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[Little Princess Peach]

I love drews idea better its more sci fi

[EHondaMashButton]

Dark energy is just as bad without clarification, possibly worse. It'd be like harvesting us to stop global warming. Because of our... genetic diversity? Huh?

Our genetic diversity gives us an advantage in coming up with a solution to dark energy? What? How? This is equally stupid. Couldn't we just give them the # to a sperm/egg bank and send them on their way?

[Naughty Bear]

EHondaMashButton wrote...

Dark energy is just as bad without clarification, possibly worse. It'd be like harvesting us to stop global warming. Because of our... genetic diversity? Huh?

Our genetic diversity gives us an advantage in coming up with a solution to dark energy? What? How? This is equally stupid. Couldn't we just give them the # to a sperm/egg bank and send them on their way?

I was just wondering that myself.

Just sprinkle some Human DNA goo onto Haestrom and boom, galaxy is saved.

[Calbeb]

I think it would have been better to end the game with as little high concept Sci-Fi as possible. A McGuffin is fine as long as there is enough meat around it that the ending is worth it.

I think Drew's ending sounds just as bad tbh, for reasons that have been mentioned in this thread.

[Sebbe1337o]

ImperatorMortis wrote...

I'm really pissed off right now. Does anyone know why Drew left?

Drew himself says that he wanted to do other things and continue to write books because he has so many many ideas all the time. But I really think that he got tired of EA and other devs at BW steamrolling his ideas so that the ME series became something outside of his vision of the games, and left because he got sick of it.

[Sebbe1337o]

Naughty Bear wrote...

EHondaMashButton wrote...

Dark energy is just as bad without clarification, possibly worse. It'd be like harvesting us to stop global warming. Because of our... genetic diversity? Huh?

Our genetic diversity gives us an advantage in coming up with a solution to dark energy? What? How? This is equally stupid. Couldn't we just give them the # to a sperm/egg bank and send them on their way?

I was just wondering that myself.

Just sprinkle some Human DNA goo onto Haestrom and boom, galaxy is saved.

Dude... that doesn't even make sense XD

[Calbeb]

Sebbe1337o wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

I'm really pissed off right now. Does anyone know why Drew left?

Drew himself says that he wanted to do other things and continue to write books because he has so many many ideas all the time. But I really think that he got tired of EA and other devs at BW steamrolling his ideas so that the ME series became something outside of his vision of the games, and left because he got sick of it.

He actually left to work on SWTOR during the early days of ME2.

[Doctor Uburian]

Sebbe1337o wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

I'm really pissed off right now. Does anyone know why Drew left?

Drew himself says that he wanted to do other things and continue to write books because he has so many many ideas all the time. But I really think that he got tired of EA and other devs at BW steamrolling his ideas so that the ME series became something outside of his vision of the games, and left because he got sick of it.

Just like Will Wright leaving Maxis, for the same reason 

[shepskisaac]

You guys do realize that Technological Singularity/organics vs synthetics probably his idea as well, considering it dates back to ME2's developement just as Dark Energy?

Here's what he has to say on the endings:

Of course, some of you are also pinging me to find out what the “original” ending of the series was when we started planning out the trilogy. Sorry, but that’s not something I’m even going to attempt to answer. The collaborative creative process is incredibly complicated, and the story and ideas are constantly evolving as you go forward. Yes, we had a plan, but it was very vague. We knew we wanted to focus on some key themes and bring in certain key elements: organics vs synthetics; the Reapers; the Mass Relays. Beyond that, we didn’t go into detail because we knew it would change radically as the game continued to evolve.

More in the link: drewkarpyshyn.com/c/

Ohh and here's what Drew has to say to all "what if Drew was still the writer" people:

Funny. Some upset fans say #ME3 was awesome until the end ruined it. Claim it would have been better if I was still on the project. BUT...

... fans upset about my #Revan novel claim it was awesome until the ending ruined it. So maybe I wouldn't have made any difference.

source #1: twitter.com/#!/DrewKarpyshyn/status/179376106565140480
source #2: twitter.com/#!/DrewKarpyshyn/status/179376258600275968

[PrinceLionheart]

EHondaMashButton wrote...

Dark energy is just as bad without clarification, possibly worse. It'd be like harvesting us to stop global warming. Because of our... genetic diversity? Huh?

Our genetic diversity gives us an advantage in coming up with a solution to dark energy? What? How? This is equally stupid. Couldn't we just give them the # to a sperm/egg bank and send them on their way?

Honestly it seemed like they were hinting towards Dark Energy being a big deal (both Parasini and the Quarians said they were investigating into it in ME2.) Seemed like it was scrapped in favor of the Star Child.

[Elk Cloner]

EHondaMashButton wrote...

Dark energy is just as bad without clarification, possibly worse. It'd be like harvesting us to stop global warming. Because of our... genetic diversity? Huh?

Our genetic diversity gives us an advantage in coming up with a solution to dark energy? What? How? This is equally stupid. Couldn't we just give them the # to a sperm/egg bank and send them on their way?

Dark energy would be a great plot, especially of Reaper origin. And genetical diversity gives species an edge: adaptability. 

[Repearized Miranda]

To person who put up Drew's quote:

Isaw that, too about Drew and agree. What if he wrote ME3's ending as it is now. However, I don't think fans would be as upset because they'd realize the method/logic behind the madness.

In this case, we do not.

That's like comparing a veteran to a clear rookie. Everyone knows that a veteran has off-nights and those off-nights can be really crappy sometimes; however, we know that the vet wil bounce back - maybe not immediately, but it'll happen.

A rookie though - you may not write him off immediately, but you also know his off-nights and bad performances will be of greater quantity then the vets. Therefore, you'd be more upset with the rookie, wouldn't you?

Alas, this may be why Walters is getting so much heat whereas I doubt Drew would; that wouldn't absolve Drew from any criticism though as he has said.

Alas, the ending was straight up awful - it's doesn't make a difference who wrote it! The thing is if Drew had written it, it probably would have been deserving due to the execution.

Modifié par Repearized Miranda, 18 avril 2012 - 10:22 .

[Virginian]

The artical linked to by the OP sums up why I don't like Drew's version of the ending.

This still doesn't change the main sticking point of fans: all of
the recruitment, all of the alliances, all of the sacrifices, were
essentially moot because they essentially were inconsequential to the
resolution.

[Evo_9]

Sebbe1337o wrote...

...ME3 would've ended like this. A lot better imo:

http://www.strategyi...ffect-3-endings

I know this has been posted before, but I think those who hasn't seen this should. And if you liked the current ending, good for you. I'm glad some liked it at least


Also: This explaination is a lot better than "we kill you so you won't be killed by synthetics" etc...

Do you think it would be a better ending?

No, IMO, thats a stupid ending because we can easily comprehend their motives.

Whereas we cant comprehend the current ending........obviously.

Modifié par Evo_9, 18 avril 2012 - 10:52 .

[ADLegend21]

Sebbe1337o wrote...

...ME3 would've ended like this. A lot better imo:

http://www.strategyi...ffect-3-endings

I know this has been posted before, but I think those who hasn't seen this should. And if you liked the current ending, good for you. I'm glad some liked it at least


Also: This explaination is a lot better than "we kill you so you won't be killed by synthetics" etc...

Do you think it would be a better ending?

Actually the standing endings make more sense. Teh dark energy thing isnt' really fleshed out in there, but the Reapers are simply "kill you with synthetics so you won't do it yoruself" it's "Harvest the people who CAN make synthetics and leave the ones who can't so they can grow to their peak before they can create synthetics that wipe EVERYTHING out instead of only some things" Even so everything that was done in he first two games means nothing in BOTH endings soI don't really see why people are getting worked up.

[Mr.House]

The ending would have still been horrible Ever beat the Jedi Knight story in TOR? Ya Drew has fallen very far in terms of writing quality since ME.

[aries1001]

If the ending was written by Drew K. along with the writing team, we don't know how it would have been nor do we know how the ME3 community would have recieved the ending in the game. Also, please note that Drew K. now has left Bioware....and is busy writing his own books....

[daftPirate]

EHondaMashButton wrote...

Dark energy is just as bad without clarification, possibly worse. It'd be like harvesting us to stop global warming. Because of our... genetic diversity? Huh?

Our genetic diversity gives us an advantage in coming up with a solution to dark energy? What? How? This is equally stupid. Couldn't we just give them the # to a sperm/egg bank and send them on their way?

Agreed. Dark Energy would not in any way have been an improvement. If I remember right, was it not Karpyshyn who scrapped the idea, which was only an early working plan for the Reaper motivation?

[Sebbe1337o]

One thing that would please both the people that like the dark energy theory and dislike it: Bioware could have some cameo to it in an upcoming SP DLC, or it might even be part of the main plot in a SP DLC. Why not?

[Evo_9]

Dark energy hardly got a mention in ME1, yet synthetics vs organics has been mentioned many times throughout the whole series, not to mention the whole war with a rogue AI in ME1 being the geth obviously.

Shepard himself saw the threat of AI , until EDI and the geth towards the end converted him.

Yes the geth made peace, but only as a result of shepards actions and they can easily go rogue again.

The dark energy crisis has no place in the ME series, if they wanted to include it they should of introduced it heavily in ME1.

I find it funny that so many, who hate the current ending, like the idea of dark energy, it would of been a bigger disaster if thats possible.

The current ending would of been awesome if it was executed better.

Modifié par Evo_9, 18 avril 2012 - 11:34 .

[TheShogunOfHarlem]

This is marginally better. My primary issue is the whole "Humans are more genetically diverse" notion. I hate to bring in actual science but Humanity is actually genetically homogenous due to an ELE that occurred thousands of years ago.

That being said, the starchild's "logic" is about as bad as you can get as far as Mass Effect trilogy endings go.

[Repearized Miranda]

@ Evo_9:

The same reason Indoctrination is being argued agaunst, but they had no problem pushing that. The tail end of ME, all throughout ME2 (overshadowed by the character-driven stories, but it was there.) And in three. (A whole codex explained this whilst it was verbally stated as well - quite a few times).

I don't think it's so much that DM was liked, it's that we never got to see it to even contemplate liking it. Instead, what we got was an ending that it's beyond obvious not liked!

Something is wrong here!

Modifié par Repearized Miranda, 18 avril 2012 - 11:42 .

[TheShogunOfHarlem]

Evo_9 wrote...

Dark energy hardly got a mention in ME1, yet synthetics vs organics has been mentioned many times throughout the whole series, not to mention the whole war with a rogue AI in ME1 being the geth obviously.

Shepard himself saw the threat of AI , until EDI and the geth towards the end converted him.

Yes the geth made peace, but only as a result of shepards actions and they can easily go rogue again.

The dark energy crisis has no place in the ME series, if they wanted to include it they should of introduced it heavily in ME1.

I find it funny that so many, who hate the current ending, like the idea of dark energy, it would of been a bigger disaster if thats possible.

The current ending would of been awesome if it was executed better.

That hardly is a good enough reason to defend the current ending if anything it's reason to go a completly different way. Otherwise you are just recycling supbplot concepts and in the case of the current ending using it to explain the Reaper's motives in an anti-climactic way.

[Evo_9]

TheShogunOfHarlem wrote...

This is marginally better. My primary issue is the whole "Humans are more genetically diverse" notion. I hate to bring in actual science but Humanity is actually genetically homogenous due to an ELE that occurred thousands of years ago.

That being said, the starchild's "logic" is about as bad as you can get as far as Mass Effect trilogy endings go.

catalyst logic is sound.

Its the writing that was as bad as you can get.