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[BentOrgy]

MrTijger wrote...

Uh...you folks do realise that Drew was co-lead with Walters on 2 and in fact, left halfway through ME 2?

Your point? Most people here aren't bashing either Drew or ME2. The point is generally; Drew was establishing a foundation, a flow, with the Dark energy crisis in ME2 that would later be built upon and concluded in ME3. ME3 as it is now, completely disregards Dark Energy completely, leaving Veetor's comments on Freedom's Progress, and Haestrom weird little anomalies that don't go anywhere.

Tie into the fact that Starchild is completely random, its logic makes no sense, and there's nothing suggesting its existence in either the first two titles, or 98% ME3 itself, and you have plenty of reason to not just despise ME3's direction, but how Bioware approached it, or handled the aftermath.

EDIT: My only problem with the Dark Energy plot is; how would we fight it? How would merging with the reapers solve anything? Granted, Drew's not an idiot that wouldn't think of something, so us criticizing this point is unfair, but it does make me wonder.

Modifié par BentOrgy, 12 avril 2012 - 01:57 .

[twaninator]

^ Agree completely. The current ending feels like a total cop-out.

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I always found Haestrom to be very interesting and there was no explanation of it in me3. Also with Eezo being so prevalant I thought it was be prevalant to the ending. Dark Energy being like the "Nothing" consuming the galaxy sounds very interesting. Would have been a good twist that the reapers were actually the "good guys."

[twaninator]

Not necessarily the good guys so much as having reasonable motive.

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twaninator wrote...

Not necessarily the good guys so much as having reasonable motive.

I used "" due to lack of better word

[Rrezz]

so it would have been Good Space Magic vs Evil Space Magic. yeah, thats soooo much better. admit it, no matter what the ending was, you would have hated it.

[twaninator]

At least the "Evil Space Magic" had been referenced before and wasn't completely out of context with the entire series.

[MegaSovereign]

zsom wrote...

kbct wrote...

"Dark energy" isn't bad. The Reapers aren't good. They want to reaper-ize races to help combat the dark energy because they can't figure out how to do it themselves.

But what if the reapers aren't needed at all and the organic races could solve the dark energy problem themselves?

Dark energy is destroying stars (at least in ME), how is that not bad? If the goal of the reapers is to stop dark energy from spreading then they are saving organic life. And if you allow them to harvest humanity then you are accepting that they are the good guys. The alternative is to kill them all in hope that you may figure out a different solution yourself. No guarantees though..

So either way humanity is screwed.

How is that better than the current endings.

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MegaSovereign wrote...

zsom wrote...

kbct wrote...

"Dark energy" isn't bad. The Reapers aren't good. They want to reaper-ize races to help combat the dark energy because they can't figure out how to do it themselves.

But what if the reapers aren't needed at all and the organic races could solve the dark energy problem themselves?

Dark energy is destroying stars (at least in ME), how is that not bad? If the goal of the reapers is to stop dark energy from spreading then they are saving organic life. And if you allow them to harvest humanity then you are accepting that they are the good guys. The alternative is to kill them all in hope that you may figure out a different solution yourself. No guarantees though..

So either way humanity is screwed.

How is that better than the current endings.

how is it not better? haha

[Arik7]

Sacrifice humanity or fail to prevent a potential destruction of the whole galaxy.... It seems like a REAL and hard decision to make... I love it!.. DOUBLE the points for not having a "star child".

[addiction21]

twaninator wrote...

At least the "Evil Space Magic" had been referenced before and wasn't completely out of context with the entire series.

Once as far as I remember and even then it is no allusion that it has been and will be destroying the galaxy.

[Tazzmission]

Sebbe1337o wrote...

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Tazzmission wrote...

slyguy200 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

this isnt trying to start a fight but i do recall 2 years ago people bashing the last me book drew wrote calling it garbage

i just think its funny they critisize one thing buy him and want him to do the ending

like i said not trying to fight but just showing how the bsn is the bsn really

Which book?

retribution


i remember alot of people just hated on it

and now they demand drew be back

the irony on this board just shocks me

I thought that it screwed with the lore or something, and that it had to be rewritten.

no thats deception. it was written by that guy who screwed up Bungie's Halo novel.

The only bad part with Halo: The Flood was the Chief's parts, and how all the alien characters died 5 seconds after being introduced without a warning.

I thought retribution was good. Revelation was the best by far though (mostly because of Saren).

same here

for me its

revelation

retribution


ascention

i didnt bother with deception yet until they release it with everything fixed

[Hatchetman77]

Still would have been crap.  We didn't need motivation for the Reapers, we just needed to find a way to kill them.

[Kanner]

To be frank, I'm just going to look forward to the next video game Drew ends up writing, at whatever company he does it. Y'know, after he comes to the realisation that's he's a crappy novelist. =)

[Cainne Chapel]

I know drew was the lead writer for ME1.... but its not like he wrote the thing completely by himself. He had a whole TEAM of guys, same with Mac in ME2 and ME3.

There were parts that shined in every game as well as parts that required some hand waving. As much as I like drew, he isn't the grand master of video game writing.... hes good though, and with a team like he had in ME he's even better.

I would have however liked the guys who did Tuchanka, Rannoch and such work on the endings too...

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

Sebbe1337o wrote...

...ME3 would've ended like this. A lot better imo:

http://www.strategyi...ffect-3-endings

I know this has been posted before, but I think those who hasn't seen this should. And if you liked the current ending, good for you. I'm glad some liked it at least


Also: This explaination is a lot better than "we kill you so you won't be killed by synthetics" etc...

Do you think it would be a better ending?

WOW!
thank you Mac Walters for ruining everything

[Kanner]

Maybe Drew just got really lucky, but KOTOR, ME1/2, and Jade Empire is a hell of a resume.

[Cainne Chapel]

well to be fair Kanner Drew left in the middle of two, and people complained that two was horribly written as well....

Granted I dont feel that way as some of the characters from 2 are my favorites... but still.

[Kanner]

2 was not the most amazingly *writen* thing ever, but it made for an amazing GAME, and that gets it over the line.

The end of 3 somehow manages to combine awful writing with a style that is completely incompatable with videogaming. I'm not quite sure how you do that, but they did it.

[Wynteryth]

The Codex and the Books go into "Dark Energy" a lot more. Which is why it would have made more sense than the current ending that we are saddled with.

Biotics is the actual control and use of the "Dark Energy" where the person becomes the conduit for its release.

I have no doubt in my mind that the change in the ending was one of the reasons that Drew Kapyshyn left BioWare and is no longer writing Mass Effect books. Mass Effect: Deception was written by William Dietz. Not sure if Dietz was in on the ending we got in ME3, but Deception was good and stayed close to the story line..

[BrookerT]

So when Mac Walters uses space magic, everyones angry, but when Drew uses space magic we aren't?

[Armass81]

Dark energy ending is as bad as that singularity one, in a way its even worse.

[Chiramu]

I would've preferred the ending stay on the original rather than it being changed, especially how they already wrote the beginnings of the ending in the previous two games.

[sevach]

As far as i understand, on all Bioware titles, the writing team focus on individual characters, their missions...
The lead guy supervises them and outlines the main plot and plot integral missions/parts.

Drew already said he intended for the suicide mission to be longer and offer more exposition on the Reapers, but he was overruled.
That would have been great given that Mass Effect 2 does very little to the overarching plot.

We can't judge how the game would have fared under Drew, depends on how much exposition the dark energy problem would have got throughout ME3, we don't even know if he intended to have a Crucible or how the final stretch of the game would play out.

I have to say however that the logic sounds better than "Yo dawg i heard...", and the final decision sounds like a tough decision to make, not what color you want your space magic to be.

No mention of the lil kid either, what a cheap cheap device that was, and how marvelously it backfired right in their faces.

I wonder if that was all Walters trying to put his signature into ME3... changing the plot mid series is never a good idea.