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[Nickle]

Probably top tier class, with sal engi and novaguard..

[Totally_Mad_Rat]

Jackumzz wrote...

Totally_Mad_Rat wrote...

HAHAHA

www.talknaruto.com/naruto/showthread.php

Here's one of them. Dreamer? Boot?

No, 5 seconds in Google.

[GGW KillerTiger]

 No charachter is garbage unless you can't figure out how it fits your play style then the player him/herself presumes the class/charachter is garbage or over powered and sometimes even both. This doubles for weapons as well.

[DarkKindness]

Totally_Mad_Rat wrote...

HAHAHA

www.talknaruto.com/naruto/showthread.php

That was painful to read.  A couple of thoughts come to mind - isn't this game rated M?  If so, why are twelve-year-olds playing it, or, why haven't these adults manage to learn English?

Second thought is that they're obviously not playing Gold.  As mentioned, Energy Drain or the Geth Engineer's turret combined with shield gating essentially makes you invulnerable every couple of seconds, which can't be understated.  In addition, the SI's ability to strip shields before they take their shot is incredibly powerful - it lets them avoid the negatives of the shield gate mechanic while simultaneously taking full advantage of the positives.

 The Quarian Infiltrator that they're touting lacks any abilites that are useful for non-Geth enemies, and Sabotage is only marginally useful for Geth as your teammates are perfectly likely to shoot down your Sabotaged target.  The Human Infiltrator brings... Cryo Blast, which is only useful for its damage boost and needs Bonus Power to be effective at all due to its travel time, which sacrifices 40% Sniper Rifle Damage on Tac Cloak, rendering it... useless.  Cryo Blast has the added deficit of doing no damage, compared to Energy Drain which does.  Human Infiltrators CAN be decent with a shotgun build, but they definitely don't outclass the SI with a sniper rifle.

[KainD]

Hey, show them this video:

=)

[SpiffyNova]

I absolutely love the Salarian Infiltrator. It has pretty much been the only character I have played since I got it.  I have heard people on microphones laughing at my Salarian, who only carries one weapon, and have even heard a couple of people saying they would not revive me when I inevitably died. They were not laughing when I was in first with 20,000 more points and had revived them at least a few times.  And I don't even think I am that good compared to other people who play.

Nothing makes you feel more like a boss then realizing you are the last one alive on wave 10 and half of the objectives still need to be killed/activated/deactivated.

And Energy Drain being 'garbage' is crap. I put Energy Drain right above breathing on my 'Things to do to stay alive' list.  With damage bonuses from cloak and Energy Drain, I can one-shot just about everything but bosses with a Mantis X on silver. And with my Black Widow I got last night, I am a head-hunting menace.

Anyone who says the Salarian Infiltrator is garbage has not seen a skilled one in action.

Modifié par SpiffyNova, 11 avril 2012 - 05:52 .

[Brettic]

If you don't understand how godly energy drain is, then you are doing it wrong.

[Human_dirty]

cloacked ED followed by cloacked widow round means most every shielded enemy in game on gold is going to die.Plus ED heals shields! how could that be bad! lol clearly the best infil. in the game unless the geth is better idk dont have him yet

[RazRei]

You're people on the other forum are garbage.

Have them post up in this thread and reason why they think the Si is garbage. Nothing you quoted makes sense in why one of the strongest class in the game sucks.

[eldrjth]

NO. energy drain is good. very good against synthetics its also staggers enemies giving you an easy head shot. its the most reliable/effective infil class in pug match. but I suspect that the GI may overtake it in pure dmg potential in an organised group.

[DarkKindness]

Human_dirty wrote...

cloacked ED followed by cloacked widow round means most every shielded enemy in game on gold is going to die.Plus ED heals shields! how could that be bad! lol clearly the best infil. in the game unless the geth is better idk dont have him yet

Geth is comparable as a shotgun infiltrator because of the tons of extra damage and reduced cooldowns that they get, SI is hands-down better as a sniper infiltrator.

[screamin_jesus]

Jackumzz wrote...

I've been discussing classes for a while now, with two people from another forum. Basically just wanted to share some of the things they claim and get your opinion on said claims.


- "Energy Drain is garbage. As a result, Salarian Infiltrator is garbage."
- "The Salarian is not better than the Human or Quarian. The only real usefulness is the TC. Energy drain isn't as effective as you make it out to be.
- "Quarian > Salarian when it comes to infl. I can't believe you're even questioning this dude... I'm actually curious to play with you while using a SaLOLrian. Show me that scrub magic brah!"
- "I think any class upgraded to everything X can shred. except Jack's coveted salarian infiltrator LAWL"
- "no the geth engineer sucks."
- "salarian infiltrator is no different from any other infiltrator. energy drain sucks. and the geth engineer is garbage"

Etc, etc.

Those guys are just idiots. Energy drain is definitely a solid power, and I just unlocked the geth engineer and it owns. Overload is a solid all around power for stripping shields and crowd control, it has the awesome geth wallhack-mode, and the turret spec'd for shield regen is just great. One of the best support classes on gold IMO.

The geth engineer's heavy melee is just hilariously awesome vs phantom's too.

Modifié par screamin_jesus, 11 avril 2012 - 06:19 .

[Masa0112]

eldrjth wrote...

GI may overtake it in pure dmg potential in an organised group.

Gotta agree with this.

Tested it out a couple times last night and...

Salarian - Widow VII + Armor Peirce V + Extended Barrel V took off 5-6 armor bars off Geth primes.

Geth - Javelin II + Armor Peirce V + Extended Barrel V took off 8 armor bars off Geth primes.
(I use Javelin over Widow since the Geth gets a bonus to that weapon dmg)


Definitely stronger on large armored targets.  Only problem I see is on smaller enemies with sheilds there is no ability to strip off that first layer unless you use Black Widow.

Modifié par Masa0112, 11 avril 2012 - 06:15 .

[joker_jack]

Alot of people under estimate a maxed out proxy mine. Damn thing eats cannon fodder by the buckets. It also may just be me but it seems My SI does better with the regular widow. I can make head shot after shot with it and it seems to have a quicker reload time than the bw, at least for me.

[Masa0112]

joker_jack wrote...

Alot of people under estimate a maxed out proxy mine. Damn thing eats cannon fodder by the buckets. It also may just be me but it seems My SI does better with the regular widow. I can make head shot after shot with it and it seems to have a quicker reload time than the bw, at least for me.

Not just you, I also prefer using Widow on my SI.  Reload synergy with Cloak and ED just make it perfect for insta kills.

On other Infiltrators I would have to use the BW just for the extra shots to strip off barrer/shields since there is no ED.

[GameShark Mark]

Those guys don't know what they are talking about. SI is the best class in the game. If you play it right, you will never lose (even on Gold). Plus, you should score more points than anyone else on the team.

BTW, an upgraded claymore (w/ damage & accuracy mods) + SI destroys everything. If you don't believe me try it for yourself.

[urborg74]

They're trolls and not worth responding to. At best, they hate salarian infiltrator because it's popular and anything popular is obviously crap and for noobs. I suppose they think Drell Vanguard with a widow and revenant is awesomesauce.

[Felonious_Monk]

ED's ability to restore shield energy and give you 40% damage reduction is such a clear win that anyone who declares the salarian as "garbage" should not be taken seriously. Maybe in general, but definitely when it comes to ME3 MP.

[o Revan x]

SI is the best class imo, I play it with Widow V and its killing Brute in 2 hits and Prime in 4 hits.

[Wesus]

Obvious trolls are trolls.

These people must be playing SI as a krogan sentinel on bloody bronze if they say its bad

[Fiery Fury]

Jackumzz wrote...

I've been discussing classes for a while now, with two people from another forum. Basically just wanted to share some of the things they claim and get your opinion on said claims.


- "Energy Drain is garbage. As a result, Salarian Infiltrator is garbage."

 

Energy Drain is a life saver. The disadvantage of an infiltrator is that while cloaked, they can't regen sheilds. Energy Drain forgoes this, as well as damage enemies regardless of whether it's shields, armor, or health. It's also an instant-hit ability. It also has a stun effect, causing lesser enemies to fall to their knees.

joker_jack wrote...

Alot of people under estimate a maxed out proxy mine. Damn thing eats cannon fodder by the buckets. It also may just be me but it seems My SI does better with the regular widow. I can make head shot after shot with it and it seems to have a quicker reload time than the bw, at least for me.

 

... And then you have Proxy Mine... Pretty good damage imo.

Jackumzz wrote... 


- "The Salarian is not better than the Human or Quarian. The only real usefulness is the TC. Energy drain isn't as effective as you make it out to be.

HI have Cryo and Sticky Grenades. Cryo is only good if you lay down a heckload of fire or have someone else who is comboing with Incinerate. Sticky Grenades are limited in use each round, and become even more restrictive with each additional class that uses grenades.

QI have Sabotage and Sticky Grenades. Sabotage will do damage to organics carrying firearms, though it really shines against Geth and Atlases. While fighting Geth, you have the entire enemy force to convert (for lack of better term.) Against Atlases, you're only limited to maybe a few minutes of conversion, maybe a dozen seconds per Atlas, best case scenario? Regardless, the diminishing returns of Sabotage renders it mediocre against Cerberus, and I'd imagine it is rather weak against Reapers. Of course, I've never seen it used against Reapers, and rather limited against Cerberus, so correct me if I'm wrong.

Jackumzz wrote... 

- "Quarian > Salarian when it comes to infl. I can't believe you're even questioning this dude... I'm actually curious to play with you while using a SaLOLrian. Show me that scrub magic brah!"

An opinion with no actual argumentative basis. It basically only there to insult the other person for having a different opinion, like a lot of the things you see on the SP forums, on both sides of the aile. This is not to bring that discussion here.

Jackumzz wrote... 

- "I think any class upgraded to everything X can shred. except Jack's coveted salarian infiltrator LAWL"

Might be just experience, but on silver matches, I am mostly among the top two on leaderboard. I frequently play SI with a Vindicator X (wish I had a good auto ) and Preditor X (now Carnifex X). I also take on the task of medic and the 4 nodes, which is a potential handicap scorewise. When I am beaten to the top, it's usually by a sniper, many of which are also SI. The tactic is to strip enemy of shields or barrier, then go for a headshot.

Jackumzz wrote... 

- "no the geth engineer sucks."
- "salarian infiltrator is no different from any other infiltrator. energy drain sucks. and the geth engineer is garbage"

Etc, etc.

Can't say for the Geth, but a lot of people consider the SI to be one of the best, if not the best, and I find it very difficult to disagree, but it figure: I play a SI. Of course, I'm bias.

Energy Drain increases the SI's survivability and enable him to stay in the fight and continue fighting/sniping/whatever. Strip the enemy of their shields and barriers and add it to your own. You also have options of replenishing 100% of your shields, rather than the standard 50%, and having damage reduction for apx. 10 seconds. Other infiltrators do not have this ability, so they have to remain in cover or disengage, though their other abilities aren't useless.

Modifié par Fiery Fury, 11 avril 2012 - 06:22 .

[Shock n Awe]

SpiffyNova wrote...

I absolutely love the Salarian Infiltrator. It has pretty much been the only character I have played since I got it.  I have heard people on microphones laughing at my Salarian, who only carries one weapon, and have even heard a couple of people saying they would not revive me when I inevitably died. They were not laughing when I was in first with 20,000 more points and had revived them at least a few times.  And I don't even think I am that good compared to other people who play.

Nothing makes you feel more like a boss then realizing you are the last one alive on wave 10 and half of the objectives still need to be killed/activated/deactivated.

And Energy Drain being 'garbage' is crap. I put Energy Drain right above breathing on my 'Things to do to stay alive' list.  With damage bonuses from cloak and Energy Drain, I can one-shot just about everything but bosses with a Mantis X on silver. And with my Black Widow I got last night, I am a head-hunting menace.

Anyone who says the Salarian Infiltrator is garbage has not seen a skilled one in action.

Where are all these idiot players at?  I want them in my games, to show them up.  Silver feels like Bronze with a SI, and Bronze feels like nothing.  Gold is a bit of a challenge, but it's honestly the one mode where the SI shines to its fullest potential by negating shield gates on any non-boss enemies and retaining the ability to one-shot with TC.  

I feel like anyone bashing the SI simply can't be playing gold.

[Wynne]

mishundar wrote...

Whoever you're talking with were noobs and don't play gold. SI is probably the best gold class in the game. Unassisted kills/minute is just so much higher with the ability to strip shields with ED then 1 shot kill.

SI is also by far the most survivable Infiltrator, since ED restores shields and shield-gating prevents any spillover dmg from effecting health. 

Yup. Reading those quotes was hysterical for me. I couldn't stop giggling. 

Jack, you know what we know--that those guys are hilariously ignorant and arrogant. Thanks for sharing this for the lulz, though. 

Next thing you know, they'll be telling us that the human adept is better than all the others, and biotic explosions suck against the Reapers.