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[Xhitaa]

I play on PS3, big flat screen TV standing on the other side of the living room. I don't get headaches with HM on and my eyes are fine after playing two or three games with it.

BUT!

Would I mind if they change it to something not so bright and not so LSD? Absolutly not!
Can I see the blue markers from the moment they pop-up? Never!

Considering it would most probably improve my own gaming experience AND help people that suffer from it, I see no issue if BW would change the HM to something less offensive. I actually support it.

[chuckytheman]

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

chuckytheman wrote...

justgimmedudedammit wrote...
I had to chuckle at this comment. You give way too much credit to the 12 year olds of having any vague idea about such things.

So, are we assuming things now? Such as assuming everyone is simply a bratty 12 year old kid and not young adults or even, dare I say, actual adults?

You'd be surprised at the number of games those same 12 year olds could have access to that has a large number of options. Wow is a easy one. That game gives the player a metric-crap ton of options for the game.

Kindly point out where I called anyone a brat in that post. I see you were assuming I had malicious intent with that post when, in fact, it was simply a matter of obeservation that many younger players have not experienced the older games you referred to. The ones with options.

You're also assuming those same younger players would care to check out the older titles. Perhaps they do, most likely not since at one point I recall being a tween and had the attention span of a gnat then, too. Using WoW as an older example is...not really that old. I guess during my nearly five decades of breathing oxygen I go back slightly further than that when I think of older titles with options. So my point still stands. It's simply a matter of perspective. Unless, of course, you assume otherwise.

Oh get off of it. If you had no malicious intent then why are you getting defensive over a minor detail?
This is the same thing with the other guy who had mentioned a 12 year old. What is the common mindset of what a 12 year is on video games? Bratty children. The world "bratty" is so painfully unimportant that you rather get bent out of shape because of it. Why? You seem like an intelligent person. Let our points be the main focus here.

My point is, those 12 year olds could've played  games with options. Hell even CoD had options. Not a lot but more often than not it had more than ME3. I'm not saying they could be oldies like us. But they should've at least (bear minimum) experienced a vast amount of options whether they knew it or not. I also used WoW as an example of rather old game the kids had available to them that fell under "Loads of options in the options menu" area.

And I see your point about your mindset as a tween but that's personal and we're generalizing here.

In short, the fact is... just as it is possible they know nothing of options because of their intelligence and age there is an equally possible amount that they do. This is all. And we're not to assume based on their age that they know next to nothing on the subject.

Now, I'd rather not continue to go off topic any longer. Are you fine with this?

[Fox544]

/not signed.

I play on a 32in HD TV and have never had a problem with headaches or any kind of pain. I get the feeling people could solve a lot of problems by turning their in game brightness down.

[JGDD]

chuckytheman wrote...

Are you fine with this?

Of course.

[JGDD]

Fox544 wrote...

/not signed.

I play on a 32in HD TV and have never had a problem with headaches or any kind of pain. I get the feeling people could solve a lot of problems by turning their in game brightness down.

And once again we have the person that heads straight to the end of the line without so much as a passing glance at the rest of thread...

It's been stated numerous times that:

1) Not everyone plays a console based version of the game.

2) The game should not need to be adjusted for a single characters mode once it has been adjusted previously for the rest of the game.

3) Most importantly, not everyone is you. They do, in fact, experience physical discomfort and or stress from this effect when engaged.

You can now step down from your perch atop Mt. Olympus and try to see reasons that differ from your own.

[Yosuke]

I play on a PS3, and while hunter mode doesn't give me a headache, it definitely strains my eyes more than I would like. I don't really understand why some people are against tweaking hunter mode... I don't see how anyone could love how it looks so much that they would rather keep it this way than save many other people headaches/eyestrain. Some game issues can be solved by tweaking settings, but you shouldn't have to change your settings every time you switch characters.

If you don't want to support it to help others out, that's fine... but then why bother posting at all? That's like going up to a Salvation Army Santa and dropping a rock in the bucket.

Modifié par Yosuke, 25 avril 2012 - 10:42 .

[Chala]

During the first time I used that mode, I thought:

"Now I understand why Legion made the comparison of overclocking and being high"

That match was hilarious, I remember shooting to the walls for a few seconds from time to time

After a while I get used to it (At this moment I don't have any problems with this skill), but they should make the mode more "accesible" for guys who don't get used to this kind of things.

Modifié par El_Chala_Legalizado, 25 avril 2012 - 10:54 .

[Offender_Mullet]

chuckytheman wrote...

Okay, well pointless insults aside. It is completely irrelevant whether I or anyone else has Geth Hunter Mode on 100% of the time or less. You're missing the point here. It hurts people's eyes or causes stress when IN USE! 20% of the time or 100% of the time. Over extended use people are having discomfort. Do you not understand the basic point here? Also, do you know anything about the common setup of skills in this game? Look at Tech Armor or Barrier. They're both skills that are supposed to be active for an extendedly long periods of time. That's why when deactivated it helps you in for form of an attack for sticky situations. Geth Hunter mode gives you back +50% of your sheilds, which I only assume is to be like Tech Armor. Since it lowered the sheilds in the first place.

Also, why are we questioning how long we are to use a skill? I'm the player and I choose how long I want to use it. It shouldn't matter if I want to use it once in a while or play an entire 10 waves of enemies with it on. It's MY CHOICE! BioWare is seemingly very big on "Choice". And this is a problem that cannot be avoided and shouldn't be. It's easy to address and that's what this forum's purpose is. Now please stop trying to "shatter the earth" with your very simplistic points. This thread is not for arguments about whether we're right or wrong.

And I have not "automatically blamed the game", I'm requesting a change in the game. They intended this skill to be fun and interesting, if not unique. And it quite frankly, it is. But it also takes it's toll personally. And your points are pretty much pointless. We're well aware of them and still would like a change. Is this so hard to understand? Any idiot can tell us we're not to use it 100% of the time. But why not? It's my choice. Let it be so. Now stop acting as if we're blaming the product, because again you're missing the real point here. As for "it's our fault" kind of mindset, thanks again for repeating yourself. You know, I see people always saying it's something wrong with your monitor, eyes or computer. Why is it so hard to believe that a number of people are bothered if not pained by this Skill? Also, when did I say that it actually pains me to use? When did I say it gives me headaches? I'm merely annoyed by how clustered my screen gets and how unneedingly difficult it can make playing the game. If I mention anything related to pain, it's because of others that are pained by it.

"whiny self-centered little kid", Yes those are my words why would you think otherwise? I didn't "quote" you on it. But what comes to mind when someone calls people 12 year olds? Hmmm? Exactly what I said. Whiny self-centered little kids. Stop trying to get defensive over nothing.

Oh, yes and the Monitor comment. That's wonderful. So again because you find in your personal opinion that it's much easier to adjust the monitor instead of the only single game that is giving visual issues? Right. Got'cha.
Because this makes sense. Adjust important settings of your monitor because of ONE game. What does it matter if poeple "know what they're doing"? You're missing the fact that A) This would only help while the skill is active and would make for needlessly changing your monitor repeatedly. The easier and more simple answer would be to adjust the games settings since the problem is only with the game and not when you're browsing the internet. But all besides the point and is only a temp. solution.

lol.....? I keep my points simplistic because that's MY CHOICE People who write 300-paragraph-long ranting posts that are all over the place (see above quote for reference) usually need a hug. Maybe a cookie? You keep harping because you don't like what I'm writing, in turn making things into an argument which you just stated this shouldn't be about. You seem very angry and won't let up until you 'get what you want' and aren't taking what others say who don't have an issue into consideration. That is very childish to be honest.

If Hunter Mode doesn't jive with what your eyes send to your brain and how it processes the images, then that's your personal opinion on why it should be changed. Well good for you and thanks for sharing. I gave you plenty reasons on what could be the issue (not just the monitor but you keep going back to that), but hey man it's all good. Have a wonderful....and stress-free weekend.

p.s. Real playa playas don't need special modes on to be good anyway. Just sayin'.

Modifié par Offender_Mullet, 25 avril 2012 - 10:54 .

[Eivind91sa]

It's simply a contrast issue. Tone down the colours of the stuff, and it'll be good.

[Midnight Voyager]

Eivind91sa wrote...

It's simply a contrast issue. Tone down the colours of the stuff, and it'll be good.

For the billionth time, this is entirely not the problem at all. From someone who has problems with it, it's not "simply" anything. It's the "3D Without 3D Glasses" double-vision, the blurring, the brightness, the giant symbols, it is all of it put together. The double-vision and blurring are the worst.

This is why adjusting contrast and brightness will never ever fix this problem at all. Because it's a miniscule fraction of the problem.

[NOO3TASTIC]

Offender_Mullet wrote...
lol.....? I keep my points simplistic because that's MY CHOICE People who write 300-paragraph-long ranting posts that are all over the place (see above quote for reference) usually need a hug. Maybe a cookie? You keep harping because you don't like what I'm writing, in turn making things into an argument which you just stated this shouldn't be about. You seem very angry and won't let up until you 'get what you want' and aren't taking what others say who don't have an issue into consideration. That is very childish to be honest.

If Hunter Mode doesn't jive with what your eyes send to your brain and how it processes the images, then that's your personal opinion on why it should be changed. Well good for you and thanks for sharing. I gave you plenty reasons on what could be the issue (not just the monitor but you keep going back to that), but hey man it's all good. Have a wonderful....and stress-free weekend.

p.s. Real playa playas don't need special modes on to be good anyway. Just sayin'.

You know removing all the hunter mod effects for everyone isn't the only option of fixing hunter mode. Why do you have to get so riled up over the fact that people want bioware to fix it because they are actually getting discomforted by using hunter mode and it causes severe eyestrain/headache for some.

Bioware could add an another options in game graphics options menu to toggle off all visual effects of abilites that alter brightness / and makes the screen blurry. That way the poeple who actually have eyestrain/headache/migraine with using hunter mode can play without discomfort and people with eyes made of stainless steel can have hunter mode look exactly like it looks like now.

For majority of people that are getting headache/eye strain by using hunter mode, it's the enhanced brightness combined with blurry screen combined with pulsating honeycomb/predator like symbols in corners. Monitor or "not properly calibrated settings" isn't the cause. Simply a toggle off options for those visual effects could solve the problem for both groups i.e. people who are discomforted and who are not and want the hunter mode to look like the same.

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It's frikkin 30 pages and no "official" word from bioware staff/developers that they are going to clean this mess or not. Constant silence over this genuine issue from their side is ridiculous and it feels like they are cohorts of pfizer/merck or any other major pharmaceutical company and will share the profits from eye strain/headache remedies drugs/medicines...

[chuckytheman]

Offender_Mullet wrote...

lol.....? I keep my points simplistic because that's MY CHOICE People who write 300-paragraph-long ranting posts that are all over the place (see above quote for reference) usually need a hug. Maybe a cookie? You keep harping because you don't like what I'm writing, in turn making things into an argument which you just stated this shouldn't be about. You seem very angry and won't let up until you 'get what you want' and aren't taking what others say who don't have an issue into consideration. That is very childish to be honest.

If Hunter Mode doesn't jive with what your eyes send to your brain and how it processes the images, then that's your personal opinion on why it should be changed. Well good for you and thanks for sharing. I gave you plenty reasons on what could be the issue (not just the monitor but you keep going back to that), but hey man it's all good. Have a wonderful....and stress-free weekend.

p.s. Real playa playas don't need special modes on to be good anyway. Just sayin'.

=_= Oh dear god. I don't even know where to begin with this. So I'll just start stabbing at things.
Keeping your posts simplistic to a T isn't a logical way to get your point across and fully understood. Thats called sumarizing. As for 300-paragraph long rants? You seem to be forgetting that I'm addressing all your statements and then including my own. The length is not important if it is well detailed and explained with logical reasoning. Not singleminded basic opinion followed by pure ignorance.

See, what you obviously fail to understand is that I'm not writing just because of my own personal opinion of what you're writing. It's that main fact that you don't take into account other peoples situation or well-being. Or simply don't care. You parade on about how you have no issue with it and leave it as the end all be all. When that is not the case. You're claiming that I'm not taking into account people who aren't having issues. Why the hell would I? You're not having a problem. And this is a petition for those or ARE HAVING A PROBLEM. Maybe you missed that on the way in? If you're not having any issues with it then it makes no difference to you if this is changed or not. Now does it? I mean, either way you have no quarms with it, right? So why not support us in wanting at least the option to turn what annoys us or strickens us with pain? What is the harm in that? I would honestly like to know your opinion on why a change in this skill is so bad? And I am not trying to turn this into an argument or even a debate. But when you're constantly challenging a very simple thing it starts to become an argument. It isn't a matter of being childish and not wanting to hear the other side. It's just that, we don't need to hear them. If you don't want it changed and don't have a problem with it. Don't post. Again, this is for people who do. So that means, not you.

" I gave you plenty reasons on what could be the issue". What do you mean plenty of reasons? I've seen very little of your posts and the only thing that even remotely comes out as a possible reasons is this: "Those of you who are experiencing eye pains either have the brightness
on the monitor jacked-up, are playing hour after hour with the mode on,
are sitting way too close to the monitor.....or all three. One match, give your eyes some rest. Go back to it later. Common sense.
"

Which I've already addressed as NOT a solution but merely a temporary fix. And that isn't even true. The brightness on the monitor could be at the default setting. The problem can still be visually there. Thus not a solution. The amount of play time is also irrelevant because for some people it only takes 20 minutes or more. Some times less. Thus, again. Not a solution. And sitting way too close to the monitor? What? This one hardly even applies to all gamers. Only PC ones. Unless you believe the ones playing on console are sitting too close. Which doesn't explain why people can't see objective markers and other little details like that. Thus finally, not a solution.

My weekend isn't stressed. And I shall have a wonderful one. I merely say these things to support those who are having issues. I, myself have very little problems with it. Which I have already voiced in comments before.

And as a response to your trollish P.S. It's MY Choice. :happy: You like quoting that, right?

Modifié par chuckytheman, 26 avril 2012 - 02:36 .

[astheoceansblue]

Offender_Mullet wrote...p.s. Real playa playas don't need special modes on to be good anyway. Just sayin'.

lol...

..oh, really?

[Xaijin]

Midnight Voyager wrote...

Eivind91sa wrote...

It's simply a contrast issue. Tone down the colours of the stuff, and it'll be good.

For the billionth time, this is entirely not the problem at all. From someone who has problems with it, it's not "simply" anything. It's the "3D Without 3D Glasses" double-vision, the blurring, the brightness, the giant symbols, it is all of it put together. The double-vision and blurring are the worst.

This is why adjusting contrast and brightness will never ever fix this problem at all. Because it's a miniscule fraction of the problem.

[Acyl]

I just unlocked the Geth Engineer and Geth Infiltrator today. Until today, I didn't know what people were complaining about. I was all...c'mon, it can't possibly be worse than Adrenaline Rush, Rage, and all that stuff, right? Wrong. Not only is it worse, it's on for most of the match.

And as other posters in this thread have stated, all the blue crap on the screen makes it hard to see objective marker arrows and even your own damn targeting reticle. It's just way, way too much. I can applaud Bioware's art department for their work, but this is just too much. It's just not practical.

[idunhavaname]

Second this. I just recently played Geth Engi with hunter mode and had to stop playing after the match.

[ElementL09]

To me, (my vision isn't the best, as I do were glasses) Hunter mode isn't that bad, but I do have a hard time spotting or figuring out were the objective is.

[-Morbid-]

After using it for a few minutes my eyes sorta get used to it, but then later when I shut it off I get this sweeping feeling of relief.

I can't play with it for much more than 1 match a time though, one night I tried for about 5 matches and I felt a headache coming on, so I stopped playing alltogether for the night.

Modifié par -Morbid-, 26 avril 2012 - 09:58 .

[BellaStrega]

Earlier in the thread, I said it wasn't really bothering me, but at this point I think I have a two-match limit before things get really frustrating. The saving grace for me out of the soup of visual effects is that enemies are colored red and I have memorized most firebase layouts.

Someone from Bioware did say a week or so ago that they were aware of the thread. So while no comment is forthcoming, I hope that they do something when it comes time to patch.

[NOO3TASTIC]

Bumping till we get a toggle off option for these not good for eye eye candy effects...

[dnalevel3]

Sometimes I just don't understand what goes on at headquarters. Big problem, easy fix and yet weeks of nothing...

[haxney]

I think a lot of the community including me thinks that hunter mode effects really hurt the eyes.

"Hunter Mode?" I don't think I've heard of this "Hunter Mode."

Oh, you mean Brain **** Mode? Well why didn't you say so?

[RaptorSolutions]

I think it hilarious that Hunter Mode which is supposed to give you superior situational awareness makes it near impossible to track down the objective marker.

[rrob]

Yes! Change it please. As it is now, Hunter Mode should be called Migraine Mode. Or "I sneezed into my diving mask" Mode.

[PurpleLightning]

I personally get headaches in HM. here's to hoping something is done asap