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[Father_Jerusalem]

kbct wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

kbct wrote...

MrTijger wrote...

kbct wrote...

The MO is to bicker and derail the thread so a mod sinks into the depths of the forum. Just like the last thread on this topic.

Oh, you mean you dont want actual discussion and being countered with actual facts and arguments? Oh well, I see where we go wrong now!

Why do you come here when you clearly only want people to agree with you?

Look what happened to the last thread:

http://social.biowar...193/13#11303896

Now, look at this page in this thread.

You mean the part where l00P was trying to get people to report me because I disagreed with your position? Or the part where Aesieru spammed a post with, like, 100 copies of the same link and nothing else and then tried to say "nuh uh! that's not spam!" 

Oh wait, I think I've figured out why you're not calling them out on that behavior, they AGREE with you. Conspiracy, solved.

I don't report people. I said that in the previous thread too.

Like it or not, this BBB blog is gonna get media attention. And it doesn't look good for EA/BioWare.

Check out the title of this article:

"EA guilty of "false advertising" over Mass Effect 3 ending, claims US watchdog"

http://www.oxm.co.uk...ms-us-watchdog/

Check out the bottom of the article:

EA was recently voted the worst company in America by over 250,000 people. This probably isn't going to help.

We're gonna hear about this stuff over and over.

And I can go on the google machine and, in about five seconds, find thousands upon thousands of results exposing the BBB for the scam that it is. Including from mainstream sources like ABC news. 

Yet, because the BBB says something you agree with, it's a big deal and should be the headlines and BioWare should be forced to go out of business.

The BBB is a scam. It. Is. A. Scam. If you do not pay, you do not get good ratings - for the most part. There are documented cases of people asking "How can we go from an F to an A" and BBB's response? "Pay the fee to become accredited." Come on. Come on. Try to be honest here.

[kbct]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

kbct wrote...

I don't report people. I said that in the previous thread too.

Like it or not, this BBB blog is gonna get media attention. And it doesn't look good for EA/BioWare.

Check out the title of this article:

"EA guilty of "false advertising" over Mass Effect 3 ending, claims US watchdog"

http://www.oxm.co.uk...ms-us-watchdog/

Check out the bottom of the article:

EA was recently voted the worst company in America by over 250,000 people. This probably isn't going to help.

We're gonna hear about this stuff over and over.

And I can go on the google machine and, in about five seconds, find thousands upon thousands of results exposing the BBB for the scam that it is. Including from mainstream sources like ABC news. 

Yet, because the BBB says something you agree with, it's a big deal and should be the headlines and BioWare should be forced to go out of business.

The BBB is a scam. It. Is. A. Scam. If you do not pay, you do not get good ratings - for the most part. There are documented cases of people asking "How can we go from an F to an A" and BBB's response? "Pay the fee to become accredited." Come on. Come on. Try to be honest here.

You can go on Google and find hundreds of thousands of results on absolutely anything. You like something? A zillion results. You don't like something? A zillion results.

BBB has a decent reputation. You don't check if a contractor has a bad reputation on BBB before you do something to your house? I do.

The articles so far have given BBB a good deal of respect.

[Vormaerin]

thunderhawk862002 wrote...


Pfffft. There's nothing to keep up with.  Where's your proof that the sole reason BioWare has an F is because they don't have accreditation? Ah yes there is none, only your opinion. Maybe it's because it's a smaller studio with a disproportionate amount of complaints?   www.bbb.org/business-reviews/ratings/  

Since Bioware does not pay for accreditation, the BBB does not evaluate Bioware on size of business or any of the other criteria. Bioware is automatically treated as the smallest possible business for determining the "disproportionate amount of complaints."    Also, because Bioware is not accrediting itself with the BBB, it most likely does not respond to the BBB's complaints.

These two things result in in a bad grade and are a direct result of the non accreditation.

Is non accreditation sufficient *by itself* to get an F grade?  No.   But it is clear that if it paid for accreditation, it would have a much better score than it does.

EA is non accredited and has an A rating, which just means that the BBB does have sufficient information on EA (for whatever reason) to evaluate them on the basis of their actual size.   It may also mean that EA has lawyers to answer the BBB's letters.

[Father_Jerusalem]

kbct wrote..

You can go on Google and find hundreds of thousands of results on absolutely anything. You like something? A zillion results. You don't like something? A zillion results.

BBB has a decent reputation. You don't check if a contractor has a bad reputation on BBB before you do something to your house? I do.

The articles so far have given BBB a good deal of respect.

Nobody I know checks the BBB before doing business. These days, it's all about Angie's List.

Why, you may ask?

Direct on the front page of the website:

"Companies can't pay to be on Angie's List
Reviews come from real people like you, not anonymous users
Exclusive discounts from top-rated businesses – save up to 70%
Ratings and reviews in over 550 home repair and health care categories
Live call center and help if a project goes bad"

The BBB does NOT have a good reputation. It is NOT an organization to take seriously. It IS pay for play. BBB is a JOKE. 

You want to talk about articles giving BBB a "great deal of respect"? How about this.An ABC News report about BBB being pay for play. 

http://abcnews.go.co...43#.T4YvgFFYt-M 

Better than ozu.co.uk or whatever the website you linked is, I'd say.

Modifié par Father_Jerusalem, 12 avril 2012 - 01:28 .

[DashRunner92]

Ace Kenshader wrote...

Well this will not surely turn into a bloodbath between acne covered nerds for sure. On the bright though I can now legitamitely claim false advertising on Skyrim, like this.


“Epic Fantasy Reborn. Skyrim re-imagines and revolutionizes the open-world fantasy epic, bringing to life a complete virtual world open for you to explore any way you choose.”

Glad I could visit the now Ash-filled rock formerly known as Vvardenfell, or the desert lands of Hammerfell. I would love to visit the town of Bruma or see the rebuilt city of Kvatch 200 years later. It’s not like the entire virtual world is locked off by invisible walls or anything. And I wouldn’t even call it epic fantasy reborn either; you are a new character this time around too, not the offspring of the Champion of Cyrodiil or the Nerevarine. Plus, Bethesda has pretty much made the same game since Morrowind anyway.

How exactly does it not fulfill that advertising. I felt like Skyrim revolutionized how fantasy games should be played. I loved it. You can do what ever you want, not just follow the main quest. What you stated was completely subjective. As someone who hasn't played Morrowind, this is a completely different game. The same does not apply to ME3.

Modifié par DashRunner92, 12 avril 2012 - 01:29 .

[kbct]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

kbct wrote..

You can go on Google and find hundreds of thousands of results on absolutely anything. You like something? A zillion results. You don't like something? A zillion results.

BBB has a decent reputation. You don't check if a contractor has a bad reputation on BBB before you do something to your house? I do.

The articles so far have given BBB a good deal of respect.

The BBB does NOT have a good reputation. It is NOT an organization to take seriously. It IS pay for play. BBB is a JOKE. 

Do you like any of the companies or media outlets have said something negative about EA/BioWare?

Here is some advice given to consumers by BBB when dealing with Craigslist. Is it a bunch of crap advice?

http://www.krtv.com/...aigslist-scams/

Modifié par kbct, 12 avril 2012 - 01:39 .

[Father_Jerusalem]

Opsrbest wrote...

Two words for you when it comes to the BBB

Blizzard Entertainment.

Indeed. From BBB's page on Blizzard: "1294 complaints closed with BBB in last 3 years | 174 closed in last 12". They have an A+ rating.

From BBB's page on BioWare: "58 complaints closed with BBB in last 3 years | 52 closed in last 12 months". They have an F rating.

The one difference? Blizzard pays to be accredited. BioWare doesn't.

But clearly, based on merit, right?

[aberdash]

shnellegaming wrote...

I think people should read this one but your link isn't showing up so I'm going to repost it as a link

http://www.bbb.org/b...etter-or-worse/

Better Buisness Beaurea itself says Mass Effect did a False PR campaign, eek.

Wonder how this was posted in the "advertising review" section yet it is not listed in the advertising review section on biowares page.

Modifié par aberdash, 12 avril 2012 - 01:42 .

[kbct]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Opsrbest wrote...

Two words for you when it comes to the BBB

Blizzard Entertainment.

Indeed. From BBB's page on Blizzard: "1294 complaints closed with BBB in last 3 years | 174 closed in last 12". They have an A+ rating.

EA has an A rating:

http://www.bbb.org/g...ncisco-ca-64196

But clearly, based on merit, right?

Modifié par kbct, 12 avril 2012 - 01:43 .

[Father_Jerusalem]

kbct wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

kbct wrote..

You can go on Google and find hundreds of thousands of results on absolutely anything. You like something? A zillion results. You don't like something? A zillion results.

BBB has a decent reputation. You don't check if a contractor has a bad reputation on BBB before you do something to your house? I do.

The articles so far have given BBB a good deal of respect.

The BBB does NOT have a good reputation. It is NOT an organization to take seriously. It IS pay for play. BBB is a JOKE. 

Do you like any of the companies or media outlets have said something negative about EA/BioWare?

Here is some advice given to consumers by BBB when dealing with Craigslist. Is it a bunch of crap advice?

http://www.krtv.com/...aigslist-scams/

So, because the BBB warns people to be careful on Craigslist, it's the most amazing thing ever? Seriously? 

Here's one from a religious guy about how to be careful on Craigslist: 
http://discipleshipg...-on-craigslist/ - does that mean Jesus is against Craigslist?

[Father_Jerusalem]

kbct wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Opsrbest wrote...

Two words for you when it comes to the BBB

Blizzard Entertainment.

Indeed. From BBB's page on Blizzard: "1294 complaints closed with BBB in last 3 years | 174 closed in last 12". They have an A+ rating.

EA has an A rating:

http://www.bbb.org/g...ncisco-ca-64196

But clearly, based on merit, right?

"If you do not pay, you do not get good ratings - for the most part."

From an earlier statement I made. I bolded the part that, you know, you should pay attention to. 

Fun fact, a week or two ago when I checked EA's BBB rating - back when all these BBB complaint topics first came up - it was "Not Rated". Now it's an A. Conspiracy? Interesting coincidence? You decide. 

[Father_Jerusalem]

slyguy200 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Opsrbest wrote...

Two words for you when it comes to the BBB

Blizzard Entertainment.

Indeed. From BBB's page on Blizzard: "1294 complaints closed with BBB in last 3 years | 174 closed in last 12". They have an A+ rating.

From BBB's page on BioWare: "58 complaints closed with BBB in last 3 years | 52 closed in last 12 months". They have an F rating.

The one difference? Blizzard pays to be accredited. BioWare doesn't.

But clearly, based on merit, right?

Based on money, BW no pay so then BBB tell truth about them

I will pay you zero dollars. Please, tell the truth about me.

[xsdob]

Okay than, who wants to be the one to take 5 to 8 years out of their life trying to take bioware to court only to have to settle out of court for just barley enough money to cover their enormous legal fees?

[hex23]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

"If you do not pay, you do not get good ratings - for the most part."

From an earlier statement I made. I bolded the part that, you know, you should pay attention to. 

Fun fact, a week or two ago when I checked EA's BBB rating - back when all these BBB complaint topics first came up - it was "Not Rated". Now it's an A. Conspiracy? Interesting coincidence? You decide.

There is no way it's "for the most part" considering EA is one of the most reviled companies.

No offense but you seem to spin facts a lot. Enough for me to notice and I rarely post here.

[Father_Jerusalem]

slyguy200 wrote...


^
You are annoying troll who has destroyed many threads. You do not always troll, but when you do, you do not stop until the thread is gone or someone gets banned.

I'm sorry, none of those are true statements. You see how easy it is to be biased, even when someone is paying you no dollars?

[OutlawTorn6806]

Kbct is the last person that should be talking about motives. He publicly admitted to policing the forums to make sure things don't get too positive for BW.

[Father_Jerusalem]

hex23 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

"If you do not pay, you do not get good ratings - for the most part."

From an earlier statement I made. I bolded the part that, you know, you should pay attention to. 

Fun fact, a week or two ago when I checked EA's BBB rating - back when all these BBB complaint topics first came up - it was "Not Rated". Now it's an A. Conspiracy? Interesting coincidence? You decide.

There is no way it's "for the most part" considering EA is one of the most reviled companies.

No offense but you seem to spin facts a lot. Enough for me to notice and I rarely post here.

Well, offense taken. EA getting an A is an exception, regardless of how we feel about them on the internet, they have are a multinational company and perhaps - a supposition on my part, not to be taken with any grain of fact, to be used as any sort of evidence - the BBB simply butters up those types of companies more than they do the smaller companies. 

Regardless: Blizzard has 20x the number of complaints that BioWare does, and has an A+ rating to BioWare's F. If you can come up with a logical explanation to that disparity, other than "Blizzard pays and BioWare doesn't" because I've already come up with that one, I'd love to hear it. Even if it is purely conjecture.