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My EPIC theory of a major Dragon Age : Origins expansion pack


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Tonya777

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I have compiled a storyline and game features of the way I think a massive DA:O expansion should be , please read it and tell me what you think.

The 2nd post is a summarized into 3 lines version of this , if you don't want to read alot

Once you end the blight some of the companions go their own seperate ways , some stay with you , Morrigan runs away in attempts to never be found again with her controversial baby

Theory of party members

My theory is that in a major expansion they will let the story resume from post blight , the companions who stayed with you will still be with you , where as the ones who went their own way will still exist but will no longer be party members

Some examples :
1.Allistar will no longer be a party member , but instead you could find him in NPC form as the king of Ferelden in the royal palace. To make up for this the storyline in the future expansion will either A.Have a brand new tank character come into play OR B.Allistar will come off of his throne to resume his Grey Warden duties when the next blight comes (This obviously provided that you made Alistar king)
2.Suppose you had your character fall in love with Lelianna , she will still be with you as a party member going into the new expansion
3.Suppose you had your character sacrifice their own life , well I'm just going to say that in this event you may be allowed to start a new character that will join the wardens as a new origin that will start at whatever level your character died at

You will meet new companions in your new adventures

Theory of story
Morrigan had the child with the soul of the arch demon , she raised it and then pulled a Flemeth on it ... taking over its body and now Morrigan has power beyond all reason. Morrigan abuses this power and becomes an insanely powerful entitiy who decides she wants to take over all of Thedas. She begins her push to take over the world and this sets the stage for your character to return to action.

Your character and remaining companions then go to do battle with her right then and there at lvl 20-25 whatever level you were from beating the game in the 1st place. You lose , there is NO way to beat her at this point she is LITERALLY a level 60ish mob that is undefeatable at this point , she makes quick work of your party.

Then you wake up... GUESS WHERE?! FLEMETHS HUT! Thats right! Flemeth took over someone besides Morrigan after you slayed her , now Flemeth joins your party (But shes in a new young woman body instead of being an old hag) you , Flemeth , and whoever is left of your party venture forth into all nations of Thedas to gather an army to defeat Morrigan , because Morrigan IS the arch demon now but (Physically is still Morrigan appearance wise but can shapeshift and is powerful beyond beleif) and she must be stopped

Theory of levels , talents , skills and related

Levels : Cap obviously increased , by how much? That would depend on the scale of the expansion. I'm going to say 40 or 45 , maybe even 50

Talents
: To go with the new level cap new talents and skills would be implemented , where as there are 4 rows of talents per section right now there would now become a more fitting number of rows per section.
For instance the dual wield row would be expanded downward , with several new rows of 4 talents to learn , this would apply to all segments. The class specific ones , the school of magic specific ones , and weapon specific ones would all be expanded.

Specialization : What I just said about the talents would apply to specialization lines as well , for instance since Flemeth has now joined your party Shapeshifters abilities would include dragon form , giant bird form , and 2 more forms. All specializations would receive 4 new talents that span all the way almost up to the new level cap as a requirement

Skills
: New skills could be added , because if the game did go up to lvl 40 or 45 eventually a Rogue would cover every single skill there is. With that said theres a possibility of new skills , what though? Perhaps blacksmithing , woodworking , weaving , and/or tanning. You would now be able to craft your own armor and enchant it with stats you pick yourself based on the ingredients you use.

Equipment
: With the level cap raised the equipment tier cap will increase as well , equipment tiers will be increased depending on how high the level cap is increased there would now be at least tier 8 equipment , though more likely up to Tier 10

New Origins
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Qunari
: You could now play as a Qunari if you choose to , starting in their homeland and your story would be identical to Stens , you would join the Grey Wardens when Duncan comes through Lothering and releases you from the cage to take you as a grey warden recruit

Rebirth
: If your character sacrificed their life in the final battle when you take your character and attempt to travel to the new lands with it you would be prompted with the character creation screen. You could then pick any race and class and have a whole 2nd origin for that race/class combination and they would start at whatever level your character died at

Modifié par Tonya777, 05 décembre 2009 - 06:23 .


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For anyone that doesn't want to read that much this is a much shorter summary



1.Morrigan IS the archdemon now

2.Level cap now lvl 50 with appropriate new abilities and equipment to match

3.No longer limited to Ferelden , entire world is incorporated now

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Hm, I have this crazy feeling that if we get an expansion, it'll be a big extra mission to the current story. Perhaps some other allies to use in the last battle. Because if they are to create an expansion pack to continue from where the story ended, they'll have to consider all the possible endings, and how they'll affect the game. Seems like alot of work :P ... and what if your character died?

Modifié par Majspuffen, 05 décembre 2009 - 06:28 .


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Well I said I figure if your character died then they let you make a new one and have you play through a second origin where that character starts at the level your old character died at and then you become a warden as that character

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Well, there are still too many flaws with the whole idea. If they were to do it, it would probably be too big to be called an expansion. You can deny Morrigan her godly baby you know, what happens to the story then? 25 more levels in an expansion is ridiculous, I'd say 5, or 10 max... and no longer limited to ferelden? Every other nation in thedas is bigger than ferelden. Sorry, I don't think this epic idea of yours will ever become an expansion.

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Maybe Dragon Age 2?



I don't understand what you're saying about denying Morrigan her Godly baby? She IS the thing. you know how Flemeths grimoire explains how Flemeth takes over the bodies of her daughters so that she can be immortal? Thing is that Morrigan obviously only wanted that kid for that sole purpose , so she could take over its body and become a God herself.



As for everywhere in Thedas being bigger than Ferelden , wel they could simply have it revolve around each nations capital and some surrounding areas , its not like every crum of Ferelden is covered by the map they give us theres all sorts of wasted space

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I dunno dude, just seems way too soon to be setting ourselves up for disappointment.



Your ideas aren't bad, it just way too soon. Lets wait and see how they handle ME2.

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Mass effect 2 and their futuristic settings can go to hell! Swords & Magic FTW!

Modifié par Tonya777, 05 décembre 2009 - 07:01 .


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Okay but who's making both those games? That's right. ME2 will be a small/big "tell".

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Wouldn't your character be alive if Morrigan had the baby since in order for her to get the baby you have to make the deal?

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Explain that to me? What does Mass effect 2 really have to do with the future of DAs plot?

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What makes you assume Morrigan wants the child for her own self-aggrandizement? I don't think we have enough information to make that decision. Things in Thedas seem a bit more complex than that, I'd say.

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Bioware is making both these games, the effort they put into both series will in a small/big part reflect on their part the extent they wish to "exert" themselves in the development process of either game.



This is my opinion, it is not a fact in any shape or form. Take it for what it's worth.

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I won't quote  that a long post.
First i doubt Morrigan will end up has some Power hungry old god that want to control Thedas.She was certaintly not this type of person .. She's all about survival and power but from what i have seen from her.She have  no desire to conquest anything.The only thing she conquered it's the Warden heart if you romance her.

I found some of your idea quite good ..

Finnally i doubt another blight might happens  right after this blight was defeated.There's not a blight each week in Thedas.There's more than just blight in Thedas.There's plenty of other quest or problem that Bioware could come up with involving your hero and Moriggan could be a part of it.

Flemeth's an abomination . .She won't help you.Maybe you could learn some trick from her.If you're a mage she could appears and give  you a book so you can learn some cool spell .. Like morphing into an Ancient Dragon if you're a mage.

Personnaly i think .. love her or not.Morrigan ain't evil and she ain't  trying to destroy the world.. if you talk to her about mage in general and the darkspawn.She has absolutly no evil intention.She even think that blood mage need to be controlled ..Because they're dangerous .

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Driveninhifi wrote...

What makes you assume Morrigan wants the child for her own self-aggrandizement? I don't think we have enough information to make that decision. Things in Thedas seem a bit more complex than that, I'd say.


Yeah some people see her has evil because she's pragmatic. .. She's just pragmatic .. not evil.

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Well then how do you explain this?



1.Morrigan learned of Flemeths magic to take over ones own childs body

2.Morrigan just up and wants to have a child with the soul of a God



What other reason is there for her to want that kid? Although I will say this too , if you never give her the grimoire and never go to Flemeth she still offers the ritual and still wants a kid , if you turn it down she still has a kid (Makes no sense whos the daddy?)



It is possible she just wants to have a kid really badly , but then why the whole "Even though I love you , I want to raise this child 100% solo and never see you again" thing?



I'm convinced she must want it that way so she can spend the childs life teaching it magic and making it the perfect vessel for her to take over without you getting onto her after you realize whats going on

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Tonya777 wrote...

1.Morrigan IS the archdemon now


Sten: No.

I'm too lazy to write a long post explaining why, but this would be very lame. Morrigan has so much potential and this would be a shallow and unoriginal continuation of the story.

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Tonya777 wrote...

Well then how do you explain this?

1.Morrigan learned of Flemeths magic to take over ones own childs body

No. This is what's called 'speculation' although this particular instance seems closer to pure guesswork. You don't know this is her reason for having the child.

2.Morrigan just up and wants to have a child with the soul of a God

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...and? Are you going to finish this thought?

What other reason is there for her to want that kid? Although I will say this too , if you never give her the grimoire and never go to Flemeth she still offers the ritual and still wants a kid , if you turn it down she still has a kid (Makes no sense whos the daddy?)

It is possible she just wants to have a kid really badly , but then why the whole "Even though I love you , I want to raise this child 100% solo and never see you again" thing?

I'm convinced she must want it that way so she can spend the childs life teaching it magic and making it the perfect vessel for her to take over without you getting onto her after you realize whats going on


The rest of this is just...not trying to be a dick, but I think you need to maybe slow down through some of the dialogue. Or...I dunno. Maybe stop tossing random ideas to see which stick.

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I'm convinced she must want it that way so she can spend the childs life teaching it magic and making it the perfect vessel for her to take over without you getting onto her after you realize whats going on




This isn't entirely impossible, the plot may go in that direction. However she wouldn't be an archdemon unless she's corrupted by darkspawn.



There's no way that the first expansion, or even DA2 for that matter, would cover the entire world of Thedas. They designed a world that big so that it would take several games to explore. There's good reason to think the next game is based in Orlais, not only because of Arl Foreshadow but if you refuse Morrigan the baby and she leaves without sleeping with anyone then her epilogue says that "someone matching her description" manages to establish themselves within the Empress of Orlais' court (or something to that effect anyway)

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Tonya777 wrote...

What other reason is there for her to want that kid? Although I will say this too , if you never give her the grimoire and never go to Flemeth she still offers the ritual and still wants a kid , if you turn it down she still has a kid (Makes no sense whos the daddy?)

It is possible she just wants to have a kid really badly , but then why the whole "Even though I love you , I want to raise this child 100% solo and never see you again" thing?

I'm convinced she must want it that way so she can spend the childs life teaching it magic and making it the perfect vessel for her to take over without you getting onto her after you realize whats going on


An interesting hypothesis, but in the end it's just that. A hypothesis. A guess.

Morrigan makes it clear that she respects power, and even more than power, she respects those who live with 'dignity'. She doesn't value the life of a human any more than the life of an animal, that is rather clear. However, she does protect 'creatures' she believes are dignified (Sten, for example).

Her fascination with the Old God seems to come more from her view that a being of such power and grace should not perish from the world. I'd considered your idea, that she simply desired the child for a new body, but I don't necessarily believe that is true. Furthermore, she wishes to raise her child alone because she loaths Fereldan society. The PC is a Grey Warden, and is irrevocably bound to the populace, for better or worse. She wishes to raise the Old God "to respect it's history, and it's past", is I believe the gist of what she said.

Furthermore, I don't believe that Flemeth's methods of body possesstion are magic. Instead, I believe they are related to the demon she holds within herself. I beleive the demon/spirit and her are bound together at the soul, with the demon perhaps having a bit more sway. The ability to possess others is an ability that all demons possess, but one only Flemeth manages to make a spell for? Doubtful.

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That... isn't doing Morrigan justice at all as a character. She is actually a bit more complex than "Lulz, I be New Flemeth Nao!!!"



Dinlek has the right idea, Morrigan actually wants to preserve what deserves to be preserved. Besides, it has the soul of an old god. It isn't some haughty daughter waiting to be filled. It is a GOD. As it is, they stated that an old god soul tends to do a double negate on going duo in a body. So if she tried to possess it, she and it would die, just like a Grey Warden.



Not even Flemeth would get to cheat an old god soul.

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DeathWyrmNexus wrote...

Not even Flemeth would get to cheat an old god soul.



Which brings an interesting possibility to mind.

Morrigan is very focused on "I will find Flemeth and kill her again if I have to." It makes me wonder if she sees this child with an Old God's soul as some kind of insurance or eventual protection against Flemeth. I'm not sure HOW, but... Morrigan seems to always be one or ten step ahead.

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Ok , well then what if the kid grows up and just somehow turns corrupt and then the kid becomes the problem without Morrigan herself being the kid?

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Dinlek wrote...
An interesting hypothesis, but in the end it's just that. A hypothesis. A guess.


I wouldn't call it interesting even. Reverting her to another Flemeth is plain boring.

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Main character doesn't die if ritual isn't performed so if sequel is based on that we'd assume that the PC didn't die. Archdemon is corrupted by darkspawn she just got the old god in an uncorrupted state. I'd be more willing to believe we have to play as her child than anything. I still don't even understand why a sequel would be based off it since again it's entirely possible to thwart her plan to begin with, ah plot holes.