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#151
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Tirigon wrote...

John Epler wrote...

C) If you honestly feel that BioWare needs fo fail for your demands to be met, that's your opinion. Just don't expect us to look at it as 'Dearie me, they're right! We -should- lose our jobs!'


I dont think anyone wants BioWare to fail.

It is more a worry BioWare might fail if the current bad PR, and its reasons, continue.


Seriously? LOTS of people are actively rooting for BioWare to fail. I don't even get how you can think that there aren't. It's clear in threads just like this one, you'll see people rooting for it.

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Tirigon wrote...

John Epler wrote...

C) If you honestly feel that BioWare needs fo fail for your demands to be met, that's your opinion. Just don't expect us to look at it as 'Dearie me, they're right! We -should- lose our jobs!'


I dont think anyone wants BioWare to fail.

It is more a worry BioWare might fail if the current bad PR, and its reasons, continue.


I highly doubt they will make any more Mass Effect games now, or at least no story driven ones. Thats good, though, right?....right?

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super slow motion mode after being hit by harbinger from that point on,I was angry all through the game we was lied to,I agree "no A,B,C" ending and "your choices matter". thats a laugh

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MrTijger wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

John Epler wrote...

C) If you honestly feel that BioWare needs fo fail for your demands to be met, that's your opinion. Just don't expect us to look at it as 'Dearie me, they're right! We -should- lose our jobs!'


I dont think anyone wants BioWare to fail.

It is more a worry BioWare might fail if the current bad PR, and its reasons, continue.


I highly doubt they will make any more Mass Effect games now, or at least no story driven ones. Thats good, though, right?....right?


I doubt that is the case. I wouldn't be surprised if they dropped the Mass Effect IP, but they'll likely continue making games in the style they're known for. Then again, they are owned by EA now, so who knows. "We want the CoD crowd" and what not.

We are seeing them, supposidly (if you take their word for it) returning to form with DA-III so there is hope.

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Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

John Epler wrote...

C) If you honestly feel that BioWare needs fo fail for your demands to be met, that's your opinion. Just don't expect us to look at it as 'Dearie me, they're right! We -should- lose our jobs!'


I dont think anyone wants BioWare to fail.

It is more a worry BioWare might fail if the current bad PR, and its reasons, continue.


Seriously? LOTS of people are actively rooting for BioWare to fail. I don't even get how you can think that there aren't. It's clear in threads just like this one, you'll see people rooting for it.



to be fair though that is only a specific amount that i would classify as extreme and that alone being a extreme view

you know im no fan of the movement myself but i acknowledge that a nuber of people have gone out as far to sat fire so and so wich i and even the retake movment both stated no not cool

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MrTijger wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

John Epler wrote...

C) If you honestly feel that BioWare needs fo fail for your demands to be met, that's your opinion. Just don't expect us to look at it as 'Dearie me, they're right! We -should- lose our jobs!'


I dont think anyone wants BioWare to fail.

It is more a worry BioWare might fail if the current bad PR, and its reasons, continue.


I highly doubt they will make any more Mass Effect games now, or at least no story driven ones. Thats good, though, right?....right?


So you think that given the backlash, and the impression that Bioware doesn't care about some of its fanbase, they will be able to hype up and sell another ME game like "ho hum....disregard what happened before and buy our new ME game!"?

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John Epler wrote...

And let's stop arguing over 'who's trolling who?', because it is an incredibly circular argument that is going nowhere.



Can this be a dialogue option added to the conversion with the catalyst? Image IPB (all in jest)

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Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

John Epler wrote...

C) If you honestly feel that BioWare needs fo fail for your demands to be met, that's your opinion. Just don't expect us to look at it as 'Dearie me, they're right! We -should- lose our jobs!'


I dont think anyone wants BioWare to fail.

It is more a worry BioWare might fail if the current bad PR, and its reasons, continue.


Seriously? LOTS of people are actively rooting for BioWare to fail. I don't even get how you can think that there aren't. It's clear in threads just like this one, you'll see people rooting for it.


I personally do not want Bioware to fail, but I will say that DA2 being sub par and resulting in DLC being cut short and the expansion cancelled, will in the long run, probably make DA3 a better game than otherwise...It seems that Bioware is willing to push the boundaries of what it can get away with regarding quality and things like paid dlc, until if affects bottom line, then issues are addressed...just look at the fact that 4000+ ems in SP is not possible and yet Bioware has not even acknowledged there MAY be a problem, let alone fix it, because they figure they can get away with that one, since the outcry is not big enough, without it costing them anything...

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if the Better Business Bureau said it, IT MUST BE TRUE!!!

Because obviously they know more about the game and about what I want, than I, the fan, do.

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MrTijger wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

John Epler wrote...

C) If you honestly feel that BioWare needs fo fail for your demands to be met, that's your opinion. Just don't expect us to look at it as 'Dearie me, they're right! We -should- lose our jobs!'


I dont think anyone wants BioWare to fail.

It is more a worry BioWare might fail if the current bad PR, and its reasons, continue.


I highly doubt they will make any more Mass Effect games now, or at least no story driven ones. Thats good, though, right?....right?


If I was BioWare, and I was coming up with a new game, I'd think to myself "Hey, how about a new RPG, character oriented, spread out over three games, there you have the ability to make choices and shape how the game is played through those choices."

Then I'd remember all this bull**** and think "Oh **** no, I'm staying the hell away from those kind of 'fans' THIS time."

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The only thing worse than trolling fans who troll forums like morons, are intelligent fans who would report Bioware to the BBB just because of an f'ing ending.

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 Awesome!!! Are you listening yet Bioware?

Modifié par Ricinator, 11 avril 2012 - 09:12 .


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now that some people have successfully derailed this thread way off topic to deflect attention from the article on the BBB, written by a high level BBB employee....can we get back to talking about that?

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all I can say is...

"meh"

Just another blogger trying to gain fame by the cause like Forbes did....and whaddya know! it worked!

Have ya seen the comments section on there? Its kinda sad...

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BellatrixLugosi wrote...

(facepalm)

It's.............a games...........ending............


It's.... a billion dollar...... industry.....

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i IIVIIorpheus

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Father_Jerusalem wrote...

MrTijger wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

John Epler wrote...

C) If you honestly feel that BioWare needs fo fail for your demands to be met, that's your opinion. Just don't expect us to look at it as 'Dearie me, they're right! We -should- lose our jobs!'


I dont think anyone wants BioWare to fail.

It is more a worry BioWare might fail if the current bad PR, and its reasons, continue.


I highly doubt they will make any more Mass Effect games now, or at least no story driven ones. Thats good, though, right?....right?


If I was BioWare, and I was coming up with a new game, I'd think to myself "Hey, how about a new RPG, character oriented, spread out over three games, there you have the ability to make choices and shape how the game is played through those choices."

Then I'd remember all this bull**** and think "Oh **** no, I'm staying the hell away from those kind of 'fans' THIS time."



I don't understand your point.  If they actually did that (INCLUDING ending), then what would be the problem?..

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masterthehero wrote...

The only thing worse than trolling fans who troll forums like morons, are intelligent fans who would report Bioware to the BBB just because of an ****g ending.


In my opinion, the second you report BioWare to the BBB or the FTC or start threatening a lawsuit over the ending not being what you wanted, you lose the "intelligent" in front of "fans".

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This is an opinion piece... not a ruling and either way there was no false advertising.
The endings are different in consequence, even without the extended cut. No false advertising there.
Your choices affect what happens in the galaxy. No false advertising there.

edit for politeness

Modifié par Habs25, 11 avril 2012 - 09:26 .


#169
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masterthehero wrote...

The only thing worse than trolling fans who troll forums like morons, are intelligent fans who would report Bioware to the BBB just because of an ****g ending.


According to the BBB it was a valid complaint, therefore it would of been irresponsable not to report it. Bioware will think twice about lying to their core audience again

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Bioware's game have never been about gamers being able to 'craft their own unique experiences'. From Baldur's Gates 1 to DA2, Bioware's game have always been about the story and that the game has a beginning, a middle and an ending. (just like Aristotle has learned us that stores should be told). In the frame of the story, we deal with characters, plots, main quest, side quests, great dialogue options, great charater development of the characters throughout the game's.

As for the shape the outcome, did we not get the save someone, cure a disease, make foes into peaces if we wanted to etc. etc. As such, it could be argued that our choiced did have an impact on key characters, as I understand certain members of your crew can disappear never to be heard of again. A powerfull outcomes of entire civilization, curing a certain disease or not would definetely fall under this heading, would it not?

The only thing I can think that were a bitt of was and is the 'radically different endings'....And Bioware are fixing this with the free ending dlc that clarifies and explains what's going on during the 5-10 minute end sequence in the game...

I would re-iterate that I wish Mac Walters and Casey Hudson had been as candid and honest with the fans as DA2's David Gaider and Mike Laidlaw had been last year. Mike Laidlaw went on an interview tour saying what he thought about DA2 and how it was and defended it. David Gaiders very candid and open and honest posts about both the development of DA2 and how the team behind DA2 generally works, saying directly that 'we will tell the game we want to make, but any feedback is welcome, but remember it is still our game, not yours' did indeed make a lot people angry. However, it also cleared up some things and clarified somethings, I find. As for me, it made me see that we, the fans, are not the ones commissioning the game from Bioware and as such really can't tell Bioware that we want them to change the red area here to green over there. What we, as fans, can do is to tell Bioware what we want, and how we see it, and hope that Bioware and we, the fans, see eye to eye on the same thing, and agree on where the game should be going.

However, many people seem to have forgotten that Bioware is also a business, and as such, Bioware as game company needs to act in a market which is very competetive. Since Bioware now is a part of EA, Bioware also needs to find a way to implement the changes that EA and Bioware''s top-management have decided that all Bioware and EA games must have e.g. the multi-player and kinect-decisions that the top management at EA and Bioware decided that ME3 needed to have.

Also, the OP talks about a blog post, so this is clearly not an offcial statement from the BBB, but a blog post where a certain member of the BBB voices her opinions on the game's, ME3's, advertising. That being said, I agree, that if there's any good to come out of this, it could be that game companies learn how to word their commercials more correctly when they advertise their games. And this does not only applay to the game's made and advertised by EA and Bioware, but to all major game companies in the world.

As I've said before, in my local Blockboster store, there is a giant billboard sign with a life size Commander Shepard. On it it says Mass Effect 3. Then it says 'take back earth'. And the whole advertising and commercial campaign have said this many, many times: Take Back Earth. Is it so strange that people think that the ME3 game will be about taking Earth back? If you look at the back of the box, it seems like a run of the mill shooter with a better story, but again, the info on the back of the box also highlights the line *take earth back* People without knowledge of the ME games, and even people with knowledge of the ME games, get confused then, I think, when the endings in the game do not really answer this question that the dev. team (or the pr team?) have put forward to be answered:

Did we take back earth? did we win? what happened?

The Free Endling DLC will hopefully adress, explain and clarifiy this...

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Habs25 wrote...

This is an opinion piece... not a ruling and either way there was no false advertising.
The endings are different in consequence, even without the extended cut. No false advertising there.
Your choices affect what happens in the galaxy. No false advertising there.

I mean… the education system must be failing people really badly these days if they can’t realize the consequences of their actions were displayed throughout the whole game and later inferred in the ending. The consequences of the endings are also very varied, but people are putting it down to colours. It’s quite sad. Bioware overestimated its audience.


"It wont even by the kind of ending that can be defined by A,B, or C"

Sounds like false advertising to me.

I got the Blue ending. Ending A

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i IIVIIorpheus wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

MrTijger wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

John Epler wrote...

C) If you honestly feel that BioWare needs fo fail for your demands to be met, that's your opinion. Just don't expect us to look at it as 'Dearie me, they're right! We -should- lose our jobs!'


I dont think anyone wants BioWare to fail.

It is more a worry BioWare might fail if the current bad PR, and its reasons, continue.


I highly doubt they will make any more Mass Effect games now, or at least no story driven ones. Thats good, though, right?....right?


If I was BioWare, and I was coming up with a new game, I'd think to myself "Hey, how about a new RPG, character oriented, spread out over three games, there you have the ability to make choices and shape how the game is played through those choices."

Then I'd remember all this bull**** and think "Oh **** no, I'm staying the hell away from those kind of 'fans' THIS time."



I don't understand your point.  If they actually did that (INCLUDING ending), then what would be the problem?..


They. DID. Do. That. And some of you are STILL going bat**** insane. Jesus.

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This is good. The ending went against almost everything Bioware and the ME series itself have been telling us. The conclusions we get to choose from are not in line of the game's advertisements and message.

At least now we know that this can't happen without some serious criticism.

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Habs25 wrote...

This is an opinion piece... not a ruling and either way there was no false advertising.
The endings are different in consequence, even without the extended cut. No false advertising there.
Your choices affect what happens in the galaxy. No false advertising there.
 


People read headlines. Check it out:

"Mass Effect 3 falsely advertised, says BBB" -Gamespot

It's not good publicity.

Modifié par kbct, 11 avril 2012 - 09:23 .


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Father_Jerusalem wrote...

masterthehero wrote...

The only thing worse than trolling fans who troll forums like morons, are intelligent fans who would report Bioware to the BBB just because of an ****g ending.


In my opinion, the second you report BioWare to the BBB or the FTC or start threatening a lawsuit over the ending not being what you wanted, you lose the "intelligent" in front of "fans".


Most of us Retakers are upset because the game was not what was advertised to us. And the BBB agrees- "The issue at stake here is, did Bio Ware falsely advertise?  Technically, yes, they did."  This is from a high-level member of the BBB on her blog.

You can dismiss the BBB if you wish, but their job is to research exactly what Retakers have been claiming since day one. They are experts in the realm of false advertising. So this is major evidence that we were right all along.