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[Saurel]

Obviously I don't mean in a literal sense. Since obviously Sten, Wynne, Leliana, and Zevran can be killed. And Shale can leave.... Oghren is invincible to my knowedge.

My question is are you able to get past the meta knowledge that you are losing out and RP your character killing a character or letting them die?

Even in subsequent playthroughs?

I have to say I lack the ability to do this, even on subsequent play-throughs. I'm curious if there are others like me...or if people have no problem leaving Sten behind, killing Zev, etc.

(and I realize people may be civilized enough to avoid this, but just in case - no homophobia talk when it comes to Zevran. I know some people use that as a way to deal with killing him off, but I don't want the thread tainted with that kind of negativity.)

Modifié par Saurel, 05 décembre 2009 - 04:52 .

[Original182]

No if it is possible to have all companions, I will try my best to have them all that doesn't compromise my morals. Initially in the first game I deliberately left Sten to die in Lothering because I thought he deserved it for murdering a family that took him in, and also because I was worried I would get negative backlash from the crowd (turns out the game doesn't work that way).



But in my current game, I recruited him and everyone for their story.

[soteria]

My first playthrough I told Zevran to take a hike. My second, I killed him. I also killed Shale. So, yes. I've also heard of people leaving Sten behind and killing Wynne.  In every case it was from making in-character decisions.

Modifié par soteria, 05 décembre 2009 - 05:16 .

[Mnemnosyne]

Yeah, I tend to stick with the party that I'm actually adventuring with + 1 or 2 others. The rest I tell to take a hike or kill them, depending on the situation, because if I'm not actually taking them with me, then they're not actually helping me.

I really wish there was an option to tell Wynne something along the lines of "I will save the mages, but I will not have you tagging along with me. Stand down or die." The only dialogue options that lead to getting past her without taking her along force you to act like you're going to purge the tower.

[asaiasai]

I have a tendancy to grab everyone i can, i also rotate everybody through the party. I might use sten for the forest quest line, allister for redcliffe, shale for the deep roads, for the tower that depends entirely on who is going to be the best fit for the party, depending on the class i am running. I have killed Zeveran a few times when i started a rogue because i did not need him for locks, but i always grab Leliana because i set her up to be a ranger with a pet so it gives me an extra body for the tougher encounters.



Asai

[Laser Jesus]

On my last playthrough I ended up having to kill Shale and Wynne, because my character was a pragmatist who wasn't about to give up the chance to have golems fight for her against the blight, and she decided that a Circle of Magi that lets such a monumental screw up like that should be taken down. She kept Zevran alive because a noble always has use for some assassins, and spared Loghain's life because even though he's a crazy son of a ****, he's still got a mind for warfare and would prove useful.



Not having Wynne or Shale around made the game a bit tougher, but screw it. I'm here to win wars, not make friends.

[Chragen]

I've yet to actually kill a potential companion because there's not a lot of them. Besides I'm a somewhat OCD when it comes to side quests so I try to do them all if possible.



But as far as I know the only two companions that you are stuck with are Morrigan and Alistair. At least till very close to the end of the game.

[Maria Caliban]

I love my companions. They are my buddies. Why would I kill my buddies?

[Tonya777]

I've left Sten in Lothering to die from a horrific darkspawn murder on more saves than I have spared him



I've killed Zevran on a few saves , once just because and then once because he turned on me I saved it when I entered the area in which he turns on you and then there was nothing I could do but kill him

[soteria]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I love my companions. They are my buddies. Why would I kill my buddies?

Because as a dwarf noble I was more concerned about saving Orzammar than Shale's or Caridin's feelings about the Anvil.  Even knowing the cost, dwarves would volunteer to take part in that.  Ever since we lost the Anvil, the dwarves have been fighting a losing battle... the survival of my race is more important.

[Mnemnosyne]

Chragen wrote...

I've yet to actually kill a potential companion because there's not a lot of them. Besides I'm a somewhat OCD when it comes to side quests so I try to do them all if possible.

But as far as I know the only two companions that you are stuck with are Morrigan and Alistair. At least till very close to the end of the game.

You can get rid of Morrigan too, but she comes back on her own at the end of the game, or at least she did in the runthrough when I told her to leave.

[Maria Caliban]

soteria wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

I love my companions. They are my buddies. Why would I kill my buddies?

Because as a dwarf noble I was more concerned about saving Orzammar than Shale's or Caridin's feelings about the Anvil.  Even knowing the cost, dwarves would volunteer to take part in that.  Ever since we lost the Anvil, the dwarves have been fighting a losing battle... the survival of my race is more important.

I just didn't bring Shale.

[Original182]

Tonya777 wrote...

I've left Sten in Lothering to die from a horrific darkspawn murder on more saves than I have spared him

I've killed Zevran on a few saves , once just because and then once because he turned on me I saved it when I entered the area in which he turns on you and then there was nothing I could do but kill him

If his approval of you is high, Zevran won't betray you.

[marshalleck]

This is actually the first Bioware game I've played where I didn't have an uncontrollable dislike for at least one character. I find killing any of the DA companions to be...unrewarding.



If we go back to Mass Effect though, Kaiden. Man that poor guy has been blown up so many times.

[DeathWyrmNexus]

soteria wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

I love my companions. They are my buddies. Why would I kill my buddies?

Because as a dwarf noble I was more concerned about saving Orzammar than Shale's or Caridin's feelings about the Anvil.  Even knowing the cost, dwarves would volunteer to take part in that.  Ever since we lost the Anvil, the dwarves have been fighting a losing battle... the survival of my race is more important.

Which is hilarious considering how that turned out... Bhalen makes a huge push by not being a cultural moron and granting freedom to the casteless, thus a lot of gains are made. All the anvil does is... Give Branka a boner and not much else.

Good job, fearless leader. Glad you had the foresight to know that leaving the anvil in the hands of a psychotic would work out swell.

[raveth]

I wonder, is it possible to not have enough companions to do the bridge puzzle in the Gauntlet? I wondered that from the moment I encountered the puzzle, which requires three people to stand on the buttons and one person to walk across. I'm not just talking about leaving people back at camp.

Let's say you never picked up Sten or Leliana, whether you forgot to before Lothering is destroyed or didn't want them. You also don't have Dog because you weren't a Human Noble and never did the quests at Ostagar.

You told Morrigan to leave.

You sided with the templars and killed Wynne.

You don't have The Stone Prisoner or you sided with Branka at the Anvil of the Void, losing Shale.

I think you can tell Ohgren to get lost, too.

So, truly, the only one you can't tell to get lost is Alistair (barring the Landsmeet since obviously Arl Eamon would have to be revived at that point). That makes one companion (Alistair) and yourself.

Is the game unwinnable at that point or does the bridge puzzle simply change?

Modifié par raveth, 05 décembre 2009 - 09:13 .

[Original182]

raveth wrote...
Is the game unwinnable at that point or does the bridge puzzle simply change?

Biff the Understudy then makes an appearance, along with his friends.
I may try it in my next game.

[Emryc]

Yes. At this point I've killed Zevran and Wynne. Shale is possibly next if I decide to side with Branka...

[Rainen89]

You can have all of the companions but you can also very easily end up with Alistair/Dog/Loghain (If alistair went emo on you.) Other everyone can leave except dog and Loghain but you lose Alistair to get him so...draw your own conclusions. Everyone but Morrigan and Alistair have a "please leave" or will leave during certain events if you ****** them off, or will leave if their approval is just way too low. Morrigan will only leave if you say no to the ritual. Alistair will only leave if you accept Loghain as a warden.

*Gasp* Why would you kill Shale!? She is amazing ! I demand romance!

Modifié par Rainen89, 05 décembre 2009 - 09:17 .

[ChickenDownUnder]

I've killed Wynne, Lelianna, Sten, Zevran, and Shale in the past... all in one play through. I'm pretty sure you can only tell Morrigan and Ohgren to leave, and you can indirectly kill Dog. Alistair seems to be the only one immune to being told to go away or killed before the Landsmeet. Which is a true pity if you happen to be playing a psychotic bastard of the PC. Or just want to see if you can break the game.

[Never]

It took me two play throughs, but I now love the whole party. I could never leave them! <3

[Maria Caliban]

raveth wrote...

I wonder, is it possible to not have enough companions to do the bridge puzzle in the Gauntlet?

In that case,  you don't have to do the puzzle.

[raveth]

Maria Caliban wrote...

raveth wrote...

I wonder, is it possible to not have enough companions to do the bridge puzzle in the Gauntlet?

In that case,  you don't have to do the puzzle.

Hmm it's worth a shot, but it would be tough to make it through with just two characters. I suppose if you skipped a lot of sidequests and only fought/killed when necessary.

EDIT: Ahh I see. That's sort of cheap.  Thanks Maria.

Modifié par raveth, 05 décembre 2009 - 09:28 .

[RandomFellow]

.... I told Wynne to stay on my first play through and still haven't had her in my permanent party.



If I wanted my mother nagging me through the entire game, I'd call her on the phone!

[Recidiva]

So far I can't bring myself to just kill Dog in the cage at the beginning of the game or pass up having Dog with me. I also don't bring Dog to the temple because I hate having to kill Dog in battle and it might even make me cry. Everyone else has managed to irritate my chosen character personality at the time to the point that killing them seems just fine. I know I've killed Lel, Shale, Wynne as plot points when I picked up all the alternative allies and even knowing that Lel didn't like poisoned ashes and Shale doesn't like fighting Caradin, brought them with me, knowing they'd try to kill me and being okay with that. "Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!"

But I'm working on it. If I obsess enough I can convince myself I really need to play on Nightmare where I kill off every companion or fail to pick them up and then it's just me and Loghain at the end and then I till him to kill himself.

Seems like a "completionist" option and should be an achievement.

But overall I prefer to have my heart strings stroked rather than my last nerve. I enjoy ending the game with everyone on board and happy with me. It's more of a challenge and encompasses more content.

So I can...I can kill them any time I want to.

The main factor that really limits my willingness to be flat out evil is the knowledge that I need to know ahead of time that wiping out the elves means I wipe out my source of infinite elfroot.

That's hard to dismiss, because unless I put umpty million elfroot in the chest, I know that's a meta gaming choice, and one I can't really work around.

I can do without a character or two, I really can't whistle in the dark and just pretend I'm going to kill the Dalish last and I'm buying up elfroot like there's no tomorrow for some reason...well...just 'cause.

Modifié par Recidiva, 05 décembre 2009 - 09:34 .