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[thunderhawk862002]

The BBB is a pay for play organization. If you pay the for accreditation, you get good reveiws. If you do not, you are rated as an "F" with the statement:

If your statement were true then EA would have an F and it doesn't. Therefore your statement is false. You do not have to be accredited to get good reviews. Apparently that is a hard concept to understand.

[Jademoon121]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...



Fair enough, but the outroar that remains is still prevelent, and BBB condemnation or not, it's still odd that a non-gaming/gamer entity is speaking on this.

You can argue about this all you want; but the fact remains that many are disatisfied with the final product and it'll be awhile until it blows over.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Be dissatisfied all you want. I. Don't. Give. A. Crap. Neither does anyone on my "side". Be dissatisfied to your little heart's content. Who cares.

When dissatisfaction floods over into slamming the BBB and FTC with complaints, review bombing, threatening lawsuits, trying to force your opinions on everyone else, putting up slanderous billboards, trying to get members of the community banned for disagreeing with you, etc etc etc... that's where myself, and those on my "side", take issue.

You don't like the ending? Bully for you. You think it doesn't make sense, well I've tried explaining how it makes sense to me and been labelled a troll for it. So... maybe someone else can explain how it makes sense to them... and then get labelled a troll...

You assume that I am somehow associated with all the groups, fundraisers, and charities devoted to some sort of revision of ME3's endings. I'm not.

Now, I personally do not think that the ending makes any sense per what's been advertised and what's been building up in the entire franchise, especially in the realm of philosophy and ideology. I truly believe Bioware has done a disservice to themselves and their fans for ending their beloved trilogy on a note many do not like. I agree that it has gone overboard in some situations, but the customer has the right to complain and critique.

[Alchemist4]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

BBB accreditation standards,

I don't like going off subject, but how did you make the link show up in text formate. How did you edit it? I've been trying to figuire it out since joining the forum.

Modifié par Alchemist4, 11 avril 2012 - 11:27 .

[Gatt9]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

Official or not, the fact that a major player in a company based on honest business taking interest in all this is rather surprising; but I'm not shocked if that makes any sense.

The BBB is a pay for play organization. If you pay the for accreditation, you get good reveiws. If you do not, you are rated as an "F" with the statement: 
"Businesses are under no obligation to seek BBB accreditation, and
some businesses are not accredited because they have not sought BBB
accreditation.To be accredited by BBB, a business must apply for accreditation and BBB must determine that the business meets BBB accreditation standards,
which include a commitment to make a good faith effort to resolve any
consumer complaints. BBB Accredited Businesses must pay a fee for
accreditation review/monitoring and for support of BBB services to the
public."

Yet, there remains a big shiny F.

If BioWare had paid for accreditation, and the BBB said that BioWare had NOT lied, would you people be bringing this up? I think not.

So let's look at the parent company's (EA) BBB rating.  Oh... it's an A and it's not even accredited.  I guess an A is the same as an F now.   
www.bbb.org/greater-san-francisco/business-reviews/video-games-wholesale-and-manufacturers/electronic-arts-in-san-francisco-ca-64196

How about looking at BioWare's rating. Since.. we're talking about BioWare.

How about realizing Bioware doesn't exist?  It's a brand name EA uses for some of their studios.

Your assertion was wrong,  accreditation doesn't matter. 

[AJRimmsey]

Alchemist4 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

BBB accreditation standards,

I don't like going off subject, but how did you make the link show up in text formate. How did you edit it? I've been trying to figuire it out since joining the forum.

click insert/edit link

[Father_Jerusalem]

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

The BBB is a pay for play organization. If you pay the for accreditation, you get good reveiws. If you do not, you are rated as an "F" with the statement:

If your statement were true then EA would have an F and it doesn't. Therefore your statement is false. You do not have to be accredited to get good reviews. Apparently that is a hard concept to understand.

"One complaint filed against business that was not resolved."

"BBB does not have sufficient information to determine size of business.
BBB evaluation of business is based on rating formula's smallest size
classification."

"BB does not have sufficient background information on this business."

Clearly, that F is earned on merit, and not because they don't pay the fee for accreditation.

CLEARLY.

Let me guess: "But, FLAMINGOS!" again, right?

[Alchemist4]

AJRimmsey wrote...

Alchemist4 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

BBB accreditation standards,

I don't like going off subject, but how did you make the link show up in text formate. How did you edit it? I've been trying to figuire it out since joining the forum.

click insert/edit link

thanks:D

[AJRimmsey]

Alchemist4 wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

Alchemist4 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

BBB accreditation standards,

I don't like going off subject, but how did you make the link show up in text formate. How did you edit it? I've been trying to figuire it out since joining the forum.

click insert/edit link

thanks:D

your welcome.

but be careful..i had a search link for kelly brook in paste and forgot.

and the link i wanted suddenly became a long long google search for hot sexy babe pics of her instead of cookery tips for pancakes

[thunderhawk862002]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

The BBB is a pay for play organization. If you pay the for accreditation, you get good reveiws. If you do not, you are rated as an "F" with the statement:

If your statement were true then EA would have an F and it doesn't. Therefore your statement is false. You do not have to be accredited to get good reviews. Apparently that is a hard concept to understand.

"One complaint filed against business that was not resolved."

"BBB does not have sufficient information to determine size of business.
BBB evaluation of business is based on rating formula's smallest size
classification."

"BB does not have sufficient background information on this business."

Clearly, that F is earned on merit, and not because they don't pay the fee for accreditation.

CLEARLY.

Let me guess: "But, FLAMINGOS!" again, right?

Clearly it's still not based on paying for accreditation as per your statement.  Your current argument is invalid. I'm not saying BioWare deserves the F.  I'm saying your statement is false.  Clearly you don't have to pay to play in order to get a high grade.  Otherwise EA would also have an F.

[Father_Jerusalem]

Gatt9 wrote...



How about realizing Bioware doesn't exist?  It's a brand name EA uses for some of their studios.

Your assertion was wrong,  accreditation doesn't matter. 

I'm sorry. Did I give you the impression that your opinion is, in any way, valid? Given your intense, unreasoning hatred of BioWare, anything to do with BioWare, and anyone who even likes BioWare, I just wanted to say that I didn't mean to do that.

Please, accept my apology, and know that I will try to do better in the future to make sure you know that your whines and rants mean jack all to anyone with a brain.

[Father_Jerusalem]

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

The BBB is a pay for play organization. If you pay the for accreditation, you get good reveiws. If you do not, you are rated as an "F" with the statement:

If your statement were true then EA would have an F and it doesn't. Therefore your statement is false. You do not have to be accredited to get good reviews. Apparently that is a hard concept to understand.

"One complaint filed against business that was not resolved."

"BBB does not have sufficient information to determine size of business.
BBB evaluation of business is based on rating formula's smallest size
classification."

"BB does not have sufficient background information on this business."

Clearly, that F is earned on merit, and not because they don't pay the fee for accreditation.

CLEARLY.

Let me guess: "But, FLAMINGOS!" again, right?

Clearly it's still not based on paying for accreditation as per your statement.  Your current argument is invalid. I'm not saying BioWare deserves the F.  I'm saying your statement is false.  Clearly you don't have to pay to play in order to get a high grade.  Otherwise EA would also have an F.

So, one bad review = F to you. Not... that they don't pay the fee. One bad review. Seriously, no wonder you don't like the ending.

[thunderhawk862002]

Seriously can you even read? I specifically said that I don't think BioWare deserves the F. I said your statement that BBB automatically gives you an F because you don't pay is false. I can't believe you're trying to argue that. No wonder you think going to the BBB and FTC is going to far. Clearly you have no problems with lying. How does EA have an A rating without being accredited? Could it be other factors besides paying the accreditation money? Which means your statement is false.

[XTR3M3]

sadly, it seems to be the same couple of people in here trying to derail the thread. If BioWare only has 58 complaints over the last 3 years, how can some of you be up in arms about people complaining to the BBB? 58? that is infinitesimally small...and how many of those are ME3 complainers? Yea, we need you guys to defend BioWare from those dangerous 58 people that probably complained about something other than ME3.....geez, really?

I used to have respect for a couple of them as debaters. now I believe they are one of 2 things....paid PR trollers, or the best imitation of paid PR trollers I have ever seen.

Modifié par XTR3M3, 11 avril 2012 - 11:46 .

[Father_Jerusalem]

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Seriously can you even read? I specifically said that I don't think BioWare deserves the F. I said your statement that BBB automatically gives you an F because you don't pay is false. I can't believe you're trying to argue that. No wonder you think going to the BBB and FTC is going to far. Clearly you have no problems with lying. How does EA have an A rating without being accredited? Could it be other factors besides paying the accreditation money? Which means your statement is false.

And *I* said that BioWare has an F because they don't pay for accreditation. Not that ALL companies who don't pay have Fs.

Please, try to keep up. I know it's hard, I do. But promise to try.

[Father_Jerusalem]

XTR3M3 wrote...

sadly, it seems to be the same couple of people in here trying to derail the thread. If BioWare only has 58 complaints over the last 3 years, how can some of you be up in arms about people complaining to the BBB? 58? that is infinitesimally small...and how many of those are ME3 complainers? Yea, we need you guys to defend BioWare from those dangerous 58 people that probably complained about something other than ME3.....geez, really?

I used to have respect for a couple of them as debaters. now I believe they are one of 2 things....paid PR trollers, or the best imitation of paid PR trollers I have ever seen.

Maybe because they haven't been registered yet? Maybe because people are cowards and scream on the forums about how they'll protest with the BBB, the media picks it up and causes a ****storm, then they don't actually follow through because, as I said, they're cowards. Maybe the BBB sees through these complaints and doesn't count them as "official" complaints. There are a multitude of reasons why.

I used to care an infintesimal amount about your opinion. Then you called me a paid PA troll. Now I don't care one bit.

[MrTijger]

XTR3M3 wrote...

sadly, it seems to be the same couple of people in here trying to derail the thread. If BioWare only has 58 complaints over the last 3 years, how can some of you be up in arms about people complaining to the BBB? 58? that is infinitesimally small...and how many of those are ME3 complainers? Yea, we need you guys to defend BioWare from those dangerous 58 people that probably complained about something other than ME3.....geez, really?

I used to have respect for a couple of them as debaters. now I believe they are one of 2 things....paid PR trollers, or the best imitation of paid PR trollers I have ever seen.

So who do you work for? Blizzard? Valve? Bethesda?

[XTR3M3]

@Father_Jerusalem

I see a lot of "maybes" in your stuff with no proof, but that is your MO, make statements, be snide and condescending and provide no proof what-so-ever while trying to dismiss other people's proof. You do that from thread to thread.

Yes, I do believe you are a paid PR troll given what I have seen of your posts and how you try and derail threads. If you aren't, the real PR trolls are laughing all the way to the bank having you do their work for nothing.....a shame for you and a missed opportunity for profit. You are either the butt of their joke or are in on it...either way it makes it stink.

good luck to you in your trolling...
end of line.

You don't contribute to the thread, you try and derail it and deflect attention from the topic. keep crusading against those dangerous 58 people. All the jobs at BioWare depend on you!

Modifié par XTR3M3, 12 avril 2012 - 12:03 .

[thunderhawk862002]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Seriously can you even read? I specifically said that I don't think BioWare deserves the F. I said your statement that BBB automatically gives you an F because you don't pay is false. I can't believe you're trying to argue that. No wonder you think going to the BBB and FTC is going to far. Clearly you have no problems with lying. How does EA have an A rating without being accredited? Could it be other factors besides paying the accreditation money? Which means your statement is false.

And *I* said that BioWare has an F because they don't pay for accreditation. Not that ALL companies who don't pay have Fs.

Please, try to keep up. I know it's hard, I do. But promise to try.

Pfffft. There's nothing to keep up with.  Where's your proof that the sole reason BioWare has an F is because they don't have accreditation? Ah yes there is none, only your opinion. Maybe it's because it's a smaller studio with a disproportionate amount of complaints?   www.bbb.org/business-reviews/ratings/  

[Dridengx]

XTR3M3 wrote...

@Father_Jerusalem

I see a lot of "maybes" in your stuff with no proof, but that is your MO, make statements, be snide and condescending and provide no proof what-so-ever while trying to dismiss other people's proof. You do that from thread to thread.

Yes, I do believe you are a paid PR troll

Wouldn't you rather have his use maybes instead of false information like most of you do throwing percentages and numbers out of nowhere? I think it's awesome he never states anything as fact.

You can believe whatever you want. except for the fact that most PR have facts and state them one thing you just claimed he does not

[AJRimmsey]

XTR3M3 wrote...

@Father_Jerusalem

I see a lot of "maybes" in your stuff with no proof, but that is your MO, make statements, be snide and condescending and provide no proof what-so-ever while trying to dismiss other people's proof. You do that from thread to thread.

Yes, I do believe you are a paid PR troll given what I have seen of your posts and how you try and derail threads. If you aren't, the real PR trolls are laughing all the way to the bank having you do their work for nothing.....a shame for you and a missed opportunity for profit. You are either the butt of their joke or are in on it...either way it makes it stink.

good luck to you in your trolling...
end of line.

You don't contribute to the thread, you try and derail it and deflect attention from the topic. keep crusading against those dangerous 58 people. All the jobs at BioWare depend on you!

*animated  image removed per Site Rule #6: either write something or do not respond, that is your choice*

Modifié par Selene Moonsong, 12 avril 2012 - 12:29 .

[Father_Jerusalem]

XTR3M3 wrote...

@Father_Jerusalem

I see a lot of "maybes" in your stuff with no proof, but that is your MO, make statements, be snide and condescending and provide no proof what-so-ever while trying to dismiss other people's proof. You do that from thread to thread.

Yes, I do believe you are a paid PR troll given what I have seen of your posts and how you try and derail threads. If you aren't, the real PR trolls are laughing all the way to the bank having you do their work for nothing.....a shame for you and a missed opportunity for profit. You are either the butt of their joke or are in on it...either way it makes it stink.

good luck to you in your trolling...
end of line.

You don't contribute to the thread, you try and derail it and deflect attention from the topic. keep crusading against those dangerous 58 people. All the jobs at BioWare depend on you!

You asked a question. I tried to give you several options that made logical sense that would answer your question. As I am NOT the BBB, I can not answer your question with certainty. That is how it works. You ask something, we respond, you then complain about the response and call us trolls.

And for the record, you started with the namecalling here. I tried explaining why the BBB gave BioWare an F, and why they are not something to be taken seriously. You accused me of derailing the thread (which... given we're talking about the BBB and them talking about BioWare, and I'm talking about the BBB and BioWare... I don't think you know what "derailing" means) and accused me of being a troll.

Good luck in your not understanding how life works.

End of line.

[Father_Jerusalem]

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Seriously can you even read? I specifically said that I don't think BioWare deserves the F. I said your statement that BBB automatically gives you an F because you don't pay is false. I can't believe you're trying to argue that. No wonder you think going to the BBB and FTC is going to far. Clearly you have no problems with lying. How does EA have an A rating without being accredited? Could it be other factors besides paying the accreditation money? Which means your statement is false.

And *I* said that BioWare has an F because they don't pay for accreditation. Not that ALL companies who don't pay have Fs.

Please, try to keep up. I know it's hard, I do. But promise to try.

Pfffft. There's nothing to keep up with.  Where's your proof that the sole reason BioWare has an F is because they don't have accreditation? Ah yes there is none, only your opinion. Maybe it's because it's a smaller studio with a disproportionate amount of complaints?   www.bbb.org/business-reviews/ratings/  

58 complaints over three years, 52 of which were resolved successfully, 1 open complaint.... is a "disproportionate" amount?

Yes, clearly, THAT is the reason for the F. Not because they don't pay for it. CLEARLY. Jesus H.

[kbct]

XTR3M3 wrote...

@Father_Jerusalem

I see a lot of "maybes" in your stuff with no proof, but that is your MO, make statements, be snide and condescending and provide no proof what-so-ever while trying to dismiss other people's proof. You do that from thread to thread.

The MO is to bicker and derail the thread so a mod sinks into the depths of the forum. Just like the last thread on this topic.

Modifié par kbct, 12 avril 2012 - 12:17 .

[Father_Jerusalem]

kbct wrote...

XTR3M3 wrote...

@Father_Jerusalem

I see a lot of "maybes" in your stuff with no proof, but that is your MO, make statements, be snide and condescending and provide no proof what-so-ever while trying to dismiss other people's proof. You do that from thread to thread.

The MO is to bicker and derail the thread so a mod sinks into the depths of the forum. Just like the last thread on this topic.

You mean the one where your buddy spammed a link, like, a hundred times and then tried to say "uh uh! that's not spamming!"

Good times, good times.

[Dridengx]

kbct wrote...

XTR3M3 wrote...

@Father_Jerusalem

I see a lot of "maybes" in your stuff with no proof, but that is your MO, make statements, be snide and condescending and provide no proof what-so-ever while trying to dismiss other people's proof. You do that from thread to thread.

The MO is to bicker and derail the thread so a mod sinks into the depths of the forum. Just like the last thread on this topic.

I disagree. He was responding to the thread, it's people like the one you quoted who turns it into a personal arguement about character, intentions, and accusations. If they would leave those opinions to themselves and kept on topic guess what? Jerusalem wouldn't respond to them thus creating off topic discussion. People reply to what people ask, it's a natural thing.