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[Konfined]

Artistic integrity- made for all on a scrap piece of paper, with lots of speculation for everyone. BioWare sold their artistic integrity to EA for stock options and prime parking spots at HQ. All of this "artistic integrity" BS is simply insult to intelligence.

[Traim Eisenblut]

@L00p: Don't worry, I have no regrets. I`m just sick of "pro-enders" throwing around wild accusations, trying to get personal and insulting others without any given reasons. If ppl think I`m a douche, fine, but at least discuss with argumentations and not unnecessary hostility.

[Dragoonlordz]

slyguy200 wrote...

Traim Eisenblut wrote...

@L00p: Don't worry, I have no regrets. I`m just sick of "pro-enders" throwing around wild accusations, trying to get personal and insulting others without any given reasons. If ppl think I`m a douche, fine, but at least discuss with argumentations and not unnecessary hostility.

I am sick of it as well, but i refuse to sink to their level.

Really? Because few days ago both me and L00p were suspended for being at that level and you got told off for being so too just to lesser degree. Point being neither you, me or L00p have the moral high ground on this issue so I would appreciate it if you  don't pretend your above it.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 11 avril 2012 - 11:12 .

[Dragoonlordz]

slyguy200 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

slyguy200 wrote...

Traim Eisenblut wrote...

@L00p: Don't worry, I have no regrets. I`m just sick of "pro-enders" throwing around wild accusations, trying to get personal and insulting others without any given reasons. If ppl think I`m a douche, fine, but at least discuss with argumentations and not unnecessary hostility.

I am sick of it as well, but i refuse to sink to their level.

Really? Because few days ago both me and L00p were suspended for being at that level and you got told off for being so too just to lesser degree. Point being neither you, me or L00p have the moral high ground on this issue so I would appreciate it if you  don't pretend your above it.

I wasn't banned though, i wasn't freaking out and carrying on. I never got told off either. L00p was only banned because he fed a troll.

Oh, straight to the insults eh?

[Dragoonlordz]

L00p wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

slyguy200 wrote...

Traim Eisenblut wrote...

@L00p: Don't worry, I have no regrets. I`m just sick of "pro-enders" throwing around wild accusations, trying to get personal and insulting others without any given reasons. If ppl think I`m a douche, fine, but at least discuss with argumentations and not unnecessary hostility.

I am sick of it as well, but i refuse to sink to their level.

Really? Because few days ago both me and L00p were suspended for being at that level and you got told off for being so too just to lesser degree. Point being neither you, me or L00p have the moral high ground on this issue so I would appreciate it if you  don't pretend your above it.

Don't you dare speak for me, Andy Hosking. Ever.
Is that perfectly clear?

First name wrong, it's Andrew thanks. Though amusing you went and turned stalker.

Google help you out did it? Since my user name is all over the net.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 11 avril 2012 - 11:20 .

[MrTijger]

L00p wrote...

Excactly.
And I sincerely believe these forums would be better banning the trolls instead of the people calling them out. But I digress.

Yes, you do keep bringing up the blessings of banning and democracy on forums. Thankfully your cries are not heeded by the Powers that Be

[Kanner]

Artistic Integrity - Dr Ray is bros with Mac Walters and will support him because that's what friends do.

I'm not really seeing it either, but we might as well argue about what the reality of the situation seems to be instead of trying to guess the weird redefinitions being used here. Bioware is *probably* not going to change their minds and invest millions of dollars in redoing the ending just because you can prove that artistic integrity has nothing to do with this.

[Dragoonlordz]

slyguy200 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

L00p wrote...

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Don't you dare speak for me, Andy Hosking. Ever.
Is that perfectly clear?

First name wrong, it's Andrew thanks. Though amusing you went and turned stalker.

Google help you out did it? Since my user name is all over the net.

Google works well, I doubt that qualifies as stalking, and don't mess with L00p your crap already got him banned.

Actually his crap did. They don't ban people for being nice.

But like said don't pretend your above it which is my point, especially when first thing you say in reply is name calling.

Anyhows given no more than 30 seconds into this thread you two have shown your true colours I think I'll leave it at that.

You proved my point, thanks.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 11 avril 2012 - 11:28 .

[MrTijger]

slyguy200 wrote...

Google works well, I doubt that qualifies as stalking, and don't mess with L00p your crap already got him banned.

So...let me get this straight, the one calling for bans for others, especially those he disagrees with, has himself been banned? Oh, how ironic, these things just light up my day....

I can see how well this 'rising above' is working

Modifié par MrTijger, 11 avril 2012 - 11:26 .

[The Razman]

Not this again.

It doesn't matter if you think it was bad writing. Artistic integrity applies to what the writer wrote, and is not subject to your opinion on what's good and what's bad.

People need to just get over it. Gamers have been fighting for artistic rights for games for decades, and now some idiots want to fight against artistic rights for games just because it suits their preferences. No.

[The Razman]

And what in the name of hell is going on in this thread anyway? What's with the troll-fest?

[MrTijger]

The Razman wrote...

Not this again.

It doesn't matter if you think it was bad writing. Artistic integrity applies to what the writer wrote, and is not subject to your opinion on what's good and what's bad.

People need to just get over it. Gamers have been fighting for artistic rights for games for decades, and now some idiots want to fight against artistic rights for games just because it suits their preferences. No.

This.

I'm now waiting with baited breath for the Retake Titanic movement, after all, an unsinkable ship sinks and the cute boy dies, what kind of lousy writing is that??? Rewrite I say!

Modifié par MrTijger, 11 avril 2012 - 11:30 .

[Dragoonlordz]

I'll leave this here taken from a thread with almost exact same title on the other section.

Dragoonlordz wrote...

cachx wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Not removing, cutting, changing or adding additional endings just cinematics and clarification.

Their product, their IP, their franchise, their creation.

/End of story.

This, pretty much.

The "artistic integrity" thing is just a mask for the problem of ownership. The spectator thinks he owns the work. He doesn't. That simple.

Spot on. I don't give two hoots about artistic integrity people keep relying on or developers. I don't see any need to soft coat what it really is and rightly is Biowares choice. Personally I think Bioware should just come out and explain it like the second sentence I put forth. They already stated the first sentence themselves.

If people don't like that then like I said, I have a box of tissues for them if require any but either way if they are adults then facing this reality should be bareable/understandable. As it stands now because Bioware is trying to not hurt their feelings and spare them with softly softly approach of which I am not, since I am a customer just like everyone else not a developer. I instead just state it how it is (without sugar coating it) and should be (imho).

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 11 avril 2012 - 11:40 .

[Canned Bullets]

slyguy200 wrote...

^
Nah, they should change it.

Yeah, a lot of people invested a lot of time into the Mass Effect trilogy only to get a kick in the quad. Seriously the ending invalidates every thing Shepard has done and its' riddled with cheap attempts at pathos, and there are numerous plotholes.

Also they didn't subject the ending to peer-review. Seriouslyif they did it would be a lot more different.

Modifié par Canned Bullets, 12 avril 2012 - 12:33 .

[The Spamming Troll]

artistic integrity is just a grouping of words. a phrase to describe something. it defines their stance on the subject at hand and i have no problem seeing or hearing them use it.

in the same vein, 'horrible' and 'ending' are words as well.

for me, im wondering which one of those words biowares more concerned about.

Modifié par The Spamming Troll, 12 avril 2012 - 01:03 .

[Getorex]

MrTijger wrote...

The Razman wrote...

Not this again.

It doesn't matter if you think it was bad writing. Artistic integrity applies to what the writer wrote, and is not subject to your opinion on what's good and what's bad.

People need to just get over it. Gamers have been fighting for artistic rights for games for decades, and now some idiots want to fight against artistic rights for games just because it suits their preferences. No.

This.

I'm now waiting with baited breath for the Retake Titanic movement, after all, an unsinkable ship sinks and the cute boy dies, what kind of lousy writing is that??? Rewrite I say!

Ya'll are religious fundamentalists.  This "artistic integrity" religion is bullcrap, same as all fundi crap.  There is no such thing as "artistic integrity".  Show it to me.  Show me any evidence anywhere at any time that this magical ray or particle exists.  It is all in your friggin' MIND and nowhere else.  NO ONE HAS "ARTISTIC INTEGRITY" and no thing has "artistic integrity".  They are mere mealymouthed words to excuse whatever the f*ck you want to excuse.

Drop your religious nonsense and grab 'hold of the real world baby.