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[Calians]

I want the Reapers to stay a "mystery" and not have the God child speak rubbish about why they are doing it. It had a sense of uncertainty of you will truly know what they actually want like in ME1 and everything is up for speculation about them. But then that ending...ever so imprinted in my mind like DA2. Well actually DA2 in all was horrid and ME3 was quite good up till ending.

[Sons of Horus]

You know I’ve always thought that the reapers may raise certain species to their ranks in order to avoid some sort of devastating universal cosmic event. Reapers would simply be the survivors of the universe in a new form.

[kbct]

Sebbe1337o wrote...

Oh right, THEY DID. That team is called Casey Hudson and Mac Walters...

I still find it amazing that only Hudson and Walters worked on the ending. No input from Weekes. No input from Drew. No input from the writing team.

Of course, after the release we have comments from Drew and comments from Weekes. Yet, no comments from Mac and no comments from Casey...

For me, I think anything vetted by the entire BioWare writing team would have been better than what we got, "dark energy" or no.

Modifié par kbct, 11 avril 2012 - 08:08 .

[Harshfact]

Uhm... i get why people would prefer this over the original and but it doesn't make sense at all ... if the reaper creators had recognized this threat , they obviously had lots of time right ? and there has been millions of cycles before us as hinted at by the clues in ME 1 , then why would the reapers go into hibernate ? why not just spend that time searching for a solution ? why hide all the mass relay tech and use them as traps to kill us if they spread Dark Energy ? hell if all they needed was "a horrific way to fuse themselves together then why spend all this time hunting down the rest ? why not just create a human reaper or whatever they want and then go back into dark space and leave the rest of that species alone while investigating ways to stop Dark Energy ? i'm sorry but considering the backstory we've got the current ending makes sense plus you people who are idolizing drew, you do realize that there still would have been a crucible or something equal to destroy the Reapers right?

[kumquats]

Cyberstrike nTo wrote...

JBONE27 wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

People would have still complained... but less. I still vote for NO EXPLANATION. I really want the Reapers to stay a mystery. IT IS BEYOND OUR COMPREHENSION!

Seconded.

The same here.

This. It's like a monster movie, when you are scared ****less of something moving in the dark and you can't see it. And when you see the monster finally, it's always a total dissapointment.

[AkiKishi]

Harshfact wrote...

Uhm... i get why people would prefer this over the original and but it doesn't make sense at all ... if the reaper creators had recognized this threat , they obviously had lots of time right ? and there has been millions of cycles before us as hinted at by the clues in ME 1 , then why would the reapers go into hibernate ? why not just spend that time searching for a solution ? why hide all the mass relay tech and use them as traps to kill us if they spread Dark Energy ? hell if all they needed was "a horrific way to fuse themselves together then why spend all this time hunting down the rest ? why not just create a human reaper or whatever they want and then go back into dark space and leave the rest of that species alone while investigating ways to stop Dark Energy ? i'm sorry but considering the backstory we've got the current ending makes sense plus you people who are idolizing drew, you do realize that there still would have been a crucible or something equal to destroy the Reapers right?

They don't hibernate, they process. They spend a lot of time doing it because it's obviously not a problem with an easy solution. Then when something that could aid the solution pops up , they go reap it and then start processing again.
Each Reaper adds more power, although I'm not sure where the genetic diversity bit comes in. Maybe it's like some sort of overclock.

[Brakensiek]

It's a horrible idea and I honestly don't see how it would have been any better or why anyone else would even think it's better. It is unbelievably stupid.

[zsom]

So our original options were:
A - the reapers are actually the good guys and we've been fighting on the wrong side for 3 games
B - kill the reapers and potentially doom life as we know it

Yeah.. that still doesn't seem right. Not to mention the massive plot holes like why didn't they tell us about the impending apocalypse they are trying to avoid...

[Sebbe1337o]

Mycrus Ironfist wrote...

ME3 lacked the cohesiveness of its predecessors... if the ME3 story would have been done right, the dark energy ending could have had made more sense...

your decisions during the whole course of the game could have easily made sense with a proper epilogue to the "galaxy unified + no human reap" option for the dark energy ending...

i can't think of how a renegade ending would work

Most renegade I can come up with would be allowing the Reapers to reap in order to stop the spread of Dark Energy I guess, but that ending would suck and nobody would pick it XD

[Harshfact]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Harshfact wrote...

Uhm... i get why people would prefer this over the original and but it doesn't make sense at all ... if the reaper creators had recognized this threat , they obviously had lots of time right ? and there has been millions of cycles before us as hinted at by the clues in ME 1 , then why would the reapers go into hibernate ? why not just spend that time searching for a solution ? why hide all the mass relay tech and use them as traps to kill us if they spread Dark Energy ? hell if all they needed was "a horrific way to fuse themselves together then why spend all this time hunting down the rest ? why not just create a human reaper or whatever they want and then go back into dark space and leave the rest of that species alone while investigating ways to stop Dark Energy ? i'm sorry but considering the backstory we've got the current ending makes sense plus you people who are idolizing drew, you do realize that there still would have been a crucible or something equal to destroy the Reapers right?

They don't hibernate, they process. They spend a lot of time doing it because it's obviously not a problem with an easy solution. Then when something that could aid the solution pops up , they go reap it and then start processing again.
Each Reaper adds more power, although I'm not sure where the genetic diversity bit comes in. Maybe it's like some sort of overclock.

Still doesn't make sense.... why would they even fuse themselves in the first place ? if there was many cycles before us , the Dark Energy wouldn't have spread as much if they didn't use the relays right ? the reaper idea should be something our cycle would come up with due to the urgency of threat and lack of time. so they would fuse themselves to increase process as a last resort... the people who turned themsleves into Reapers had millions of years worth of time to investigate so they're solution is to just fuse themselves into a horrible machine hybird and go and sit somewhere to process while other species actually have thousands of years to spread Dark Energy by using hte relays and then when they've gone far enough they go and reap them ? i don't see no logic here ... the species that created the Reapers could stop using the relays and technologies an just research on their planets and set up communications with each other to brainstorm(don't tell em they can't cause Reapers have crazy communication skills ) that would have made much more sense then allowing millions of people to come after them and increase the spread THEn go and harvest them ...if anything harvest them before they have any access to Mass relays, that way you'll stop Dark Energy spreading AND have more species to harvest from

[MegaSovereign]

There would still be complaining.

The Dark Energy plot isn't any better honestly. Dark Energy is the friggen definition of space magic.

[zsom]

MegaSovereign wrote...

There would still be complaining.

The Dark Energy plot isn't any better honestly. Dark Energy is the friggen definition of space magic.

Actually it does exist (or it may exist since it is just a theory): http://en.wikipedia....iki/Dark_energy

It doesn't eat up stars though...

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

Wow, that sounds... absolutely goddamn terrible. I'm glad Drew left when he did, because that would have been an incredibly lame ending. We already have Element Zero and the ''Mass Effect'' that are pretty much space magic. Making the whole story revolve around some other magic substance, and turning the Reapers into heroes who want to help humanity?

It would be way worse than the current ending.

[Travie]

Wow, that ending would have actually made sense to the rest of the Mass Effect universe and not left it a shattered heap of poop.

I can't believe people are arguing physics when the ENTIRE PREMISE of the mass effect universe doesn't have any grounding in current physics and is completely made up.

[kbct]

zsom wrote...

So our original options were:
A - the reapers are actually the good guys and we've been fighting on the wrong side for 3 games
B - kill the reapers and potentially doom life as we know it

Yeah.. that still doesn't seem right. Not to mention the massive plot holes like why didn't they tell us about the impending apocalypse they are trying to avoid...

"Dark energy" isn't bad. The Reapers aren't good. They want to reaper-ize races to help combat the dark energy because they can't figure out how to do it themselves.

But what if the reapers aren't needed at all and the organic races could solve the dark energy problem themselves?

Modifié par kbct, 11 avril 2012 - 08:36 .

[Frailstrength]

Sorry, I don't see the value in this ending at all as it is. It does fit with some of the things foreshadowed in the second game in particular (Mordin's comment about human genetic diversity is a good example); I was dissappointed that nothing really came out of that. However, the end result is the same; all the decisions you made previously impact only the people involved and are dwarfed by the sheer scope of the choice that you have before you. And while we are not sure how it would have been implemented, you can guarantee that conversations with Reapers would have been involved and fans would still be crying out.
Ultimately, I think the endings that we have are easier to explain. I have no problems with the actual conclusions and content of the endings and I feel they fit pretty well inside the trilogy. I do, however, take exception with Mac Walters' execution. I think that is where Karpyshyn is obviously superior. Hopefully, the Extended Cut will be a good way for Walters to fix some of that.

[Fiery Phoenix]

People would have still complained, but in my humble opinion, that ending just seems more "right" so to speak.

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

b2smooth wrote...

Agreed!  The combat mechanics of the 2nd and 3rd game were far superior, but as far as the story and characters, Mass Effect 1 dominates the other two.  The relationships built in the first game are what fueled the entire series.

What? No. You built relationships in ME2, not ME1. Unless talking with Tali for half an hour about the Flotilla and killing some random salarian doctor for Garrus is ''relationship building'' in your opinion.

The franchise really got started with ME2. ME1 was just awful, both in gameplay as well as storytelling and characterization. I learned more about Tali and her people during one quest in ME2 than I did in the entire game of ME1.

[CrazyBirdman]

I would hate that ending but whatever it is what it is and it seems that even Drew Karpyshyn dould not come up with some brilliant idea to explain motivations of godlike monster machines.

[Travie]

kbct wrote...

zsom wrote...

So our original options were:
A - the reapers are actually the good guys and we've been fighting on the wrong side for 3 games
B - kill the reapers and potentially doom life as we know it

Yeah.. that still doesn't seem right. Not to mention the massive plot holes like why didn't they tell us about the impending apocalypse they are trying to avoid...

"Dark energy" isn't bad. The Reapers aren't good. They want to reaper-ize races to help combat the dark energy because they can't figure out how to do it themselves.

But what if the reapers aren't needed at all and the organic races could solve the dark energy problem themselves?

Yeah, i'd rather have an ending that was forshadowed for the entire series and actually plugs up plotholes.

A antagonist with a motivation that you can almost see as being right is 1000 times better than an 'hurr duur choatic evil' antagonist, or a nonsensical antagonist that feels like it was chosen at random (like we got). 

Modifié par Travie, 11 avril 2012 - 08:41 .

[LegendaryBlade]

Karpyshyn and Weekes should hook up. After a night of romance and dining, they will form their own writing team and it will be fantastic.

[BrookerT]

So, we would still have a convoluted ending?

[Cainne Chapel]

My ideal ending?

hmm I dunno.

I imagined the reapers would HAVE to be explained at some point as I dont spend 3 games to NOT find out about them.

But I had it in my head that the reapers harvested our galaxy and used it as some sort of fuel/ammo/whatever to fight against another big bad space baddie that wanted to wipe out organic life or something of that nature. So they "reaped" to keep the status quo and used the "reaped" species to fight against the unknowable big baddie out in dark space.


but that was just one of my personal ideas I knocked around....no need to go spreading it around

[zsom]

kbct wrote...

"Dark energy" isn't bad. The Reapers aren't good. They want to reaper-ize races to help combat the dark energy because they can't figure out how to do it themselves.

But what if the reapers aren't needed at all and the organic races could solve the dark energy problem themselves?

Dark energy is destroying stars (at least in ME), how is that not bad? If the goal of the reapers is to stop dark energy from spreading then they are saving organic life. And if you allow them to harvest humanity then you are accepting that they are the good guys. The alternative is to kill them all in hope that you may figure out a different solution yourself. No guarantees though..