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[LegendaryBlade]

Jademoon121 wrote...

This is good. The ending went against almost everything Bioware and the ME series itself have been telling us. The conclusions we get to choose from are not in line of the game's advertisements and message.

At least now we know that this can't happen without some serious criticism.

I saw an article where one of the writers for Dragonage III said they were going to "pay close attention to the endings" or something along those lines. So yeah, Bioware has taken notice if an entirely seperate team saw the backlash as something worth reacting too.

I don't think Bioware will try anymore wannabe-rtistic endings.

[XTR3M3]

Jademoon121 wrote...

This is good. The ending went against almost everything Bioware and the ME series itself have been telling us. The conclusions we get to choose from are not in line of the game's advertisements and message.

At least now we know that this can't happen without some serious criticism.

exactly. great point even with those trying to derail this topic.

[Tazzmission]

XTR3M3 wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

This is good. The ending went against almost everything Bioware and the ME series itself have been telling us. The conclusions we get to choose from are not in line of the game's advertisements and message.

At least now we know that this can't happen without some serious criticism.

exactly. great point even with those trying to derail this topic.

no its not good.

can you honestly say these guy deserve to lose there jobs?

[SalsaDMA]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

John Epler wrote...

C) If you honestly feel that BioWare needs fo fail for your demands to be met, that's your opinion. Just don't expect us to look at it as 'Dearie me, they're right! We -should- lose our jobs!'

I dont think anyone wants BioWare to fail.

It is more a worry BioWare might fail if the current bad PR, and its reasons, continue.

Seriously? LOTS of people are actively rooting for BioWare to fail. I don't even get how you can think that there aren't. It's clear in threads just like this one, you'll see people rooting for it.

I think more people want the current business model being showcased of being condescending towards fans while not giving products the proper development time to make quality products should fail.

If the way to make that happen required Bioware employees to quit and form a new company I'm pretty sure alot of the retakers would be happy to support that new company, provided the new company didn't just follow the business line bioware have turned into under EA.

[LegendaryBlade]

Tazzmission wrote...

XTR3M3 wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

This is good. The ending went against almost everything Bioware and the ME series itself have been telling us. The conclusions we get to choose from are not in line of the game's advertisements and message.

At least now we know that this can't happen without some serious criticism.

exactly. great point even with those trying to derail this topic.

no its not good.

can you honestly say these guy deserve to lose there jobs?

I'm not going to comment on whether or not I think Hudson and Walters should lose their jobs over this.

Instead i'm going to point out that that's not what Jade said at all. Bioware knows now that they can't get away with such blatant lies.

[SalsaDMA]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

masterthehero wrote...

The only thing worse than trolling fans who troll forums like morons, are intelligent fans who would report Bioware to the BBB just because of an ****g ending.

In my opinion, the second you report BioWare to the BBB or the FTC or start threatening a lawsuit over the ending not being what you wanted, you lose the "intelligent" in front of "fans".

heavens forbid consumers actually stand up for their rights...

[Tazzmission]

LegendaryBlade wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

XTR3M3 wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

This is good. The ending went against almost everything Bioware and the ME series itself have been telling us. The conclusions we get to choose from are not in line of the game's advertisements and message.

At least now we know that this can't happen without some serious criticism.

exactly. great point even with those trying to derail this topic.

no its not good.

can you honestly say these guy deserve to lose there jobs?

I'm not going to comment on whether or not I think Hudson and Walters should lose their jobs over this.

Instead i'm going to point out that that's not what Jade said at all. Bioware knows now that they can't get away with such blatant lies.

you should comment because as far as i can see your trying to avoid the question

i mean afterall you do support such an action right? why hide behind a moniter and not admit?

i really hope to god you and alot of people who support this never run a buisness because just wow where do i even begin?

Modifié par Tazzmission, 11 avril 2012 - 09:29 .

[XTR3M3]

Ronin1325 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

masterthehero wrote...

The only thing worse than trolling fans who troll forums like morons, are intelligent fans who would report Bioware to the BBB just because of an ****g ending.

In my opinion, the second you report BioWare to the BBB or the FTC or start threatening a lawsuit over the ending not being what you wanted, you lose the "intelligent" in front of "fans".

Most of us Retakers are upset because the game was not what was advertised to us. And the BBB agrees- "The issue at stake here is, did Bio Ware falsely advertise?  Technically, yes, they did."  This is from a high-level member of the BBB on her blog.

You can dismiss the BBB if you wish, but their job is to research exactly what Retakers have been claiming since day one. They are experts in the realm of false advertising. So this is major evidence that we were right all along.

you can't just post logic like that. those of us who can see the problem along with the BBB employee that wrote the piece this topic is about can't use logic. The PR fanboys say they have the monopoly on that...sigh...I guess we will just have to continue to bury them in facts.

[Arsenic Touch]

XTR3M3 wrote...

Mr. Epler..
we don't want BioWare to fail. We don't want the employees to lose their jobs. We just want what Mr. Hudson and Mr. Gamble promised us pre-release. Spinning their blatant misrepresentations as marketing is insulting to us and makes the company look bad. (not saying you did any of that)

I still have hope for BioWare but if EA keeps ignoring, deflection, paying people to troll forums, ect....THEY will be the ones that kill BioWare, not us. The blog on the official BBB site this thread is about lends great credibility to what we claim. People here ignoring the facts provided by links...and the spammed links...seem to fit the definition of a troll.

I for one am grateful to your and other moderators open mindedness of letting us vent and get our frustrations out. This I believe is part of the healing process that could pave the way to the fanbase actually returning....that and the DLC slated for summer release.

Agreed with this.

[i IIVIIorpheus]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

i IIVIIorpheus wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

MrTijger wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

John Epler wrote...

C) If you honestly feel that BioWare needs fo fail for your demands to be met, that's your opinion. Just don't expect us to look at it as 'Dearie me, they're right! We -should- lose our jobs!'

I dont think anyone wants BioWare to fail.

It is more a worry BioWare might fail if the current bad PR, and its reasons, continue.

I highly doubt they will make any more Mass Effect games now, or at least no story driven ones. Thats good, though, right?....right?

If I was BioWare, and I was coming up with a new game, I'd think to myself "Hey, how about a new RPG, character oriented, spread out over three games, there you have the ability to make choices and shape how the game is played through those choices."

Then I'd remember all this bull**** and think "Oh **** no, I'm staying the hell away from those kind of 'fans' THIS time."

I don't understand your point.  If they actually did that (INCLUDING ending), then what would be the problem?..

They. DID. Do. That. And some of you are STILL going bat**** insane. Jesus.

That's why I included THE ENDING as well.  B/c that is NOT what happened.  That's the key piece.  Hence the reaction....

I support the retake, but I do not support billboard or the FTC complaint, even the complaint to the BBB.  Some of this has gone overboard.  It's a game.  I can't get over it.  I DO however support the consumer.  And frankly I am tired of the regular joes getting screwed over corporate greed and corruption.

It happened with Wall Street, and it's happening with EA.  My favorite game trilogy is nothing but a controversy right now when it didn't have to be.  If businesses would actually listened to their consumer, then alot of this wouldn't have happened.

I personally feel Bioware was rushed to get ME3.  I still love the game but the it defitnitely has killed much of the replayability.  What will people do with all those Shepards they created?  Seems useless now.

Some obivously have no problem with the "you'll take it and like it" approach.  I am not one of them...

[Tirigon]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...


Seriously? LOTS of people are actively rooting for BioWare to fail. I don't even get how you can think that there aren't. It's clear in threads just like this one, you'll see people rooting for it.

That is because many people - me included - are severely butthurt.

but very few are actually serious about that.

[Father_Jerusalem]

Ronin1325 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

masterthehero wrote...

The only thing worse than trolling fans who troll forums like morons, are intelligent fans who would report Bioware to the BBB just because of an ****g ending.

In my opinion, the second you report BioWare to the BBB or the FTC or start threatening a lawsuit over the ending not being what you wanted, you lose the "intelligent" in front of "fans".

Most of us Retakers are upset because the game was not what was advertised to us. And the BBB agrees- "The issue at stake here is, did Bio Ware falsely advertise?  Technically, yes, they did."  This is from a high-level member of the BBB on her blog.

You can dismiss the BBB if you wish, but their job is to research exactly what Retakers have been claiming since day one. They are experts in the realm of false advertising. So this is major evidence that we were right all along.

The game is precisely as it was advertised to be. The problem is, it wasn't what you WANTED it to be.

Those are two completely separate issues that you are trying to lump together. BioWare, and EA for that matter, are not affiliated with the BBB because the BBB only gives good ratings to people who PAY to be affiliated with them. They can say whatever they want, that BioWare falsely advertised, that BioWare stole their wallet, that BioWare never got them a pony for their birthday... it doesn't mean one. Damn. Thing.

[XTR3M3]

Tazzmission wrote...

XTR3M3 wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

This is good. The ending went against almost everything Bioware and the ME series itself have been telling us. The conclusions we get to choose from are not in line of the game's advertisements and message.

At least now we know that this can't happen without some serious criticism.

exactly. great point even with those trying to derail this topic.

no its not good.

can you honestly say these guy deserve to lose there jobs?

at what point did I say they should lose their jobs? the poster says basically it will be harder to get away with lying to the public about your product without significant criticism. I agreed with that. How does that equate to me, or him for that matter, wanting them to loose their jobs?

If in the future, that makes them lose their jobs, that is their own fault for continuing to use practices that ****** off their fanbase and thus damage their product politically and economically.

edited for sp...ack..

Modifié par XTR3M3, 11 avril 2012 - 09:37 .

[Ronin1325]

Arsenic Touch wrote...

XTR3M3 wrote...

Mr. Epler..
we don't want BioWare to fail. We don't want the employees to lose their jobs. We just want what Mr. Hudson and Mr. Gamble promised us pre-release. Spinning their blatant misrepresentations as marketing is insulting to us and makes the company look bad. (not saying you did any of that)

I still have hope for BioWare but if EA keeps ignoring, deflection, paying people to troll forums, ect....THEY will be the ones that kill BioWare, not us. The blog on the official BBB site this thread is about lends great credibility to what we claim. People here ignoring the facts provided by links...and the spammed links...seem to fit the definition of a troll.

I for one am grateful to your and other moderators open mindedness of letting us vent and get our frustrations out. This I believe is part of the healing process that could pave the way to the fanbase actually returning....that and the DLC slated for summer release.

Agreed with this.

Double agreed! However, there are concequences for the choices Bioware makes (unlike the ending of ME3 ) and they will have to live with how they react to this for good or ill.

[Father_Jerusalem]

L00p wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

masterthehero wrote...

The only thing worse than trolling fans who troll forums like morons, are intelligent fans who would report Bioware to the BBB just because of an ****g ending.

In my opinion, the second you report BioWare to the BBB or the FTC or start threatening a lawsuit over the ending not being what you wanted, you lose the "intelligent" in front of "fans".

heavens forbid consumers actually stand up for their rights...

Don't feed the troll. Report and ignore.

I will consider your opinion valid once you learn the proper definition of troll, and how to apply that label.

So, never. I will consider your opinion valid never.

[rapscallioness]

I watched the Dragon Age panel at Pax on youtube. They were still interested in making story driven games where decisions have impact...

But they were Very Careful about what they promised. Nothing was written in stone until it was written in stone.

So, in general, I don't think BW is going to stop making their type of game, but I do think they're going to be far more careful in their marketing hype.

[Father_Jerusalem]

Tirigon wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...


Seriously? LOTS of people are actively rooting for BioWare to fail. I don't even get how you can think that there aren't. It's clear in threads just like this one, you'll see people rooting for it.

That is because many people - me included - are severely butthurt.

but very few are actually serious about that.

I'm sure that would come as great solace to the families of anyone who would be fired over BioWare being forced to shut down.

"But very few were serious about that."

[Tazzmission]

XTR3M3 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

XTR3M3 wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

This is good. The ending went against almost everything Bioware and the ME series itself have been telling us. The conclusions we get to choose from are not in line of the game's advertisements and message.

At least now we know that this can't happen without some serious criticism.

exactly. great point even with those trying to derail this topic.

no its not good.

can you honestly say these guy deserve to lose there jobs?

at what point did I say they should loose their jobs? the poster says basically it will be harder to get away with lying to the public about your product without significant criticism. I agreed with that. How does that equate to me, or him for that matter, wanting them to loose their jobs?

If in the future, that makes them lose their jobs, that is their own fault for continuing to use practices that ****** off their fanbase and thus damage their product politically and economically.

you people really need to get some lives seriously

all this for a 10 minute ending?

i really do feel sorry for the future because if going to the ftc over it is a good thing then the fans killed gaming as a whole for everybody

whats next huh? will people go to the ftc now because a game like gta is to violent next?

what about same sex romances? it takes one nut to go and complain and say gay romances shouldnt be in

people fail to understand that this will open up a whole new can of worms now becaus epeople can cry whine and complain about anything if they dont like it

and imo people who support such extreme options are not true gamers


people who go do this crap are no different then what fox news did in 2007 regarding ther eporn in mass effect argument

Modifié par Tazzmission, 11 avril 2012 - 09:42 .

[Father_Jerusalem]

XTR3M3 wrote...

Mr. Epler..
we don't want BioWare to fail. We don't want the employees to lose their jobs. We just want what Mr. Hudson and Mr. Gamble promised us pre-release. Spinning their blatant misrepresentations as marketing is insulting to us and makes the company look bad. (not saying you did any of that)

I still have hope for BioWare but if EA keeps ignoring, deflection, paying people to troll forums, ect....THEY will be the ones that kill BioWare, not us. The blog on the official BBB site this thread is about lends great credibility to what we claim. People here ignoring the facts provided by links...and the spammed links...seem to fit the definition of a troll.

I for one am grateful to your and other moderators open mindedness of letting us vent and get our frustrations out. This I believe is part of the healing process that could pave the way to the fanbase actually returning....that and the DLC slated for summer release.

Oh this again. "You disagree with us, so you must be a paid troll by EA!"

How lovely.

[Abirn]

You know, this article doesn't even scratch the surface of the issues. Take a look at all the statements made by developers in interviews and compare them to the final game. The whole concept is "craft your story" being false advertisement is really really iffy but some of the statements about the game from developers including the ones such as no multi-player, and the prothean DLC being scrapped were outright lies and a clear violation of false advertising.

[kbct]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

The game is precisely as it was advertised to be. The problem is, it wasn't what you WANTED it to be.

According to BBB:

"The issue at stake here is, did Bio Ware falsely advertise? Technically, yes, they did."

So, you're "technically" wrong.

[Tazzmission]

kbct wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

The game is precisely as it was advertised to be. The problem is, it wasn't what you WANTED it to be.

According to BBB:

"The issue at stake here is, did Bio Ware falsely advertise? Technically, yes, they did."

So, you're "technically" wrong.

so you believe everything the news says?


what ever happened to gaming being fun instead of a cryfest?

[LegendaryBlade]

XTR3M3 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

XTR3M3 wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

This is good. The ending went against almost everything Bioware and the ME series itself have been telling us. The conclusions we get to choose from are not in line of the game's advertisements and message.

At least now we know that this can't happen without some serious criticism.

exactly. great point even with those trying to derail this topic.

no its not good.

can you honestly say these guy deserve to lose there jobs?

at what point did I say they should lose their jobs? the poster says basically it will be harder to get away with lying to the public about your product without significant criticism. I agreed with that. How does that equate to me, or him for that matter, wanting them to loose their jobs?

If in the future, that makes them lose their jobs, that is their own fault for continuing to use practices that ****** off their fanbase and thus damage their product politically and economically.

edited for sp...ack..

Protip, arguing with Tazz tends to go no where quickly. He has no idea what he's talking about, and tends to drop one response in order to say something completely different.

EDIT: Like his response to you right now. He clearly has no idea what the difference between a legitiment advertising complaint is and one based on moralty of the content. I don't even think FTC handles half the things like what he mentioned. Infact, i'm about 100% sure they don't. Like BBB, they handle advertising and the way companies present themselves or their product. Not whether it's violent or has sexual content. ESRB handles that.

Modifié par LegendaryBlade, 11 avril 2012 - 09:45 .