite.

boo yah! 10/10

agreed 10/10 

The fact that you think like this is quite sickening.

Yeah, remember Eden Prime? Yeah, that makes me sick.
You will say "Oh, but those were heretic Geth, so it doesn't matter :O" 

The other Geth go right to the Reapers in ME3. The Geth had their chance, twice, and they blew it.

Yeah your right, how dare the Geth try to survive when faced with extermination from the Quarians. Shame on them.

 

Ah yes, funny how you forgot to mention Eden Prime. It disgust's me how someone would choose machines over organics. 

The quarians are idiots. I told them not to go to war and they did it anyway. The Geth went to the Reapers to fight for their survival because the quarians took out part of the dyson sphere they were building, killing the geth programs stored there.

And who said anything about chosing machines over organics? I was simply point out that the Geth didn't "blow it" as you put it.

My last part was only refering to when people actually choose [allow upload] and let the Quarians die, off topic i know, my bad. But as to my other argument, the Geth did indeed blow their chance in my opinion, heres why...

1. Eden Prime. (Heretics are still Geth.)

2. The 2nd time they run to the Reapers for help. (Even if they were in danger of being wiped out that is a bad move and endangers everyone else!)

3. Legion is not honest and does not tell the entire truth in ME3. (He shouldn't have to lie to shep, but he does anyway. I mean, isn't Legion sorta shep's friend by now?)

4. (This is only if you choose to save the organics over machines) He tries to strangle you to death...

I do not think that the Quarians are completely blameless for this war, but the Geth commited many atrocities. Too many for me to give them another chance. I respect your opinion but I disagree. 

1. So using your logic... All americans are racists right? (KKK are still americans). Or all germans are anti-semetic (****'s still German). right....

2. So, you wouldn't use a nuke to save your people from complete and utter annihilation? Aren't you using every possible resource to save yourself from the Reapers? Even accepting Aria's mercs (assuming you did)? Similar situation. Pre-reaper invasion, BloodPack, Eclipse, and Blue Suns were considered the "Bad Guys" and you'd kill them on sight for being bad people. Now you're accepting their help. Nice double standard

3. He mentioned he was "ashamed" and that he did trust Shep, just not the people on the ship (quarian admirals). in the past he has always been upfront with shep.

4. Should have 0 impact on your decision since this occurs AFTER your decision. Which means you wouldn't have known this thus you cannot use this against him. 

[JesseLee202]

Riion wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...

DubVee12 wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...

DubVee12 wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...

Nitsugalego wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...

robertm2 wrote...

Shallyah wrote...

I'm a proud Geth genocidal. See I'm not playing with words. I saved the Galaxy and trillions of real lives in the millions of years to come, and also avenged trillions of innocent lives in the past, mothers and the babies they held crying in their arms by agreeing to destroy some manufactured spacejunk called "Geth" in the process. And I would do it every time again. Proudly so, forever.

If for you I'm a monster, for me your opinion has no value as you're a cynic and a hypocrite.

boo yah! 10/10

agreed 10/10 

The fact that you think like this is quite sickening.

Yeah, remember Eden Prime? Yeah, that makes me sick.
You will say "Oh, but those were heretic Geth, so it doesn't matter :O" 

The other Geth go right to the Reapers in ME3. The Geth had their chance, twice, and they blew it.

Yeah your right, how dare the Geth try to survive when faced with extermination from the Quarians. Shame on them.

 

Ah yes, funny how you forgot to mention Eden Prime. It disgust's me how someone would choose machines over organics. 

The quarians are idiots. I told them not to go to war and they did it anyway. The Geth went to the Reapers to fight for their survival because the quarians took out part of the dyson sphere they were building, killing the geth programs stored there.

And who said anything about chosing machines over organics? I was simply point out that the Geth didn't "blow it" as you put it.

My last part was only refering to when people actually choose [allow upload] and let the Quarians die, off topic i know, my bad. But as to my other argument, the Geth did indeed blow their chance in my opinion, heres why...

1. Eden Prime. (Heretics are still Geth.)

2. The 2nd time they run to the Reapers for help. (Even if they were in danger of being wiped out that is a bad move and endangers everyone else!)

3. Legion is not honest and does not tell the entire truth in ME3. (He shouldn't have to lie to shep, but he does anyway. I mean, isn't Legion sorta shep's friend by now?)

4. (This is only if you choose to save the organics over machines) He tries to strangle you to death...

I do not think that the Quarians are completely blameless for this war, but the Geth commited many atrocities. Too many for me to give them another chance. I respect your opinion but I disagree. 

1. Every single crime against humanity in the history of humanity. All commited by humans. I still think we deserve a chance as a species. 

2. Easy to say that when you aren't in that position. I doubt humans would go quietly into the night.

3. Obviously, none of us have ever lied (to a friend). Ever. 

4. I would strangle someone who just decided that my species wasn't worth saving, and sentenced us all to death, even if he was my best bud ever. 

1,2,3. You are comparing humans to machines... not an accurate comparison. And no I do not think that humans would be so stupid as to go to the reapers for help. (We sorta were in that position btw)

4. So because you choose to save an entire ORGANIC race over machines, he tries to kill you.

Machines can be rebuilt. Once organics die, there is no coming back (except for shep...)

[shepard1038]

[quote]JesseLee202 wrote...

[quote]Riion wrote...

[quote]JesseLee202 wrote...

[quote]DubVee12 wrote...

[quote]JesseLee202 wrote...

[quote]DubVee12 wrote...

[quote]JesseLee202 wrote...

[quote]Nitsugalego wrote...

[quote]JesseLee202 wrote...

[quote]robertm2 wrote...

[quote]Shallyah wrote...

I'm a proud Geth genocidal. See I'm not playing with words. I saved the Galaxy and trillions of real lives in the millions of years to come, and also avenged trillions of innocent lives in the past, mothers and the babies they held crying in their arms by agreeing to destroy some manufactured spacejunk called "Geth" in the process. And I would do it every time again. Proudly so, forever.

If for you I'm a monster, for me your opinion has no value as you're a cynic and a hypocrite.
[/quote]

boo yah! 10/10

[/quote]

agreed 10/10 

[/quote]
The fact that you think like this is quite sickening.
[/quote]

Yeah, remember Eden Prime? Yeah, that makes me sick.
You will say "Oh, but those were heretic Geth, so it doesn't matter :O" 

The other Geth go right to the Reapers in ME3. The Geth had their chance, twice, and they blew it.

[/quote]

Yeah your right, how dare the Geth try to survive when faced with extermination from the Quarians. Shame on them. [/quote] 

Ah yes, funny how you forgot to mention Eden Prime. It disgust's me how someone would choose machines over organics. 





[/quote]

The quarians are idiots. I told them not to go to war and they did it anyway. The Geth went to the Reapers to fight for their survival because the quarians took out part of the dyson sphere they were building, killing the geth programs stored there.

And who said anything about chosing machines over organics? I was simply point out that the Geth didn't "blow it" as you put it.
[/quote]

My last part was only refering to when people actually choose [allow upload] and let the Quarians die, off topic i know, my bad. But as to my other argument, the Geth did indeed blow their chance in my opinion, heres why...

1. Eden Prime. (Heretics are still Geth.)

2. The 2nd time they run to the Reapers for help. (Even if they were in danger of being wiped out that is a bad move and endangers everyone else!)

3. Legion is not honest and does not tell the entire truth in ME3. (He shouldn't have to lie to shep, but he does anyway. I mean, isn't Legion sorta shep's friend by now?)

4. (This is only if you choose to save the organics over machines) He tries to strangle you to death...

I do not think that the Quarians are completely blameless for this war, but the Geth commited many atrocities. Too many for me to give them another chance. I respect your opinion but I disagree. 

[/quote]

1. Every single crime against humanity in the history of humanity. All commited by humans. I still think we deserve a chance as a species. 

2. Easy to say that when you aren't in that position. I doubt humans would go quietly into the night.

3. Obviously, none of us have ever lied (to a friend). Ever. 

4. I would strangle someone who just decided that my species wasn't worth saving, and sentenced us all to death, even if he was my best bud ever. 



[/quote]

1,2,3. You are comparing humans to machines... not an accurate comparison. And no I do not think that humans would be so stupid as to go to the reapers for help. (We sorta were in that position btw)

4. So because you choose to save an entire ORGANIC race over machines, he tries to kill you.

Machines can be rebuilt. Once organics die, there is no coming back (except for shep...)





[/quote]
And that costed billions of credits.

[JesseLee202]

Indeed it did 

Modifié par JesseLee202, 12 avril 2012 - 04:37 .

[Bill Casey]

gmboy902 wrote...

Synthetics aren't people. They have no souls and can be slaughtered without remorse. Or maybe not. But are we really getting in a race argument over a video game?

You do realize all of the interaction and conflict between differing alien species is a parable for race relations and international relations...

By design it gets you invested in all of these different cultures and tries to make you see things from multiple points of view...

[Riion]

JesseLee202 wrote...

1,2,3. You are comparing humans to machines... not an accurate comparison. And no I do not think that humans would be so stupid as to go to the reapers for help. (We sorta were in that position btw)

4. So because you choose to save an entire ORGANIC race over machines, he tries to kill you.

Machines can be rebuilt. Once organics die, there is no coming back (except for shep...)

The main problem here is that you simply refuse to acknowledge that synthetics can have just as much value as organics, and especially so in the framework of the ME universe. This is like a white person comparing the value of a black person to another white person in the past (no offence to anyone); the white person would have never admitted that the black person could be considered an equal. This prejudice will prevent this debate from moving any further. 

I think humans would be just as likely to go to the Reapers if they thought the Reapers would deal with them.

Once again, you highlight your bias by capitalising "ORGANIC". 

Organics can be "rebuilt". All you need is a database containing the proper genetic material, the proper raw materials, and then recreate it in vitro.

Modifié par Riion, 12 avril 2012 - 04:42 .

[Hibernating]

Yeah, sorry but after the reaper code there is no moral difference between a geth life and and living one. Choosing to destroy the geth is eliminating a culture and hence can be considered genocide.

Its established throughout the game that the geth fear (when they were attacked by the quarians for the 2nd time and needed the Reapers help) that they care for their creators (keeping Rannoch a museum of sorts) and their desire for peace for peace's sake.
All traits of a living being, yet they wouldnt even need these to be considered a culture, the simple fact they exist and can reprogram themselves makes them have souls.

[Hibernating]

Riion wrote...

The main problem here is that you simply refuse to acknowledge that synthetics can have just as much value as organics, and especially so in the framework of the ME universe. This is like a white person comparing the value of a black person to another white person in the past (no offence to anyone); the white person would have never admitted that the black person could be considered an equal. This prejudice will prevent this debate from moving any further. 

I think humans would be just as likely to go to the Reapers if they thought the Reapers would deal with them.

Once again, you highlight your bias by capitalising "ORGANIC". 

Organics can be "rebuilt". All you need is a database containing the proper genetic material, the proper raw materials, and then recreate it in vitro.

^ This, legion is quite clearly shaped by his experiences. If you rebuilt him he would not be the same being, much the same as if you cloned a human being.

[Lughsan35]

Riion wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...

1,2,3. You are comparing humans to machines... not an accurate comparison. And no I do not think that humans would be so stupid as to go to the reapers for help. (We sorta were in that position btw)

4. So because you choose to save an entire ORGANIC race over machines, he tries to kill you.

Machines can be rebuilt. Once organics die, there is no coming back (except for shep...)

The main problem here is that you simply refuse to acknowledge that synthetics can have just as much value as organics, and especially so in the framework of the ME universe. This is like a white person comparing the value of a black person to another white person in the past (no offence to anyone); the white person would have never admitted that the black person could be considered an equal. This prejudice will prevent this debate from moving any further. 

I think humans would be just as likely to go to the Reapers if they thought the Reapers would deal with them.

Once again, you highlight your bias by capitalising "ORGANIC". 

Organics can be "rebuilt". All you need is a database containing the proper genetic material, the proper raw materials, and then recreate it in vitro.

feh just get two young of the species one male one female,  or two asari together and Viola kids, being 'rebuilt'

[JesseLee202]

"The main problem here is that you simply refuse to acknowledge that synthetics can have just as much value as organics, and especially so in the framework of the ME universe. This is like a white person comparing the value of a black person to another white person in the past (no offence to anyone); the white person would have never admitted that the black person could be considered an equal. This prejudice will prevent this debate from moving any further. 

I think humans would be just as likely to go to the Reapers if they thought the Reapers would deal with them.

Once again, you highlight your bias by capitalising "ORGANIC". 

Organics can be "rebuilt". All you need is a database containing the proper genetic material, the proper raw materials, and then recreate it in vitro."


There you go again comparing humans to machines. It is not an accurate comparison. Legion says in ME2 that ALL Geth know each others thoughts. Now imagine if we could do that, yeah it would be a big difference. Geth do not feel emotion. We do.

And no, no, no, no I was refering to a soul. You can't just make a soul from DNA... <_<

[shepard1038]

shepard1038 wrote...

Its not genocide to chose the destroy ending and sacrifice the geth because of these points;

1. Because Shepard didn't deliberately and calculated kill the Geth.

2. It was not Shepard's intent to kill the Geth.

3. The Geth, Edi and all the species were prepared to die to kill the reapers.

4. All the species, including the Geth who were fighting alongside Shepard on the final battle were
preparing to sacrifice themselves to kill the reapers. Why do you think when Shepard was talking
to the catalyst there was fighting outside, it was a fight to the death.

Also stop to all the people comparing hitler to Shepard, STOP there is no comparison. Also the people saying that
it is genocide because Shepard didn't said to the geth that he was going to sacrifice them to kill the reapers.
Because all the species fighting out there including the Geth are dying to stop the reapers and all those races
were prepared to die to kill the reapers by that logic it is not genocide

Also the reapers can't be defeated conventionally. It says that you have an equal chance to defeat the reapers
but that is including the crucible.

So if you take all 4 points then you should know that it is not genocide. If this post doesn't convince you then nothing would.

All the people here should really see my post.

[JesseLee202]

Hibernating wrote...

Yeah, sorry but after the reaper code there is no moral difference between a geth life and and living one. Choosing to destroy the geth is eliminating a culture and hence can be considered genocide.

Its established throughout the game that the geth fear (when they were attacked by the quarians for the 2nd time and needed the Reapers help) that they care for their creators (keeping Rannoch a museum of sorts) and their desire for peace for peace's sake.
All traits of a living being, yet they wouldnt even need these to be considered a culture, the simple fact they exist and can reprogram themselves makes them have souls.

So is it better if I let them die, then choose destroy?

[JesseLee202]

shepard1038 wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

Its not genocide to chose the destroy ending and sacrifice the geth because of these points;

1. Because Shepard didn't deliberately and calculated kill the Geth.

2. It was not Shepard's intent to kill the Geth.

3. The Geth, Edi and all the species were prepared to die to kill the reapers.

4. All the species, including the Geth who were fighting alongside Shepard on the final battle were
preparing to sacrifice themselves to kill the reapers. Why do you think when Shepard was talking
to the catalyst there was fighting outside, it was a fight to the death.

Also stop to all the people comparing hitler to Shepard, STOP there is no comparison. Also the people saying that
it is genocide because Shepard didn't said to the geth that he was going to sacrifice them to kill the reapers.
Because all the species fighting out there including the Geth are dying to stop the reapers and all those races
were prepared to die to kill the reapers by that logic it is not genocide

Also the reapers can't be defeated conventionally. It says that you have an equal chance to defeat the reapers
but that is including the crucible.

So if you take all 4 points then you should know that it is not genocide. If this post doesn't convince you then nothing would.

All the people here should really see my post.

Didn't see that... good post. 

[Riion]

JesseLee202 wrote...



"The main problem here is that you simply refuse to acknowledge that synthetics can have just as much value as organics, and especially so in the framework of the ME universe. This is like a white person comparing the value of a black person to another white person in the past (no offence to anyone); the white person would have never admitted that the black person could be considered an equal. This prejudice will prevent this debate from moving any further. 

I think humans would be just as likely to go to the Reapers if they thought the Reapers would deal with them.

Once again, you highlight your bias by capitalising "ORGANIC". 

Organics can be "rebuilt". All you need is a database containing the proper genetic material, the proper raw materials, and then recreate it in vitro."


There you go again comparing humans to machines. It is not an accurate comparison. Legion says in ME2 that ALL Geth know each others thoughts. Now imagine if we could do that, yeah it would be a big difference. Geth do not feel emotion. We do.

And no, no, no, no I was refering to a soul. You can't just make a soul from DNA... <_<

I'm not sure how "knowing each others' thoughts" translates to "emotionless"... in fact, I think it would make us even more empathetic.

And I'm pretty sure the "soul" issue has been... dismissed as a non issue. You can't bring in metaphysical concepts which we can't even prove organics have, let alone use it as a basis for determining value. 

[JesseLee202]

Riion wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...



"The main problem here is that you simply refuse to acknowledge that synthetics can have just as much value as organics, and especially so in the framework of the ME universe. This is like a white person comparing the value of a black person to another white person in the past (no offence to anyone); the white person would have never admitted that the black person could be considered an equal. This prejudice will prevent this debate from moving any further. 

I think humans would be just as likely to go to the Reapers if they thought the Reapers would deal with them.

Once again, you highlight your bias by capitalising "ORGANIC". 

Organics can be "rebuilt". All you need is a database containing the proper genetic material, the proper raw materials, and then recreate it in vitro."


There you go again comparing humans to machines. It is not an accurate comparison. Legion says in ME2 that ALL Geth know each others thoughts. Now imagine if we could do that, yeah it would be a big difference. Geth do not feel emotion. We do.

And no, no, no, no I was refering to a soul. You can't just make a soul from DNA... <_<

I'm not sure how "knowing each others' thoughts" translates to "emotionless"... in fact, I think it would make us even more empathetic.

And I'm pretty sure the "soul" issue has been... dismissed as a non issue. You can't bring in metaphysical concepts which we can't even prove organics have, let alone use it as a basis for determining value. 

Well, I think its safe to say that this really isn't going anywhere. Because lets face it, neither of us will change what we believe VIA the internet, and we both have our own personal reasons for choosing differently. Really good chat though, made me think. 

[Joccaren]

JesseLee202 wrote...


1,2,3. You are comparing humans to machines... not an accurate comparison. And no I do not think that humans would be so stupid as to go to the reapers for help. (We sorta were in that position btw)

4. So because you choose to save an entire ORGANIC race over machines, he tries to kill you.

Machines can be rebuilt. Once organics die, there is no coming back (except for shep...)

Firstly: People what is with these quote Pyramids, seriously they are taking up half a page!

1,2,3: People can be rebuilt. Look at Shepard.
People can be cloned.
People ARE machines, but our machinery is made out of carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, hydrogen and something else I've forgotten. A machine's is made out of Sillicon, iron, gold, platinum, aluminium and steel. So long as they are sentient [Like the Geth now are] what does it matter? Are Turians and Quarians not alive because they are Dextro amino acids instead of Levo amino acids?

4 is irrelevant, had it been another machine race choosing to extinguish his so that theirs might live, he would have fought them too.

[Joccaren]

JesseLee202 wrote...
And no, no, no, no I was refering to a soul. You can't just make a soul from DNA... <_<

Precisely, and the game acknowledges that Legion has a soul, and he plays Christ and sacrifices that so all other Geth can have true sentients and souls. The Geth after Rannoch are not the same Geth you met before Rannoch. They are now individual entities.

[Riion]

Joccaren wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...


1,2,3. You are comparing humans to machines... not an accurate comparison. And no I do not think that humans would be so stupid as to go to the reapers for help. (We sorta were in that position btw)

4. So because you choose to save an entire ORGANIC race over machines, he tries to kill you.

Machines can be rebuilt. Once organics die, there is no coming back (except for shep...)

Firstly: People what is with these quote Pyramids, seriously they are taking up half a page!

1,2,3: People can be rebuilt. Look at Shepard.
People can be cloned.
People ARE machines, but our machinery is made out of carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, hydrogen and something else I've forgotten. A machine's is made out of Sillicon, iron, gold, platinum, aluminium and steel. So long as they are sentient [Like the Geth now are] what does it matter? Are Turians and Quarians not alive because they are Dextro amino acids instead of Levo amino acids?

4 is irrelevant, had it been another machine race choosing to extinguish his so that theirs might live, he would have fought them too.

Carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, hydrogen, sulphur, phosphorous And other trace elements. 

[Joccaren]

shepard1038 wrote...

Its not genocide to chose the destroy ending and sacrifice the geth because of these points;

1. Because Shepard didn't deliberately and calculated kill the Geth.

2. It was not Shepard's intent to kill the Geth.

3. The Geth, Edi and all the species were prepared to die to kill the reapers.

4. All the species, including the Geth who were fighting alongside Shepard on the final battle were
preparing to sacrifice themselves to kill the reapers. Why do you think when Shepard was talking
to the catalyst there was fighting outside, it was a fight to the death.

1. Yes, he did. He was given the choice: Die, or have the Geth die for you. He chose to have the Geth die for him.
2. So if I launch nukes all over America with the intent of starting a Nuclear winter, but not killing Americans, and I wipe out the American people anyway, I didn't just commit Genocide?
3. So?
4. Again, so? Doesn't change what Genocide is.

[Joccaren]

Riion wrote...

Carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, hydrogen, sulphur, phosphorous And other trace elements. 

I had a feeling it was Sulphur or Phosphorous, but I couldn't decide which one, and its actually both - got it now. Thanks.

[Giantdeathrobot]

You gentlemen must be trying to outmuscle the Egyptians with all those quotes pyramids.

Now onto the matter at hand, I wouldn't call it genocide. The Geth were a sacrifice, the casualties of a war. Just as, say, the Salarians would be if Control required their extermination somehow. Genocide implies extermination for it's sake. In our case, the geth are killed by the ''side-effect'' of the Crucible firing. It really, really sucks that it has to be done, but strictly speaking you can't call it genocide.

That being said...

My last part was only refering to when people actually choose [allow
upload] and let the Quarians die, off topic i know, my bad. But as to my
other argument, the Geth did indeed blow their chance in my opinion,
heres why...

1. Eden Prime. (Heretics are still Geth.)

2.
The 2nd time they run to the Reapers for help. (Even if they were in
danger of being wiped out that is a bad move and endangers everyone
else!)

3. Legion is not honest and does not tell the entire truth
in ME3. (He shouldn't have to lie to shep, but he does anyway. I mean,
isn't Legion sorta shep's friend by now?)

4. (This is only if you choose to save the organics over machines) He tries to strangle you to death...

I
do not think that the Quarians are completely blameless for this war,
but the Geth commited many atrocities. Too many for me to give them
another chance. I respect your opinion but I disagree.

1. Funny you mention that. Let us take a similar example; Cerberus. As a specific instance, let's take Sanctuary, which was inarguably just as worse as whatever the heretic Geth did on Eden Prime. Cerberus are humans, correct? so by association all humans are guilty of the action of a splinter group and should be put to death, according to your oh so flawed logic.

2. Saren also did it. Should we exterminate all Turians for considering an alliance with the Reapers? Also, context; the Quarians had just destroyed their beloved Dyson Shpere, the work of their entire race, and began a war of agression on them. They were kinda out of options, and responded to threats in kind.

3. Yeah he's, like, the very first being in the history of the galaxy to ever lie, yo. We must obviously exterminate his race. What if, next time, he hides that it was he who ate the last cookie in the jar?

4... Do I even need to refute that point? If a dude rigt next to you just doomed your entire race to death, you would just stare at him midly interested? I know I would do my best to kill the motherfuker. Legion should have pulled his Widow and headshot Shepard if not for an interrupt imo.

And what ''atrocities'' are the Geth responsible for? Eden Prime? Ohh, a few thousand deaths at a colony. Holy hell. More people died on Earth today of war and engineered famine. Should we exterminate all humans? Oh, I know, we need to kill every Salarian because of the Genophage. And every Krogan because of the Rachni Wars. Aren't slippery slopes a fun thing. The Morning War? As we saw, pure self-defense. They could have exterminated the Quarians, but they didn't. They even took care of Rannoch awaiting the Creator's return. Not to mention happily helping them if an alliance is brokered.

Also, the Star Trek video that circulates in the thread more or less destroys any arguments as to synthetics somehow not having a ''soul'' or whatever. If it feels, thinks, can reason and can learn, it's alive, period. Whenever it thinks with a brain or a CPU is largely irrelevant.

[shepard1038]

Joccaren wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

Its not genocide to chose the destroy ending and sacrifice the geth because of these points;

1. Because Shepard didn't deliberately and calculated kill the Geth.

2. It was not Shepard's intent to kill the Geth.

3. The Geth, Edi and all the species were prepared to die to kill the reapers.

4. All the species, including the Geth who were fighting alongside Shepard on the final battle were
preparing to sacrifice themselves to kill the reapers. Why do you think when Shepard was talking
to the catalyst there was fighting outside, it was a fight to the death.

1. Yes, he did. He was given the choice: Die, or have the Geth die for you. He chose to have the Geth die for him.
2. So if I launch nukes all over America with the intent of starting a Nuclear winter, but not killing Americans, and I wipe out the American people anyway, I didn't just commit Genocide?
3. So?
4. Again, so? Doesn't change what Genocide is.

1.No the choice was kill the reapers, including the geth or control the reapers risking trillions of lives or transform
the galaxy so that synthetic life can live. The guadian never says that Shepard can live in that ending, so don't lie
and strech the truth.

2.Are you kidding me??? Because that logic is flawed like hell and doesn't apply on Shepards circustances

3.So it isn't Genocide if a species tells you that they are prepared to die and fight with you and at the end they die.

4.You better check a dictionary because the points that I maked changed if it is genocide or not. So if a species
tells you that they are prepared to sacrifice themselves to defeat the reapers and you end sacrificing them to
defeat the reapers is genocide???. Because if you say yes you proven my point.
By the definition of genocide nope it isn't genocide as crazy and flawed as you're logic is.

Genocide is not only killing on mass, they are more requirements for that to be genocide and I feel that that is
what people are forgetting.

Modifié par shepard1038, 12 avril 2012 - 05:51 .

[xeNNN]

how is it not genocide........ the geth could feel, have opinions, make decisions based upon there feelings and decisions (there was clear emotional responses in the prime's & legions voice at the end of the mission).

are we not machines to? but mearly of weaker construction.
i dont think you can measure a person simply because the way they were created is different to ours.

so no it was genocide. whether you want to believe it or not.

also remeber the quarians would be a affected to........ seeing as the fleet is in the sol system they cant live without there suits unless they are on rannoch lol all of there suits use robotics etc and dont forget the red ending doesnt just destroy reaper coded synthetics it destroys ALL snythetic life or tech so.

Modifié par xeNNN, 12 avril 2012 - 05:39 .

[NickelToe]

they will have to Retcon Arrival...

Mass Relay hit with big rock equals 300,000 or more dead.

Mass Relay hit with energy weapon equals fall apart no harm no foul

Makes sense, especially when reading through the codex.