Candidate 88766 wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
You need to be specific with "lore", the lore is one can be indoctrinated just by being around reaper tech and the vicitims usually don't know they have been indoctrinated.
(from the codex)
Reaper "indoctrination" is an insidious means of corrupting organic minds, "reprogramming" the brain through physical and psychological conditioning using electromagnetic fields, infrasonic and ultrasonic noise, and other subliminal methods. The Reaper's resulting control over the limbic system leaves the victim highly susceptible to its suggestions.Organics undergoing indoctrination may complain of headaches and buzzing or ringing in their ears. As time passes, they have feelings of "being watched" and hallucinations of "ghostly" presences. Ultimately, the Reaper gains the ability to use the victim's body to amplify its signals, manifesting as "alien" voices in the mind.Indoctrination can create perfect deep cover agents. A Reaper's "suggestions" can manipulate victims into betraying friends, trusting enemies, or viewing the Reaper itself with superstitious awe. Should a Reaper subvert a well-placed political or military leader, the resulting chaos can bring down nations.Long-term physical effects of the manipulation are unsustainable. Higher mental functioning decays, ultimately leaving the victim a gibbering animal. Rapid indoctrination is possible, but causes this decay in days or weeks. Slow, patient indoctrination allows the thrall to last for months or years.
Organics undergoing indoctrination may complain of headaches and buzzing or ringing in their ears.
Shepard never experiences these.
As time passes, they have feelings of "being watched"
Again, never happens.
and hallucinations of "ghostly" presences.
A hallucination takes place while you are awake, and so is distinct form a dream. Shepard doesn't see a 'ghostly presence' at any point, other than arguably the Catalyst right at the end.
Ultimately, the Reaper gains the ability to use the victim's body to amplify its signals, manifesting as "alien" voices in the mind.
Note the word 'ultimately'. By the time Shepard would be hearing voices in his mind, he would be fully indoctrinated. The changes form it are permanent, so if you believe that the voices in the dreams indicate this final stage then the idea that Shepard can later break free of it by choosing destroy must be wrong.
Note the word "may" in "
may complain of headaches and buzzing or ringing in the ears." It appears that every single indoctrination experience isn't the same. Once again, Shepard is a unique individual. More so because the player is controlling Shepard. His/Her experience would need to be somewhat different than that of the speedily indoctrinated, or even the way Saren was indoctrinated.
And the Reapers learned something when they indoctrinated Saren. The Indoctrination can be broken, with nothing more than a few words (Shepard proved that...she convinced him of his own indoctrination, and he shot himself). They needed to implant him with Reaper tech just to keep him loyal. Which proves how difficult it is to take control over a person that has an incredibly strong will. In short, the Reapers didn't want to scew it up like they did with Saren.
Slow, patient indoctrination. They did this with Saren. And it failed. What is the logical next step in the Reapers' attempts to indoctrinate high ranking officials? Go slower. Be more subtle. More patient. Don't force it, at all. In fact, let them think it's -their- decision. And if it fails, they failed. Oh well. It would have failed anyway, as proved by Saren, if they'd been more foreful about it. Shepard would realize, and put a gun to her head rather than let a Reaper control her.
The most complelling piece of evidence are Harbinger's words in Arrival. I don't know how many times I have to say it.
"Take her to the medbay and patch her up. We need Shepard alive."
What is the reason? I would very much like IT naysayers to explain this. Every time I mention it, they just sweep it under the rug as if Harbinger never said it. Which is ridiculous.
Modifié par Gallifreya, 11 avril 2012 - 05:48 .
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