Did no one take Morrigan to the Fade? Is your theory that she knew you were walking in so compelled the spirit to act like you'd expect her mother to treat her??? Seriously.
We know from the Fade that Morrigan was typically beaten as a child by Flemeth. The simplest explanation is usually the right one. Flemeth is a hybrid abomination, kind of like Wynne, only instead of being inhabited by a benevolent spirit, she's inhabited by a spirit with an evil sense of humor.
Whether or not she actually inhabits her daughters bodies is obviously up for debate, but Morrigan and Flemeth are equals or sisters??? Please.
New Flemeth Theory
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#52
Posté 07 décembre 2009 - 05:17
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nuculerman wrote...
Did no one take Morrigan to the Fade? Is your theory that she knew you were walking in so compelled the spirit to act like you'd expect her mother to treat her??? Seriously.
We know from the Fade that Morrigan was typically beaten as a child by Flemeth. The simplest explanation is usually the right one. Flemeth is a hybrid abomination, kind of like Wynne, only instead of being inhabited by a benevolent spirit, she's inhabited by a spirit with an evil sense of humor.
Whether or not she actually inhabits her daughters bodies is obviously up for debate, but Morrigan and Flemeth are equals or sisters??? Please.
Oh please!
They have been manipulating you since before you met them.
You didn't really buy into that fabrication they "let" you see in the Fade did you?
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Posté 08 décembre 2009 - 05:59
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We know from the Fade that Morrigan was typically beaten as a child by Flemeth. The simplest explanation is usually the right one. Flemeth is a hybrid abomination, kind of like Wynne, only instead of being inhabited by a benevolent spirit, she's inhabited by a spirit with an evil sense of humor.
This isn't the simplest theory, as you would have to come up with some baseless way to explain how she knew about the ritual.
Oh, and I completely forgot about the sterility of a grey warden. If the grey wardens are indeed sterile(as I think alistair mentioned once), the it would be impossible for the ritual to occur by accident. I imagine that there is much more to the ritual than simply sleeping with a grey warden.
It only leaves two explanations for the discovery of the ritual.
1) Flemeth was taught it by an old god
2) Flemeth was taught it by a demon who learned it from ???
#54
Posté 08 décembre 2009 - 06:10
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heh. I've been thinking about Flemeth and her 'daughter' and here's what I think. Do I have fact to base it one. Probably not. I'll do my best to explain. Flemeth is very old and changes to a dragon when you attack her! hmmm dragon.... achdemon..... dragon shape.... hmmmm you sleep with flemeth's daughter so that your offspring can take in the soul of the archdemon... Hmmm is flemeth really old in body or maybe just soul? Hey! I know Flemeth is the child born of the last idiotic grey warden from the previous blight that wanted to save his/her best friend, or lover from certain death. Yikes maybe the Grey Wardens did call up the archdemon after all.
rumour. Some people say the grey wardens called up the archdemon because they were mad that they weren't.... yadda yadda... ((Talk to the tavern keep in Lothering for more details lol))
I am not paranoid! Daveth, you were right!
rumour. Some people say the grey wardens called up the archdemon because they were mad that they weren't.... yadda yadda... ((Talk to the tavern keep in Lothering for more details lol))
I am not paranoid! Daveth, you were right!
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Posté 08 décembre 2009 - 06:12
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BigKevSexyMan wrote...
We know from the Fade that Morrigan was typically beaten as a child by Flemeth. The simplest explanation is usually the right one. Flemeth is a hybrid abomination, kind of like Wynne, only instead of being inhabited by a benevolent spirit, she's inhabited by a spirit with an evil sense of humor.
This isn't the simplest theory, as you would have to come up with some baseless way to explain how she knew about the ritual.
Oh, and I completely forgot about the sterility of a grey warden. If the grey wardens are indeed sterile(as I think alistair mentioned once), the it would be impossible for the ritual to occur by accident. I imagine that there is much more to the ritual than simply sleeping with a grey warden.
It only leaves two explanations for the discovery of the ritual.
1) Flemeth was taught it by an old god
2) Flemeth was taught it by a demon who learned it from ???
Wardens aren't sterile. It's just very difficult for them to conceive. Not impossible though.
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#56
Posté 08 décembre 2009 - 07:25
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There´s a little extra we all have seemed to forget: Flemeth made an agreement with King Maric as one of the novels say but... what is that agreement? Maybe we´ll see in the future...
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Posté 08 décembre 2009 - 07:49
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Wardens sterile? Ahh..you mean that bit from the book with Maric and that female elf Grey Warden?
That's another matter. She was an elf. Humans and elves are less likely to produce an offspring than human and human (or elf and elf)...IIRC.
That's another matter. She was an elf. Humans and elves are less likely to produce an offspring than human and human (or elf and elf)...IIRC.
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Posté 08 décembre 2009 - 08:45
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flemeth strikes me as something different which we have not encountered yet in game. her mind games can be the work of a demon, which would make her an abomination, but her plans seem to be very different than the ones of the archdemon. in fact she shows very little direct interest in ferelden itself so if she's regarded to be 'evil' in nature either she's preparing for a big offensive in ferelden later on (can be centuries later) or she has some different goal but at least for the moment she does seem to have a common interest with the gray wardens or she even needs them... that is if someone does not simply see her as a good and helpful person.
she seems to have knowledge about the future anyway ... if it were only because she has seen similar events in the past or simply because she has knowledge about the role of the gray wardens ... she might even have been one once. combine her supposed lifespan with some obscure powers and she might be seen as one of the old gods.
the intriguing part is that she's willing to bargain for the grimoir when you challenge her and she mentions then how interesting it would be to see morrigan develop further and she mentions that she should work on her lightning or something similar which seems to indicate that she can not be harmed by her own grimoir or maybe that she can not be touched all together or ... she really believes that you can pose a more immediate threat to her and really decides to reconsider her options.
in an any case this seems -manipulation or not- to indicate that she does not consider morrigan as a mere empty expendable vessel to possess but on the other hand morrigan might already be a part of herself without morrigan realizing that part fully. maybe morrigan is not even a vessel but really a child of her and an upcoming power herself which needs further to be educated and trained but not for the reasons which morrigan mentions. when it comes to direct actions and ideas morrigan has always struck me as a greater evil than flemeth or maybe flemeth is simply the more shrewd one.
if you don't consider flemeth to be just some crazy old hag and believe nothing what morrigan told you then spreading a legend about being a might old god might very well be a defensive strategy for a witch in the wild but at the very least one can say that flemeth proves herself to be a very powerful shapeshifter because dragons are considered to be very powerful forms which were once even revered as gods so it is unlikely that the average shapeshifter mage could achieve this.
if one would believe the story about the newborn andraste being a tevinter mage who came back as a dragon then the plot thickens. flemeth can very well be a former tevinter mage herself then, andraste another and then there's the archdemon which is also represented as a dragon.
when it comes to judging acts as good versus evil the whole story is written from the perspective of the chantry which says that magic is meant to serve man and not to be ruled by it. it's also the story of humans breaking free of the chains of their former magical "gods" which get replaced by the concept of the maker: a pretty sterile god which does not interfere in a direct visible or magical way with peoples lives, in contrast to what the dragon gods do.
in any case flemeth seems to know it is not her time or she's simply not the same as the legend and despite giving indirect support to the wardens by sending morrigan along she keeps a low profile all together without giving a real clue about her intentions because she does prefer to not intervene directly or she's simply a mere mortal mage so i do not really think about her as some diabolic "evil" force to be reckoned with, or at least not at the time of the current blight.
the newborn andraste on the other hand explicitly waits for the darkspawn to weaken the opposition she might encounter according to kolgrim, before settling herself as the new god of ferelden so there's certainly a more direct threat there, if not because of a dragon on the rampage then because of the fanatic followers.
she seems to have knowledge about the future anyway ... if it were only because she has seen similar events in the past or simply because she has knowledge about the role of the gray wardens ... she might even have been one once. combine her supposed lifespan with some obscure powers and she might be seen as one of the old gods.
the intriguing part is that she's willing to bargain for the grimoir when you challenge her and she mentions then how interesting it would be to see morrigan develop further and she mentions that she should work on her lightning or something similar which seems to indicate that she can not be harmed by her own grimoir or maybe that she can not be touched all together or ... she really believes that you can pose a more immediate threat to her and really decides to reconsider her options.
in an any case this seems -manipulation or not- to indicate that she does not consider morrigan as a mere empty expendable vessel to possess but on the other hand morrigan might already be a part of herself without morrigan realizing that part fully. maybe morrigan is not even a vessel but really a child of her and an upcoming power herself which needs further to be educated and trained but not for the reasons which morrigan mentions. when it comes to direct actions and ideas morrigan has always struck me as a greater evil than flemeth or maybe flemeth is simply the more shrewd one.
if you don't consider flemeth to be just some crazy old hag and believe nothing what morrigan told you then spreading a legend about being a might old god might very well be a defensive strategy for a witch in the wild but at the very least one can say that flemeth proves herself to be a very powerful shapeshifter because dragons are considered to be very powerful forms which were once even revered as gods so it is unlikely that the average shapeshifter mage could achieve this.
if one would believe the story about the newborn andraste being a tevinter mage who came back as a dragon then the plot thickens. flemeth can very well be a former tevinter mage herself then, andraste another and then there's the archdemon which is also represented as a dragon.
when it comes to judging acts as good versus evil the whole story is written from the perspective of the chantry which says that magic is meant to serve man and not to be ruled by it. it's also the story of humans breaking free of the chains of their former magical "gods" which get replaced by the concept of the maker: a pretty sterile god which does not interfere in a direct visible or magical way with peoples lives, in contrast to what the dragon gods do.
in any case flemeth seems to know it is not her time or she's simply not the same as the legend and despite giving indirect support to the wardens by sending morrigan along she keeps a low profile all together without giving a real clue about her intentions because she does prefer to not intervene directly or she's simply a mere mortal mage so i do not really think about her as some diabolic "evil" force to be reckoned with, or at least not at the time of the current blight.
the newborn andraste on the other hand explicitly waits for the darkspawn to weaken the opposition she might encounter according to kolgrim, before settling herself as the new god of ferelden so there's certainly a more direct threat there, if not because of a dragon on the rampage then because of the fanatic followers.
Modifié par menasure, 08 décembre 2009 - 10:14 .
