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[IpodsMakeGraves]

Im completely ok with it but my plasma tv just hates it. I love using hunter mode but every time i use it i got to remove the retention it leaves on my screen with a movie.

[jrm_ayun]

/signed

[megawug]

I think only a medical certificate submitted to BW will warrant them to reconsider. Opinions will not sway entrenched positions at this point.

[Yajuu Omoi]

Xaijin wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Here's an answer to the "console exclisive problem" I am a console player, I do not suffer from these HM induced headaches, but I understand where people might be coming from. The simple solution is to, as you said, use the controls we DO have to change the effects we recieve, turn down the brightness on the screen.

Back when people first started complaining about this I wondered what they were so worked up about, so I turned the brightness on my screen up till it became annoying, I was only at about 50% at that point, so, if people are running their screen at 100% brightness...it would cause some major issues with their eyesight, not only in short term but in long term.

So, in conclusion...turn the brightness down, and you won't have an issue.

Turning down the brightness does nothing to the postprocessing which causes the eyestrain and migraines.

The postpro has nothing to do with how bright a screen is.
It is RELATED to the blur effect and/or "3D" effect a video may have. But they are not he same.

People complaint about HM being too bright and it causing headaches.

If the motion blur and "3D" effect are causing headaches, all they need to back up and take their noses off the screen, otherwise there is nothing anyone can really do.

Postpro is a PROCESS, not an effect.

Modifié par Yajuu Omoi, 04 octobre 2012 - 05:35 .

[JaimasOfRaxis]

The postprocessing is responsible for the gaussian blur, which is what causes the motion effect that causes the eye strain. The garish HUD atop this is simply gravy. The combination of the two exacerbates it, but the former is the main culprit.

This is not complicated, goodly Yajuu.

[Yajuu Omoi]

Ironically...here's an example OF postpro...look at my pic here on the forum.

It is a simple 50pt Gaussian Blur combined with a lighting effect. And even better, its pulses.
Does it give you a headache? or even slightly bother your eyes?

[Blind2Society]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Ironically...here's an example OF postpro...look at my pic here on the forum.

It is a simple 50pt Gaussian Blur combined with a lighting effect. And even better, its pulses.
Does it give you a headache? or even slightly bother your eyes?

It could if one was trying to focus on something behind it for any amount of time.

[WickedTruth 823]

/Signed...

Turning the brightness down will only make the GI/GE playable for about 2-3 matches thats with a -3 brightness... still causes eye issues... ive gone so far as to always have visine next to my console... something must be done about this... Devastator mode does it as well only noticeable when really tired tho...

btw i sit pretty far from my screen so your whole idea of "get your nose off the screen" is just you being a complete dick and having no other ideas for a solution... so STFU...

[MichaelFinnegan]

RecoonHoodie wrote...

I think a lot of the community including me thinks that hunter mode effects really hurt the eyes . If you agree just post a answer, and I hope BioWare will spot this and fix it. 

And some post that is kind of a warning

ScotimusPrime wrote...

Omicronceti wrote...

It's not even that bad. People will complain about anything...

if this does not give you any pain, then keep using it. for those like me that get massive headaches in less than 30 seconds when we turn it on, however, it is a problem. we are not complaining just to hear ourselves whine, it is an actual physical pain. when I unlocked my geth, after using him for one game, I had a throbbing migraine that was unbearable. 3 advil and 2 hours later, the pain stopped. a video game screen should not do this to a non-epileptic player. so yes, for some of us, it really is that bad. 

 

If you people dont have problems just dont post.But reading the full thread shows that the Hunter Mode is giving headache a lot of people.

Strangely I've had more problems with an N7:Destroyer Devastator mode screen, especially in Vancouver. For some time I just couldn't make out where the enemies were. I also have a slight pain in my eyes when that mode is turned on, but I've got used to it now. What I did to alleviate that problem is to use a gray color on the Destroyer instead of the blue color I was initially using. Somehow lighter shades seem to help out.

With regard to the hunter mode, the problem I usually have is to recognize where the objective markers are. Otherwise, I had got used to it. I don't  play a GI or GE at all nowadays, though.

In general though, I find all those "decorations" on the screen (either in Devastator mode or Hunter mode) kind of silly and pointless, which is by the way besides the point.

[jordie3000]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Ironically...here's an example OF postpro...look at my pic here on the forum.

It is a simple 50pt Gaussian Blur combined with a lighting effect. And even better, its pulses.
Does it give you a headache? or even slightly bother your eyes?

It is kind of bothersome. If I were really bored I'd set it as a tiled desktop and see how long I could take it (I'm guessing not very). 

I mean, it's a nice gif and all, but I can totally see (ha) where the people who suffer from HM are coming from. I just get annoyed with it, I'd hate to get headaches from it. 

[Lord Rosario]

Seriously? This isn't even planned to be fixed at all?

People do not get migraines from brightness levels, they get it from trying to look through what looks like a lens with pulsing laser etching that you have to stare through for half an hour at a time...

Guess I stick to my Geth Engineer that has no Hunter mode permanently. >.<

Edit: Ok, people do get migraines from brightness levels, but that isn't why I get them from hunter mode at least.

Modifié par Lord Rosario, 04 octobre 2012 - 09:23 .

[Yajuu Omoi]

jordie3000 wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Ironically...here's an example OF postpro...look at my pic here on the forum.

It is a simple 50pt Gaussian Blur combined with a lighting effect. And even better, its pulses.
Does it give you a headache? or even slightly bother your eyes?

It is kind of bothersome. If I were really bored I'd set it as a tiled desktop and see how long I could take it (I'm guessing not very). 

I mean, it's a nice gif and all, but I can totally see (ha) where the people who suffer from HM are coming from. I just get annoyed with it, I'd hate to get headaches from it. 

And thus I have said I can understand where they are coming from. The solutions are simple.

Too bright? Turn down the Brightness
Too Blurry? Turn up the Sharpness
Too "flashy? Get less lag.

Modifié par Yajuu Omoi, 04 octobre 2012 - 09:46 .

[78stonewobble]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

And thus I have said I can understand where they are coming from. The solutions are simple.

Too bright? Turn down the Brightness
Too Blurry? Turn up the Sharpness
Too "flashy? Get less lag.

Even simpler... Bioware fixes it. For everyone...

[iDevour]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Ironically...here's an example OF postpro...look at my pic here on the forum.

It is a simple 50pt Gaussian Blur combined with a lighting effect. And even better, its pulses.
Does it give you a headache? or even slightly bother your eyes?

No it doesn't. Not even in the slightest.

[Yajuu Omoi]

78stonewobble wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

And thus I have said I can understand where they are coming from. The solutions are simple.

Too bright? Turn down the Brightness
Too Blurry? Turn up the Sharpness
Too "flashy? Get less lag.

Even simpler... Bioware fixes it. For everyone...

Actually thats more complicated...you COULD just do something for yourself for once and stop expecting to be catered to...just saying.

[noxpanda]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

78stonewobble wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

And thus I have said I can understand where they are coming from. The solutions are simple.

Too bright? Turn down the Brightness
Too Blurry? Turn up the Sharpness
Too "flashy? Get less lag.

Even simpler... Bioware fixes it. For everyone...

Actually thats more complicated...you COULD just do something for yourself for once and stop expecting to be catered to...just saying.

I think most people here dont want bioware to turn the effects off for everyone, just to have an option in the menus so they can turn it off for themselves. Thats not too much to ask is it?

[Dokteur Kill]

Chris Priestly wrote...

This issue is not planned be patched, which is why it is not addressed in upcoming patch 1.04.

If the Geth Hunter mode is not to your liking you can change the brightness in game or on your monitor/TV or you can choose to play another class.

Well that's a disappointing response.<_<

Hunter mode and krogan rage visual effect are really in need of a rework, and I honestly can't see how it can be that much work since they're only post-processing effects.

[RecoonHoodie]

JaimasOfRaxis wrote...

DarkseidXIII wrote...

Wow! This thread proves people will complain about anything. The ability is fine, its not handicapped, you are.

There's really no polite way to put this.....

You're wrong.

The brightness and motion blur of Hunter Mode screws with the eyes in much the same way prolonged use of anaglyph 3D glasses or playing a Virtual Boy, or using a 3DS. The human eye is not intended to stare directly at that sort of nonsense for a protracted period. If I had eye troubles, I would not be in the slightest bit surprised if using Hunter Mode made them worse.

To give a good example of this, let me give a story dating back to the early days of the tubernets.

A long time ago, a friend of mine sent me a ROM hack of Mario Brothers 2 called "Disco Mario" After running the ROM, this was the nonsense that greeted me:



The entire sky backdrop of every goddamned stage was like this. I tried playing through it anyway, and I had to stop because.... Well, fricking look at it. Could you play for a protracted period with that nonsense going on? If you're like most people, then the answer is a resounding "no."

No one is asking to remove the Hunter Mode HUD entirely. What people are asking is that they tone down the brightness slightly, which shouldn't be a tall order. This should not be hard to fix, especially since the PC players already have the ability to remove the filter entirely via mods. Surely, toning down the blaringly bright colors should not be controversial.

Shame on the devs for taking the "not our problem" approach on this one. That's really not a good thing to tell a sizable shred of your playerbase who won't use the Geth classes because ti makes them dizzy or provokes migraines. Playing a game shouldn't involve causing physical goddamned pain.

And double shame on the people on BSN who apply blame on people who take offense at the problems brought about by hunter mode, and revealing themselves to be callous jackanapes. There is right and wrong on this issue, and those who are saying "STFU it's not a problem" are, unequivocally, and irrefutably wrong.

[Rifneno]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

78stonewobble wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

And thus I have said I can understand where they are coming from. The solutions are simple.

Too bright? Turn down the Brightness
Too Blurry? Turn up the Sharpness
Too "flashy? Get less lag.

Even simpler... Bioware fixes it. For everyone...

Actually thats more complicated...you COULD just do something for yourself for once and stop expecting to be catered to...just saying.

JFC.  Do we need to put it in the form of anime for you to comprehend the issue isn't as simple as fiddling with some settings for everyone?  Better idea, how about you just SHUT UP.

[ParatrooperSean]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

78stonewobble wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

And thus I have said I can understand where they are coming from. The solutions are simple.

Too bright? Turn down the Brightness
Too Blurry? Turn up the Sharpness
Too "flashy? Get less lag.

Even simpler... Bioware fixes it. For everyone...

Actually thats more complicated...you COULD just do something for yourself for once and stop expecting to be catered to...just saying.

Customers expecting to be catered to? That's crazy talk! 

The visual effects on Hunter Mode are very unpopular for a number of reasons, and most of them aren't just quick fixes. And even if they were it's unreasonable to tell people to make adjustments on their computer/television settings every time they turn HM on and off.

Modifié par ParatrooperSean, 04 octobre 2012 - 12:05 .

[Kaall]

Chris Priestly wrote...

This issue is not planned be patched, which is why it is not addressed in upcoming patch 1.04.

If the Geth Hunter mode is not to your liking you can change the brightness in game or on your monitor/TV or you can choose to play another class.

It is not that hunter mode is not to our liking, it is that it provoke headaches in less than 5 minutes, we would like to be able to play with it without geting sick, and after 6 month of petition and 52 page the only thing you are answering is if it is not to our liking we can play another class.

What you said was exactly the same as saying : i dismiss your claim of being sick and i consider it is just a question of taste, and we don't care one bit.

This is what you just answered the community.

That is the second biggest insult to the player community i've ever heard up till now.

(the fisrt biggest were the answer about the end of the game)

[78stonewobble]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

78stonewobble wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

And thus I have said I can understand where they are coming from. The solutions are simple.

Too bright? Turn down the Brightness
Too Blurry? Turn up the Sharpness
Too "flashy? Get less lag.

Even simpler... Bioware fixes it. For everyone...

Actually thats more complicated...you COULD just do something for yourself for once and stop expecting to be catered to...just saying.

Yes... but the point is that it's a poor design if xyz amount of people have to go change their settings, which work fine in a majority of the same game. Or general screen settings which work fine with most other games and applications.  

It's totally cool with a brightness setting. If I have a very dark or very bright screen I can change it ONCE and it will work through out the entire game.

That I have to set it specifically for minor portions of the game is... Bad design of that part of the game.

EDIT and PS: Actually I do like the visual design of huntermode but that does not outweigh the detractions.

Modifié par 78stonewobble, 04 octobre 2012 - 12:32 .

[Rotacioskapa]

I like the geth hunter mode visual effect and it's not an "issue" hence it doesn't need a fix. If you don't like it then don't use it or turn down your brightness as suggested above.

[78stonewobble]

Rotacioskapa wrote...

I like the geth hunter mode visual effect and it's not an "issue" hence it doesn't need a fix. If you don't like it then don't use it or turn down your brightness as suggested above.

Well you are offcourse entirely wrong. Because MY subjective oppinion and point of view is fact.

And if it was changed YOU could stop using it.

[Yajuu Omoi]

Rifneno wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

78stonewobble wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

And thus I have said I can understand where they are coming from. The solutions are simple.

Too bright? Turn down the Brightness
Too Blurry? Turn up the Sharpness
Too "flashy? Get less lag.

Even simpler... Bioware fixes it. For everyone...

Actually thats more complicated...you COULD just do something for yourself for once and stop expecting to be catered to...just saying.

JFC.  Do we need to put it in the form of anime for you to comprehend the issue isn't as simple as fiddling with some settings for everyone?  Better idea, how about you just SHUT UP.

What the heck does anime have to do with ANY of this?

The simple fix is for people to grow up, and wise up.

If something is "too bright" make it less bright.
If something is "too blurry" sharpen it up.
If your connection is bad causing game effects to lag, get a better connection.

End of issues. You don't like the fact that someone actually solved the issue you enjoy crying about so much with simple logic? Too bad.

Grow up. Wise up. And go away.