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[Drake-Shepard]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Drake-Shepard wrote...

it was a competition. You have lost. IT is now absolute

So does that mean I win the whole tournament come the EC DLC?

It means we all lose the 'starchild is real and the game is illogical' tournament 

[ZajoE38]

IDT is very good and thorough. But it's not real. It ignores most of the facts from game. One can be easily fooled by it.

[GnusmasTHX]

Gallifreya wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Except it's not real.

It's also unlikely to be implemented because now people can claim it was theirs. Then lawsuits happen.

Then they'll make a movie out of the lawsuit.

What? O.o How in the flying f*** would it be possible for someone to sue over a theoretical ending from an IP that they DO NOT OWN. That's like saying someone can sue because a writer copied their fan fiction.

Peruse the comic world for a while. You'll find it's a real concern for creators.

[Drake-Shepard]

Gallifreya wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Except it's not real.

It's also unlikely to be implemented because now people can claim it was theirs. Then lawsuits happen.

Then they'll make a movie out of the lawsuit.

What? O.o How in the flying f*** would it be possible for someone to sue over a theoretical ending from an IP that they DO NOT OWN. That's like saying someone can sue because a writer copied their fan fiction.

Lost part copied fanfiction. JJ abrahams would say him and writers would sit down and plan the next season (making it up as they went along) and figure out how they would resolve a mystery (you see they made a mystery without knowing the answer)...and they would be like 'oooo fan #345 says this and this will happen'. They thought...yh that sounds cool and then just wrote it.

No-one got sued

[Drake-Shepard]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Gallifreya wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Except it's not real.

It's also unlikely to be implemented because now people can claim it was theirs. Then lawsuits happen.

Then they'll make a movie out of the lawsuit.

What? O.o How in the flying f*** would it be possible for someone to sue over a theoretical ending from an IP that they DO NOT OWN. That's like saying someone can sue because a writer copied their fan fiction.

Peruse the comic world for a while. You'll find it's a real concern for creators.

If no1 can sue BW for false advertising, I can;t see them sueing for copying fanfiction.

In fact the creater of the main IT youtube vid...the one referenced everywhere, believes this is BW's plan all along. His posts under the vid, show this. So he could never sue. The IT google document and all IT supporters support it because they think it was the plan all along and not 'so many plot holes we came up with a better script'. Thus, BW cannot get sued.

[balance5050]

I know man, it's awesome, it will never die, and was totally intentional...hehehehe.

[GnusmasTHX]

You can sue for virtually anything you want, doesn't mean anything will come out of it.

If BW did implement IT, it would be obvious it wasn't their own content.

Modifié par GnusmasTHX, 11 avril 2012 - 02:28 .

[balance5050]

ZajoE38 wrote...

IDT is very good and thorough. But it's not real. It ignores most of the facts from game. One can be easily fooled by it.

*Cough* Actually the ending ignores the facts of the games, IDT is the real ending if you are paying attention.

[liggy002]

People like to say it's not going to happen, but they really have no idea like the rest of us. Bioware HAS NOT officially denounced indoctrination theory so it is still a possibility. Yes, it is an amazing theory. There isn't a problem with lawsuits like some would have you believe. I'd like to see someone try to sue Bioware. If they planned IT from the start, which they would have since there is evidence in the game, they would know well enough how to avoid a law suit. Besides, labeling it as AN EXPANSION or part of AN EXTENDED CUT would not represent the ending we were supposed to get.

[BobbyDylan]

ZajoE38 wrote...

IDT is very good and thorough. But it's not real. It ignores most of the facts from game. One can be easily fooled by it.

Actually it makes more sense than the ending we got, whicj ingores even more of the facts of the game.

I'm not saying I'm trying to sell the IT, I'm saying it's preferable to the current ending because it aludes to hope.
I'm not saying it was what Bioware had in mind from the get go, but I think it's the best coarse of action going forward.

[Drake-Shepard]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

You can sue for virtually anything you want, doesn't mean anything will come out of it.

If BW did implement IT, it would be obvious it wasn't their own content.

I don't even know how to respond to this

[liggy002]

evisneffo wrote...

StElmo wrote...

Does anyone know if bioware have confirmed it?

They've neither confirmed nor denied, and I doubt they ever will.

They said they would let the content speak for itself.  If they don't confirm or deny it, It's not hard to imagine that the content they release will be garbage since we still all be stuck in space magic land.  The extended cut is meant to explain the ending and thus, they should either prove or discredit the theory at that time.  They're going to have to address what happens to Shepard after he wake up, if they don't there will be a sh** storm.

Modifié par liggy002, 11 avril 2012 - 02:40 .

[Driver153]

 The codex entry for indoctrination suggests there would be more signs/evidence.

[Colder-Than-Ice]

*Spoiler warning, don't read if you don't want to be spoiled on the storyline*

People who are against Indoctrination theory also fail to notice several things.
To start with that ME 3's original ending was planned to be vague. Also, indoctrination does explain Shepard's weird behaviour during the entire single player campaign, in addition to the fact why he gets nightmares of the kid and why he always spots the kid in very strange places. In fact, the whole ME3 single player campaign has a dreamlike feel all along with stuff that just happens or simply is there without any logic to it. Some examples:
The kid at the beginning porting really fast (from balcony to air duct to open yard) from one location to another and all of the said locations having no truly viable exits or entraces apart from the extraction shuttle. Also, no one but Shepard ever react's to the kid's presence.
Normandy has a new ethereal feel to it, because certain rooms that existed before are now blocked by crates or simply don't exist, whereas new rooms have taken their place. All these changes are explained in a vague manner "conversing space" etc. In addition, the Alliance seems to have implemented a weapon scanner between CIC and War Room for no apparent reason ("Guess anything can come through that door.") . If it was to safeguard crew, it'd prolly be at the airlock. After all, Campbell and Westmoreland state it was implemented because of the Collector attack on Normandy. What, would they all just stand and wait in a line to get scanned?
Shepard draws strange conclusions in dialogue and acts in weird manner, such as pointing a gun at Ashley/Alenko.

I'm not saying the whole ME3 storyline can't be badly written. I'm only saying that Bioware was going somewhere similar with the original ending too and it's not necessarily so that they just went "lol can't think of anything lets put this kid here and write some crap quick so we can make money". Personally, I wouldn't even want another ending or explanation to the ending, whether or not indoctrination theory is correct. I just don't think that the think-they-know-it-alls who thrastalk the game deserve to get stuff underlined for them just so they can be convinced that maybe Bioware might've actually thought it through (or have not thought it through).

[rachellouise]

The codex entry for indoctrination suggests there would be more signs/evidence.

There are also a lot of datapads, and accounts from people being indoctrinated. The signs are pretty much the same from person to person, however Shepard is not displaying any of the symptoms described.

Modifié par rachellouise, 11 avril 2012 - 02:46 .

[GnusmasTHX]

EC pretty much rules out IT. If you don't believe so that's as much denial as IT itself is.

[Drake-Shepard]

@ colder-then-ice

I have no idea what your point is
I don't think that scanner is important to any theory. It is there for loading purposes, and to stop recording equipment/ spies getting to the the strategically important war room

[Candidate 88766]

If you ignore large chunks of the lore about indoctrination and instead assume that, instead of just being subliminal signals, indoctrination is some kind of Inception-style battle of wills between the victim and the Reapers then sure.

If you have a flick through the codex, you'll see that Shepard never really exhibits any of the hallmarks of indoctrination (feelings of being watched, hallucinations - which by their very nature take place during your waking hours, not during dreams, so the dream sequences aren't proof of indoctrination to any extent). Plus, there has never been any indication that indoctrination leads to the victim imagining some kind of dream world in which the Reapers try to trick you into becoming indoctrinated. It doesn't fit with the lore.

[Candidate 88766]

Colder-Than-Ice wrote...

Normandy has a new ethereal feel to it, because certain rooms that existed before are now blocked by crates or simply don't exist, whereas new rooms have taken their place. All these changes are explained in a vague manner "conversing space" etc.

The only rooms not present are the armoury and conference room, which are now taken up by the War Room and QECs. Not sure where you getting this 'ethereal' vibe from.

In addition, the Alliance seems to have implemented a weapon scanner between CIC and War Room for no apparent reason ("Guess anything can come through that door.") . If it was to safeguard crew, it'd prolly be at the airlock. After all, Campbell and Westmoreland state it was implemented because of the Collector attack on Normandy. What, would they all just stand and wait in a line to get scanned?

Its a loading area, much like the airlock in ME1.

Shepard draws strange conclusions in dialogue and acts in weird manner, such as pointing a gun at Ashley/Alenko.

Because they're pointing a gun at Shepard at the time...

[Spectre-61]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

If you ignore large chunks of the lore about indoctrination and instead assume that, instead of just being subliminal signals, indoctrination is some kind of Inception-style battle of wills between the victim and the Reapers then sure.

If you have a flick through the codex, you'll see that Shepard never really exhibits any of the hallmarks of indoctrination (feelings of being watched, hallucinations - which by their very nature take place during your waking hours, not during dreams, so the dream sequences aren't proof of indoctrination to any extent). Plus, there has never been any indication that indoctrination leads to the victim imagining some kind of dream world in which the Reapers try to trick you into becoming indoctrinated. It doesn't fit with the lore.

And the current ending does fit with the lore? 

[rachellouise]

variobunz wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

If you ignore large chunks of the lore about indoctrination and instead assume that, instead of just being subliminal signals, indoctrination is some kind of Inception-style battle of wills between the victim and the Reapers then sure.

If you have a flick through the codex, you'll see that Shepard never really exhibits any of the hallmarks of indoctrination (feelings of being watched, hallucinations - which by their very nature take place during your waking hours, not during dreams, so the dream sequences aren't proof of indoctrination to any extent). Plus, there has never been any indication that indoctrination leads to the victim imagining some kind of dream world in which the Reapers try to trick you into becoming indoctrinated. It doesn't fit with the lore.

And the current ending does fit with the lore? 

catalyst = being of light, protecting organics

[Drake-Shepard]

rachellouise wrote...

The codex entry for indoctrination suggests there would be more signs/evidence.

There are also a lot of datapads, and accounts from people being indoctrinated. The signs are pretty much the same from person to person, however Shepard is not displaying any of the symptoms described.

wait what???!

derelict reaper - people seeing things.
shepard- seeing the little boy

reaper queen- describes oily shadows in dreams and roar from space
shepard - oily shadows in his dream sequence...gets to the boy...a reaper roar happens

saren - convinced synthesis was the way to go. logical argument too.
shepard - starchild presents scenerio where synthesis is preferable to fighting

TIM- you accuse TIM of being too close to the enemy and indoctrinated, he says control is best option
shepard - control is once again presented as a preferable option to destroy

All dream sequences are prolonged slow motion. Post harbinger blast is only other part of the game which is slowmotion for more then 1 second.

There is a reason people think shepard is indoctrinated.

[GnusmasTHX]

Or, you know, the boy was real until he died.

Visual effects.

Saren's synthesis and Shepard's are not even the same thing.

Control was an option as far back as the Prothean cycle.

Guh.

[Candidate 88766]

Drake-Shepard wrote...

All dream sequences are prolonged slow motion. Post harbinger blast is only other part of the game which is slowmotion for more then 1 second.

Except for EVA on Mars and the Reaper on Rannoch...

[Candidate 88766]

variobunz wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

If you ignore large chunks of the lore about indoctrination and instead assume that, instead of just being subliminal signals, indoctrination is some kind of Inception-style battle of wills between the victim and the Reapers then sure.

If you have a flick through the codex, you'll see that Shepard never really exhibits any of the hallmarks of indoctrination (feelings of being watched, hallucinations - which by their very nature take place during your waking hours, not during dreams, so the dream sequences aren't proof of indoctrination to any extent). Plus, there has never been any indication that indoctrination leads to the victim imagining some kind of dream world in which the Reapers try to trick you into becoming indoctrinated. It doesn't fit with the lore.

And the current ending does fit with the lore? 

Never said it did.