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[honkayjeezus]

 
http://www.gamespot....ays-bbb-6371157

The Mass Effect 3 drama continues. Since the game launched last month, fans havevocally expressed their distaste for the endgame, claiming BioWare did not allow players to fully forge a unique destiny. Now, these users have scored a strong ally: the Better Business Bureau.The BBB thinks Mass Effect 3 represents false advertising.In a post to the firm's consumer news and opinion blog, BBB director of marketplace services Marjorie Stephens explained that BioWare directed a misleading advertising campaign for Mass Effect 3."The issue at stake here is, did BioWare falsely advertise?" she wrote. "Technically, yes, they did."Stephens made her claim by analyzing two of the game's much-distributed marketing tag-lines. The first line she examined was a promise that Mass Effect 3 players will be able to "Experience the beginning, middle, and end of an emotional story unlike any other, where the decisions you make completely[/i] shape your experience and outcome."Of the line, Stephens says BioWare did not deliver the player the ability to fully craft their own unique experience. "There is no indecision in that statement. It is an absolute," she said.The second marketing line Stephens referenced was, "Along the way, your choices drive powerful outcomes, including relationships with key characters, the fate of entire civilizations, and even radically different ending scenarios."Regarding this statement, Stephens says BioWare's messaging is very subjective. Reading this line, she claims, a player would have a difficult time reaching the conclusion that "the game's outcome is not 'wholly' determined by one's choices."Stephens ended her blog entry by noting companies have a responsibility to accurately craft their marketing messaging."The lesson to be learned here is companies should give careful consideration to how they word their advertisements. Otherwise, there could be detrimental effects, especially in the era of social media and online forums."Last week, BioWare announced the Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut, a free piece of content headed to gamers this summer. The content aims to address fans' concerns regarding the Mass Effect 3 endgame by providing "greater context," but no new endings.

[Rogue Unit]

Check out the other 6 threads on this after you're done.

[philamar18]

Of the line, Stephens says BioWare did not deliver the player the ability to fully craft their own unique experience

My question is, what does that even mean. The statement is very vague. What constitutes a unique experience? You can customize your armor, character, squad, choose which quest to do, choose how you respond, and depending on those choices determines what happens in the story. This isn't RPG Maker or Minecraft. I don't get what their definition of a unique experience is. The experience is no more unique than in ME1 or ME2.

As for the ending comments, they are right in that it is subjective. I mean, earth being saved or destroyed, and the outcome of the reapers, etc.. is pretty radical differences even if they are not portrayed that well in the cutscenes.

Regardless, this is the BBB being discussed. If Bioware offered to pay subscription fees, than they would end up having a AAA rating.

[XTR3M3]

yep, knew this would happen. I guess all of us "entitled nerds" were right. I wouldn't have been so vocal throughout if they hadn't outright lied to us. There is "marketing hype and exaggerations" and then there is outright lies like "you won't just get ending A,B or C."

If they had been truthful or even obscure about the ending, I wouldn't have like it but I wouldn't have considered myself a "take back" person. I hated DA2 because of the broken promises and deviation from what worked in DAO, but I just let that game die on my shelf because that game was bad all the way through. The whole ME trilogy was awesome until the end. Why they would lie about the ending KNOWING we would find out is beyond me. Time to hire different PR people I guess.

[AJRimmsey]

more BS rumour mongering

please check facts before posting more garbage to incite further flame wars

[jds1bio]

AJRimmsey wrote...

more BS rumour mongering

please check facts before posting more garbage to incite further flame wars

Let's check them together, then...

[XTR3M3]

AJRimmsey wrote...

more BS rumour mongering

please check facts before posting more garbage to incite further flame wars

uhh, that is right off the BBB's site. maybe you should check your facts.

[SofieShepard]

AJRimmsey wrote...

more BS rumour mongering

please check facts before posting more garbage to incite further flame wars

What BS are you referring to?  TFA lists direct quotes from Bioware.  That they said these things prior to release are FACTS.  They are in the public record. 

Please read articles before commenting that they are BS.

[AJRimmsey]

jds1bio wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

more BS rumour mongering

please check facts before posting more garbage to incite further flame wars

Let's check them together, then...

add a link to the actual BBB site if you want to convince me.

or

just add another link to some employees blog post that has absolutley no connection to BBB stance or case.


oh thats right,you cant...because this is yet more hate mongering with rumour and second hand opinions.

we are not all idiot sheeple who want to rant even if the subject of the rant has no basis in reality.

[jds1bio]

AJRimmsey wrote...

jds1bio wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

more BS rumour mongering

please check facts before posting more garbage to incite further flame wars

Let's check them together, then...

add a link to the actual BBB site if you want to convince me.

or

just add another link to some employees blog post that has absolutley no connection to BBB stance or case.


oh thats right,you cant...because this is yet more hate mongering with rumour and second hand opinions.

we are not all idiot sheeple who want to rant even if the subject of the rant has no basis in reality.

Um, the link is an interview with the exec producer of ME3, which talks specifically about the endings.  How is this hate mongering or a second-hand opinion?

[Shepard108278]

honkayjeezus wrote...

 
http://www.gamespot....ays-bbb-6371157

The Mass Effect 3 drama continues. Since the game launched last month, fans havevocally expressed their distaste for the endgame, claiming BioWare did not allow players to fully forge a unique destiny. Now, these users have scored a strong ally: the Better Business Bureau.The BBB thinks Mass Effect 3 represents false advertising.In a post to the firm's consumer news and opinion blog, BBB director of marketplace services Marjorie Stephens explained that BioWare directed a misleading advertising campaign for Mass Effect 3."The issue at stake here is, did BioWare falsely advertise?" she wrote. "Technically, yes, they did."Stephens made her claim by analyzing two of the game's much-distributed marketing tag-lines. The first line she examined was a promise that Mass Effect 3 players will be able to "Experience the beginning, middle, and end of an emotional story unlike any other, where the decisions you make completely[/i] shape your experience and outcome."Of the line, Stephens says BioWare did not deliver the player the ability to fully craft their own unique experience. "There is no indecision in that statement. It is an absolute," she said.The second marketing line Stephens referenced was, "Along the way, your choices drive powerful outcomes, including relationships with key characters, the fate of entire civilizations, and even radically different ending scenarios."Regarding this statement, Stephens says BioWare's messaging is very subjective. Reading this line, she claims, a player would have a difficult time reaching the conclusion that "the game's outcome is not 'wholly' determined by one's choices."Stephens ended her blog entry by noting companies have a responsibility to accurately craft their marketing messaging."The lesson to be learned here is companies should give careful consideration to how they word their advertisements. Otherwise, there could be detrimental effects, especially in the era of social media and online forums."Last week, BioWare announced the Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut, a free piece of content headed to gamers this summer. The content aims to address fans' concerns regarding the Mass Effect 3 endgame by providing "greater context," but no new endings.

This is not the stance of the BBB it is a consumer post.

[honkayjeezus]

Rogue Unit wrote...

Check out the other 6 threads on this after you're done.

I did that right before I did this one to save time.

[AJRimmsey]

honkayjeezus wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Check out the other 6 threads on this after you're done.

I did that right before I did this one to save time.

so you knew in the others this whole thing was debunked as simply a blog post...but still reguritated again.

why ?

[XTR3M3]

regardless of how someone perceives that article, it IS on the BBB site and does point out that there were lies told us about the ending in the guise of "marketing".

Keep posting this kind of stuff until EAware fixes their product to match their claims of "no A,B,C" ending and "your choices matter".

If the rest of you don't like to see this kind of stuff...too bad. don't look at the thread then. we were lied to. period.

Hold the line!

[kbct]

AJRimmsey wrote...

add a link to the actual BBB site if you want to convince me.

Here you go:

http://www.bbb.org/b...etter-or-worse/

"The issue at stake here is, did Bio Ware falsely advertise? Technically, yes, they did."

Even if it's a blog, it's just more bad press.

Modifié par kbct, 11 avril 2012 - 06:44 .

[AkiKishi]

XTR3M3 wrote...

regardless of how someone perceives that article, it IS on the BBB site and does point out that there were lies told us about the ending in the guise of "marketing".

Keep posting this kind of stuff until EAware fixes their product to match their claims of "no A,B,C" ending and "your choices matter".

If the rest of you don't like to see this kind of stuff...too bad. don't look at the thread then. we were lied to. period.

Hold the line!

It's written by an employee in her official capacity.

[AJRimmsey]

AJRimmsey wrote...

honkayjeezus wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Check out the other 6 threads on this after you're done.

I did that right before I did this one to save time.

so you knew in the others this whole thing was debunked as simply a blog post...but still reguritated again.

why ?

bloggers..the new roswell tin foil hat brigade of the 21st century

want some hits ?

find a volatile subject.....start a blog...add a few rumours...watch the hits flood in

[glacier1701]

Now just a question of what Forbes might have to say about this. Certainly it is something that Ea BioWare needs to be aware of and perhaps go back into what they planned for the Extended Cut and make even more changes.

[XTR3M3]

AJRimmsey wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

honkayjeezus wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Check out the other 6 threads on this after you're done.

I did that right before I did this one to save time.

so you knew in the others this whole thing was debunked as simply a blog post...but still reguritated again.

why ?

bloggers..the new roswell tin foil hat brigade of the 21st century

want some hits ?

find a volatile subject.....start a blog...add a few rumours...watch the hits flood in

EAware...the new evil empire of the 21st century

want some sales?

find a good company making a good product...take over said company and product.....engage in false advertising and day 1 DLC.....watch the money flood in

one more thing....bleed that company dry....let it die....move on to the next one

[ognick23]

AJRimmsey wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

honkayjeezus wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Check out the other 6 threads on this after you're done.

I did that right before I did this one to save time.

so you knew in the others this whole thing was debunked as simply a blog post...but still reguritated again.

why ?

bloggers..the new roswell tin foil hat brigade of the 21st century

want some hits ?

find a volatile subject.....start a blog...add a few rumours...watch the hits flood in

agree, its a hot topic right now so people are gonna throw in their 2 cents for some quick exposure

[AJRimmsey]

XTR3M3 wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

honkayjeezus wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Check out the other 6 threads on this after you're done.

I did that right before I did this one to save time.

so you knew in the others this whole thing was debunked as simply a blog post...but still reguritated again.

why ?

bloggers..the new roswell tin foil hat brigade of the 21st century

want some hits ?

find a volatile subject.....start a blog...add a few rumours...watch the hits flood in

EAware...the new evil empire of the 21st century

want some sales?

find a good company making a good product...take over said company and product.....engage in false advertising and day 1 DLC.....watch the money flood in

one more thing....bleed that company dry....let it die....move on to the next one

[XTR3M3]

AJRimmsey wrote...

XTR3M3 wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

honkayjeezus wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Check out the other 6 threads on this after you're done.

I did that right before I did this one to save time.

so you knew in the others this whole thing was debunked as simply a blog post...but still reguritated again.

why ?

bloggers..the new roswell tin foil hat brigade of the 21st century

want some hits ?

find a volatile subject.....start a blog...add a few rumours...watch the hits flood in

EAware...the new evil empire of the 21st century

want some sales?

find a good company making a good product...take over said company and product.....engage in false advertising and day 1 DLC.....watch the money flood in

one more thing....bleed that company dry....let it die....move on to the next one

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are we suppose to include photos of ourselves now? Your cat is cute.

[kbct]

AJRimmsey wrote...

find a volatile subject.....start a blog...add a few rumours...watch the hits flood in

The author:

"Director of Communications at BBB of Northern Indiana. She oversees their annual Torch Award for Marketplace Trust and Student of Integrity award program, of which she finds deep satisfaction. Her goal is to educate as many people as possible regarding ID theft, scams, and both personal and professional ethics."

BBB could have a field-day with the misstatements.

Modifié par kbct, 11 avril 2012 - 07:01 .

[Darth Malice113]

AJRimmsey wrote...

XTR3M3 wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

honkayjeezus wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Check out the other 6 threads on this after you're done.

I did that right before I did this one to save time.

so you knew in the others this whole thing was debunked as simply a blog post...but still reguritated again.

why ?

bloggers..the new roswell tin foil hat brigade of the 21st century

want some hits ?

find a volatile subject.....start a blog...add a few rumours...watch the hits flood in

EAware...the new evil empire of the 21st century

want some sales?

find a good company making a good product...take over said company and product.....engage in false advertising and day 1 DLC.....watch the money flood in

one more thing....bleed that company dry....let it die....move on to the next one

Oh look, Rimmsey got a kitty.

[paxxton]

The single proof BioWare/EA has to show to refute BBB's claim is to define Mass Effect 3 as a full game AND a set of DLC.

Modifié par paxxton, 11 avril 2012 - 07:02 .