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[Rhazeal]

It didnt jive with me immediately, however I had to stew on the reasons over night before putting my finger on some of the exact issues.

The next day I was writing up a point by point outline for an extensive essay detailing the issues I have with the disconnect between the ending and the rest of the game.

This was strange because it is something I have never done before; I have discussed games in which I was dissapointed with friends, but haven't felt the need to make detailed lists chronicling the fail.

Anyway, half way through this process I had a discussion with a friend who intitially liked the ending. I went looking for forums to see if maybe I was just crazy and most people just liked it.

I had forgotten about BSN which I had registered with while researching some DA:O technical issues.

Modifié par Rhazeal, 11 avril 2012 - 12:50 .

[Trebor1969]

After being hit by harbinger beam, then woke up, grabbed a gun with apparent infinite ammo, I started having some doubts, then it went between Scylla and Charybdis (having to choose between two evils or in our case 'de mal en pis', from bad to worse.) ...

[Brockxz]

at the end of the starchild speech I was really confused. First of all, Why would my Shepard say "So The Illusive Man was right"? Why I don't have any option to ask anything? And why would I have to believe to anything starchild says? He just appeared and my Shepard just agrees with all he says and has to make decision between three really terrible choices. That was the first thing that put me off and I knew I will not like any of those three choices because it doesn't take into account anything I did before. Even I was mostly paragon, somehow the only reasonable option for me was the one that appeared as renegade. And why would TIMs choice would be paragon? So yeah, that the end of the starchild speech was the point when I started not to like ending.

Modifié par Brockxz, 11 avril 2012 - 12:49 .

[Johanna]

 Once I started limping around.  It was hard to aim, and Marauder Shields took me out.  I should've stayed down...

[b2smooth]

Naugi wrote...

b2smooth wrote...

Naugi wrote...

As soon as I was walking into an exploding tube firing and the flashbacks to significant people didn't include Tali (my LI), just what felt like 3 random people picked out of a hat. It went downhill fast from there ...

They weren't random, those were 3 people that no matter what you did would still be there in Mass Effect 3.

That doesnt make sense. Plenty of other people were there no matter what you did. Anderson was dead for a start, why Flashback to him, I'd been with him 2 minutes earlier, and Tali was always with me, and my LI in 2 games, and we were going to build a house on Rannoch together ... Garrus, when does he leave you? Why wasnt he one of the 3? What about Ashley?

Face it, they were 3 random people.

Ash could have died in ME1, Garrus in ME2, Tali in ME2, and so on.  My flashback was Anderson (in all 3 regardless of your actions), Joker (in all 3 regardless of your actions), and Liara (in all 3 regardless of your actions).  They were put together as a generic ending cutscene for everybody due to the fact that you couldn't lose them in one of the earlier games.

[TheBigM145]

My moment was right when I pulled the trigger and blew away the Illusive Man and he...stayed dead. At that point I was thinking that it could be something like indoc theorists say it was (no, I don't subscribe) or some sort of "this is what will happen if you fail" kind of thing. I was hoping at that point Shep would wake up and him and his Boyz (I went with a Garrus/Javik final team) would actually storm the Citadel and fight some epic final boss. Ya know, a giant mutant Illusive Man/Reaper mech construct thing or something. But then,,,there was nothing except Star Child and
this synthesis thing coming totally out of nowhere.

[White Zombie]

As soon as I was running down the hill and ascended the magically beam of light after somehow getting hit by a reaper red laser o death and not dying.

[b2smooth]

[/quote]
Naugi you said,
"That doesnt make sense. Plenty of other people were there no matter what you did. Anderson was dead for a start, why Flashback to him, I'd been with him 2 minutes earlier, and Tali was always with me, and my LI in 2 games, and we were going to build a house on Rannoch together ... Garrus, when does he leave you? Why wasnt he one of the 3? What about Ashley?

Face it, they were 3 random people."

[/quote]

Wrex, Ash, and Kaiden could all die in ME1.  Any or all of your team could die in ME2.  Those 3 couldn't die at any point in the series other than Anderson 2 minutes before that.

Modifié par b2smooth, 11 avril 2012 - 12:53 .

[Brian.V3]

b2smooth wrote...

Naugi wrote...

b2smooth wrote...

Naugi wrote...

As soon as I was walking into an exploding tube firing and the flashbacks to significant people didn't include Tali (my LI), just what felt like 3 random people picked out of a hat. It went downhill fast from there ...

They weren't random, those were 3 people that no matter what you did would still be there in Mass Effect 3.

That doesnt make sense. Plenty of other people were there no matter what you did. Anderson was dead for a start, why Flashback to him, I'd been with him 2 minutes earlier, and Tali was always with me, and my LI in 2 games, and we were going to build a house on Rannoch together ... Garrus, when does he leave you? Why wasnt he one of the 3? What about Ashley?

Face it, they were 3 random people.

Ash could have died in ME1, Garrus in ME2, Tali in ME2, and so on.  My flashback was Anderson (in all 3 regardless of your actions), Joker (in all 3 regardless of your actions), and Liara (in all 3 regardless of your actions).  They were put together as a generic ending cutscene for everybody due to the fact that you couldn't lose them in one of the earlier games.

pst... Ashley could be seen and kaiden as well. The third person shown is either Liara, Kaiden or Ashley preferrebly whoever was your LI. If it was anyone else the third person was always Liara. 

[The Milky Waver]

It all started with star child, but the last straw was when I saw the relays explode. 

[b2smooth]

Brian.V3 wrote...

b2smooth wrote...

Naugi wrote...

b2smooth wrote...

Naugi wrote...

As soon as I was walking into an exploding tube firing and the flashbacks to significant people didn't include Tali (my LI), just what felt like 3 random people picked out of a hat. It went downhill fast from there ...

They weren't random, those were 3 people that no matter what you did would still be there in Mass Effect 3.

That doesnt make sense. Plenty of other people were there no matter what you did. Anderson was dead for a start, why Flashback to him, I'd been with him 2 minutes earlier, and Tali was always with me, and my LI in 2 games, and we were going to build a house on Rannoch together ... Garrus, when does he leave you? Why wasnt he one of the 3? What about Ashley?

Face it, they were 3 random people.

Ash could have died in ME1, Garrus in ME2, Tali in ME2, and so on.  My flashback was Anderson (in all 3 regardless of your actions), Joker (in all 3 regardless of your actions), and Liara (in all 3 regardless of your actions).  They were put together as a generic ending cutscene for everybody due to the fact that you couldn't lose them in one of the earlier games.

pst... Ashley could be seen and kaiden as well. The third person shown is either Liara, Kaiden or Ashley preferrebly whoever was your LI. If it was anyone else the third person was always Liara. 

Okay other than Kaiden or Ashley my point is correct.  Anderson and Joker were there because they were in all 3 games no matter what.  

As a side note those 3 (Kaiden, Ashley, & Liara) were the only possible romances from ME1 to ME3. 

Modifié par b2smooth, 11 avril 2012 - 12:58 .

[Kia Purity]

I was in middle of the game and people who beat the game before me were already railing against the endings, calling them "same" and I was like "Well crap, I quit."

Cried for two days, couldn't even play ME3.

Later, forced myself to play the game and picked the Destroy ending out of utter spite.

[Sylvanspirits]

First playthrough, about 15 seconds into the Starkid's dialogue after ascending the magical elevator of hope and wonder railroading and blind acceptance. I was quite literally saying "You can't possibly be serious."

[aj2070]

 It really didn't hit until I got the "be sure to drink your Ovaltine", sorry, buy DLC message after grandpa.  I kept waiting for the "real" ending.  I pretty much thought the same thing everyone else here has posted at some point; this can't be how they are ending this series.

Granted, I was not too happy that BioWare resorted to the plot cliche of killing a character after giving them something to live for.  I am referring to Anderson in this case.  BioWare introduces Kahlee Sanders into the Mass Effect game and then after hinting at their relationship, they kill Anderson.  That's been done to death.

Modifié par aj2070, 11 avril 2012 - 01:11 .

[garf]

well the first crack was finding out all those efforts to raise the CDF were dismissed with a verbal report that the Illusive man took the citidel to earth and then later seeing the corpse filled corridor.

the worst moment is when Jennifer Hale, expertly makes Shepherd seem utterly defeated. when she asks her few and weak questions of the starkid. the disconnect started there. but I was still plunging on.

The real Dislike started with the return to pre-cerberus mission and a numb sense of... 'is that it?'

the anger mostly was fanned by the IGNorant responses to my grief.

[DnVill]

The moment I saw the Starchild.

[garf]

Kia Purity wrote...

I was in middle of the game and people who beat the game before me were already railing against the endings, calling them "same" and I was like "Well crap, I quit."

Cried for two days, couldn't even play ME3.

Later, forced myself to play the game and picked the Destroy ending out of utter spite.

Haven't been able to complete a second playthrough. best I could do was load up the restart the mission save and save all three colours of the ending (singular),

[antique_nova]

As soon as shepard tried to limp to the beam up into the citadel.

[Victia]

After creepy grandad and kid, because that was my last hope of waking up an actually having the ending I thought! Even after talking to starkid i was coninved that y shep was unconcious from harbingers beam and would wake up eventally - after the oldman my last hope died!

[HighScore 2600]

Honestly it was after making my decision. Just to see that my War assests really didn't make a difference in what choice I made, and all the random cutscenes that followed. Like the Normandy running from the fight, no scenes from the fleet in orbit, and how it randomly teleported my strike team to the Normandy. Besides the fact that anyone of the 3 "best" endings did not feel like a victory.

[Naugi]

b2smooth wrote...

Brian.V3 wrote...

b2smooth wrote...

Naugi wrote...

b2smooth wrote...

Naugi wrote...

As soon as I was walking into an exploding tube firing and the flashbacks to significant people didn't include Tali (my LI), just what felt like 3 random people picked out of a hat. It went downhill fast from there ...

They weren't random, those were 3 people that no matter what you did would still be there in Mass Effect 3.

That doesnt make sense. Plenty of other people were there no matter what you did. Anderson was dead for a start, why Flashback to him, I'd been with him 2 minutes earlier, and Tali was always with me, and my LI in 2 games, and we were going to build a house on Rannoch together ... Garrus, when does he leave you? Why wasnt he one of the 3? What about Ashley?

Face it, they were 3 random people.

Ash could have died in ME1, Garrus in ME2, Tali in ME2, and so on.  My flashback was Anderson (in all 3 regardless of your actions), Joker (in all 3 regardless of your actions), and Liara (in all 3 regardless of your actions).  They were put together as a generic ending cutscene for everybody due to the fact that you couldn't lose them in one of the earlier games.

pst... Ashley could be seen and kaiden as well. The third person shown is either Liara, Kaiden or Ashley preferrebly whoever was your LI. If it was anyone else the third person was always Liara. 

Okay other than Kaiden or Ashley my point is correct.  Anderson and Joker were there because they were in all 3 games no matter what.  

As a side note those 3 (Kaiden, Ashley, & Liara) were the only possible romances from ME1 to ME3. 

Ok, but, my point is, that having romanced Tali for ME2 and ME3, and having a far greater fondness for other characters like Garrus, Wrex and Mordin, why do I see just these 3 people? Whats the logic behind showing 3? Not 6 or 12? The 3 shown just left me thinking 'wtf, these are not the only 3 people that matter to me, theyre not even the 3 that matter the most to me'. The game decided that for me, not even based on my previous game choices (well theres a surprise!).

Why do we have to see people that lived? Wouldnt it have been more emotional to have seen Mordin, or Thane for example?

Just stinks of Bioware cutting corners and having no idea how the fans felt about their companions, again.

[ImmovableMover]

A few hours after the fact.

At the time, though I didn't have any "Wow that was a good ending" moment that I did in ME1 and ME2, my mind was preoccupied with being happy that both Garrus and Liara stepped out of The Normandy (my favourite character + my love interest, both of whom were with me during the final push and I'd feared they had died).

Rest assured that I went from "Content with the ending, though not wowed at all" to "Thoroughly angry with this ****ty ending" within 24 hours of actually looking at the ending with a critical eye.

[Orumon]

After hearing the God-machines monologue and not being able to tell it it's full of £^$"!

[b2smooth]

Naugi wrote...

b2smooth wrote...

Brian.V3 wrote...

b2smooth wrote...

Naugi wrote...

b2smooth wrote...

Naugi wrote...

As soon as I was walking into an exploding tube firing and the flashbacks to significant people didn't include Tali (my LI), just what felt like 3 random people picked out of a hat. It went downhill fast from there ...

They weren't random, those were 3 people that no matter what you did would still be there in Mass Effect 3.

That doesnt make sense. Plenty of other people were there no matter what you did. Anderson was dead for a start, why Flashback to him, I'd been with him 2 minutes earlier, and Tali was always with me, and my LI in 2 games, and we were going to build a house on Rannoch together ... Garrus, when does he leave you? Why wasnt he one of the 3? What about Ashley?

Face it, they were 3 random people.

Ash could have died in ME1, Garrus in ME2, Tali in ME2, and so on.  My flashback was Anderson (in all 3 regardless of your actions), Joker (in all 3 regardless of your actions), and Liara (in all 3 regardless of your actions).  They were put together as a generic ending cutscene for everybody due to the fact that you couldn't lose them in one of the earlier games.

pst... Ashley could be seen and kaiden as well. The third person shown is either Liara, Kaiden or Ashley preferrebly whoever was your LI. If it was anyone else the third person was always Liara. 

Okay other than Kaiden or Ashley my point is correct.  Anderson and Joker were there because they were in all 3 games no matter what.  

As a side note those 3 (Kaiden, Ashley, & Liara) were the only possible romances from ME1 to ME3. 

Ok, but, my point is, that having romanced Tali for ME2 and ME3, and having a far greater fondness for other characters like Garrus, Wrex and Mordin, why do I see just these 3 people? Whats the logic behind showing 3? Not 6 or 12? The 3 shown just left me thinking 'wtf, these are not the only 3 people that matter to me, theyre not even the 3 that matter the most to me'. The game decided that for me, not even based on my previous game choices (well theres a surprise!).

Why do we have to see people that lived? Wouldnt it have been more emotional to have seen Mordin, or Thane for example?

Just stinks of Bioware cutting corners and having no idea how the fans felt about their companions, again.

I agree completely with your point.  I am just pointing out that they weren't random, they were part of the generic packaged ending that was the same for everybody.  Even though Bioware claimed it would be wrong to make everybody experience the same ending given all of the time we all put in and unique choices we made.

Modifié par b2smooth, 11 avril 2012 - 01:17 .

[nitefyre410]

Right after the Harbinger Beam hit me - Just knew the BS was incoming.