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[JBONE27]

Switch the order.  Instead of "Synthetics will always turn on their creators,"  have "Organics will always turn on their creations."  Done, now he's saving synthetics... but that leaves the plot hole of what happened to all of the synthetics... unless all of them joined the reapers and use their componants to make those eldrich creatures the reapers are so fond of making. 

[Nadya2]

add snow white, and the fairy god mother in, along with Cinderella. only then would make sense to me.

[Han Shot First]

JBONE27 wrote...

Switch the order.  Instead of "Synthetics will always turn on their creators,"  have "Organics will always turn on their creations."  Done, now he's saving synthetics... but that leaves the plot hole of what happened to all of the synthetics... unless all of them joined the reapers and use their componants to make those eldrich creatures the reapers are so fond of making. 

That would have worked, as it was backed up by Shepard's own experiences through five years and three games. Of course we'd still be stuck with the Star Child, so win-lose.

[SeventyOne]

There were some reports saying that Gasper was listening to an AC/DC classic, just before confronting Shepard:
"Who made who, who made you"...

[Wootball_]

Which part of the 'NO ME3 SPOILERS ALLOWED' bit of the forum name didn't you understand??

[devSin]

Nadya2 wrote...

add snow white, and the fairy god mother in, along with Cinderella. only then would make sense to me.

If it was the Disney version of Cinderella, and the fairy godmother came floating down, singing that song, with sparkles trailing from her wand as she swung it about...

Bippety-boppety-boo. BEST. ENDING. EVER.

[Kakita Tatsumaru]

Wootball_ wrote...
Which part of the 'NO ME3 SPOILERS ALLOWED' bit of the forum name didn't you understand??

Probably the "registered game" part which doesn't works for many.

[blacqout]

It makes perfect sense as-is. T

hat so many people think otherwise shows that the worst mistake BioWare made with the ending was over-estimating their audience.

[RyuujinZERO]

Enough alcohol makes anything make sense... this is probably how the script got past the door in the first place

[Kakita Tatsumaru]

blacqout wrote...

It makes perfect sense as-is. T

hat so many people think otherwise shows that the worst mistake BioWare made with the ending was over-estimating their audience.

Then, as you understand everything, you will be able to answers my questions in a cannon manner:
-Why can't the reaper just attack the synthetics when they tries to destroy organics, knowing they could side with the organics to do so and prooved to be powerful enough to fight both organics and synthethics united?
-What happens to the dark energy problem which would extinct all life in the universe before the next cycle comes anyway?
-How can the crucible turns synthethics and organics with just a light explosion. Because even in Sci-fi there's a minimum science involved to be on a credible level.
-Why should the relay explosion not destroys entire star systems?
-Why are my squadmates I take on earth on the Normandy?
-How can EDI survive the red ending?

Well, that should be enough from the get-go.
Besides, one could rant about the lacks of control on Shepard during the ending, but it's just the same during the whole game, the only difference being how important the choice is.

[whiteraider]

blacqout wrote...

It makes perfect sense as-is.
That so many people think otherwise shows that the worst mistake BioWare made with the ending was over-estimating their audience.

No! Over-estimation is not the issue!

The issue is a lazy 'Deus Ex Machina'! The whole purpose of which is to shoehorn an ending to the game while ignoring existing 'lore', which by under-estimating the 'fans' and players, forced too many to lose that "suspension of disbelief" that is neccessary to telling a good tale!

[Bogsnot]

Nadya2 wrote...

add snow white, and the fairy god mother in, along with Cinderella. only then would make sense to me.

And peyote. You forgot the peyote.

[Il Divo]

blacqout wrote...

It makes perfect sense as-is. T

hat so many people think otherwise shows that the worst mistake BioWare made with the ending was over-estimating their audience.

Play through the ending before commenting, please.

[blacqout]

Kakita Tatsumaru wrote...

blacqout wrote...

It makes perfect sense as-is. T

hat so many people think otherwise shows that the worst mistake BioWare made with the ending was over-estimating their audience.

Then, as you understand everything, you will be able to answers my questions in a cannon manner:
-Why can't the reaper just attack the synthetics when they tries to destroy organics, knowing they could side with the organics to do so and prooved to be powerful enough to fight both organics and synthethics united?
-What happens to the dark energy problem which would extinct all life in the universe before the next cycle comes anyway?
-How can the crucible turns synthethics and organics with just a light explosion. Because even in Sci-fi there's a minimum science involved to be on a credible level.
-Why should the relay explosion not destroys entire star systems?
-Why are my squadmates I take on earth on the Normandy?
-How can EDI survive the red ending?

Well, that should be enough from the get-go.
Besides, one could rant about the lacks of control on Shepard during the ending, but it's just the same during the whole game, the only difference being how important the choice is.

It wouldn't make much sense for the Reapers to just attack the synthetic upstarts, because the organic races that created them would make the same mistakes again if left unchecked. The Reapers aren't so much protecting the organic races from themselves - more like young organic races from the more advanced ones that will meddle in dangerous things like artificial life.

I only said that the Catalyst's logic made sense. Your questions don't really pertain to that.

[blacqout]

Il Divo wrote...

blacqout wrote...

It makes perfect sense as-is. T

hat so many people think otherwise shows that the worst mistake BioWare made with the ending was over-estimating their audience.

Play through the ending before commenting, please.

I have done so. Perhaps you should play through the game while paying attention before commenting?

[Peregrin25]

To me, the only way the starchild's logic makes sense is if they rewrote the entire ME trilogy to fit that ending!

[Il Divo]

blacqout wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

blacqout wrote...

It makes perfect sense as-is. T

hat so many people think otherwise shows that the worst mistake BioWare made with the ending was over-estimating their audience.

Play through the ending before commenting, please.

I have done so.

Your claims indicate otherwise.

[blacqout]

Il Divo wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

blacqout wrote...

It makes perfect sense as-is. T

hat so many people think otherwise shows that the worst mistake BioWare made with the ending was over-estimating their audience.

Play through the ending before commenting, please.

I have done so.

Your claims indicate otherwise.

Well, this dynamic could go on forever. That you've failed to actually explain how the Catalyst's logic is broken tells me all i need to know. Namely that you're a little confused about the whole thing.

That's probably why you still have a signature implying that supporting "Retake" is helping children, which as we all know it isn't. You come across as a mite dishonest.

[ReshyShira]

It only makes sense if you're ignore everything else in mass effect lore.

So I guess you're right, it does make sense if you strip ignore the rest of the fluff.

[CyberF3y]

If the catalyst created the Reapers, and all synthetics rebel against their creators... then what is stopping the Reapers from rebelling against the catalyst?

If the catalyst is a synthetic (you know, an AI like he appears to be), did he kill the organics who created him?

And "Retake" raised $80,000 for Child's Play. How is that not helping the children?

[Dexi]

I'm with blacqout...

Catalyst's logic makes perfect sense.
People just cry and jump from one stance on the ending to another ( no happy with LI ending? FLAOWED LOGICKZ!; not the reason I thought the Reapers been reapin'? LULZ BIOWARE YOU STUPID?! FLAAOOWWED LOGICKKKZZ!! ).

[Dexi]

James_Raynor wrote...

It only makes sense if you're ignore everything else in mass effect lore.

So I guess you're right, it does make sense if you strip ignore the rest of the fluff.

Ignore, for example, what else? 

[CELL55]

The only way in which the endings make sense is if you've been banging your head against a wall for a good half hour.

[blacqout]

CyberF3y wrote...

If the catalyst created the Reapers, and all synthetics rebel against their creators... then what is stopping the Reapers from rebelling against the catalyst?

If the catalyst is a synthetic (you know, an AI like he appears to be), did he kill the organics who created him?

And "Retake" raised $80,000 for Child's Play. How is that not helping the children?

The Reapers are not synthetics. They're part organic.

In order for Shepard to assume control of the Reapers, he had to die. Not become an AI. The truth is we don't really know what the Catalyst is exactly, but i see no reason to consider that it didn't claim its position in a similar way to Shepard. 

And then Child's Play unceremoniously distanced itself from the movement. Holding the line is not helping the children, as his signature suggests. It's not really up for debate. 

Modifié par blacqout, 11 avril 2012 - 05:09 .