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[MagmaSaiyan]

keesio74 wrote...

Momiji.mii wrote...

It always pleases me when people who avoided DAII because of the negative buzz picks up the game and enjoys it, despite what flaws may be. Every time there's negative buzz, especially when it grows as intense as I've seen after the launch of DAII (and lately, ME3), it tends to scare off all gamers, even the ones that might actually love the game or at least enjoy it a lot.

So, it's always good to hear when people pick it up and get pleasantly surprised.

I know I should judge things for myself instead of listen to all the buzz but I don't have as much free time for games anymore as I did when i was younger. I probably invest in two to three games a year (with three being an unusually high number) so I am very careful about what game to play.

But I learned my lesson

yet you had enough free time to check out all the negativity DA2 got(yeah i know thats easier), just being DA should of been enough to make decide right then and there. but whos to say if it would have changed your view. but im glad to hear another has jumped on the "We love DA2!" bandwagon:D

[jbrand2002uk]

I have always in truth prefered DA2 over DAO simply because it more fun to play and less of a drag like DAO is and DAO just lacks creativity DA2 may have had copy paste dungeons DAO had a copy paste story/plot so as far I'm concerned they're even.

I can agree on some of the graphics in both DA2 and DAO being terrible however the high Res texture pack helped somewhat alas this will continue to be a problem for PC players since as the profit hungry approach to design games for consoles which will always be "technologically inferior" to a good Gaming PC.

[coles4971]

jbrand2002uk wrote...

I have always in truth prefered DA2 over DAO simply because it more fun to play and less of a drag like DAO is and DAO just lacks creativity DA2 may have had copy paste dungeons DAO had a copy paste story/plot so as far I'm concerned they're even.

I can agree on some of the graphics in both DA2 and DAO being terrible however the high Res texture pack helped somewhat alas this will continue to be a problem for PC players since as the profit hungry approach to design games for consoles which will always be "technologically inferior" to a good Gaming PC.

What, "rags to riches" isn't a copy paste story either? Because that's what DA2 was.

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Regarding graphics, IIRC DA2's graphics actually have more polygons, so they're technically superior to DA:O's, the problem I think most people have is probably the aesthetic itself, like characters with shiny skin, over the top weapons/armour etc.

[jbrand2002uk]

its alot less copy paste than generic hero save the world from the big bad wolf errr..... Architect again

[slashthedragon]

jbrand2002uk wrote...

its alot less copy paste than generic hero save the world from the big bad wolf errr..... Architect again

But you had the issue of the Taint, a blight that you can't directly hurt i.e. fighting it, only what's behind it.
I've always thought a good main story for a RPG would have something like a virus or contamination
as the "main villian".   Something you just can't physically fight, but that you would need to figure out
how to destroy or contain it.

Modifié par slashthedragon, 16 avril 2012 - 06:24 .

[thats1evildude]

coles4971 wrote...

What, "rags to riches" isn't a copy paste story either?

In the context of a fantasy game? No, it really isn't.

On the other hand, you could fill a mansion with all the Big Bad Evil Guys I've slain over 20 years of playing RPGs. The Archdemon is wedged in the basement between the ping-pong table and the furnace.

That's not a bad thing, mind you. The classic "slay the BBEG" quest is used frequently because it lends itself to a grand scale and provides a concrete goal for the PC to accomplish.

slashthedragon wrote...

But you had the issue of the Taint, a blight that you can't directly hurt i.e. fighting it, only what's behind it.
I've always thought a good main story for a RPG would have something like a virus or contamination 
as the "main villian".   Something you just can't physically fight, but that you would need to figure out
how to destroy or contain it.

But "the Taint" wasn't the villain of DAO; it was merely what elevated the darkspawn beyond a bunch of orc-like monsters. The "villain" was the Archdemon.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 16 avril 2012 - 07:02 .

[calvinien]

I will admit that DA2 has issues. But I still love it. I had twice tried plaything through origins without success but DA2 got me into the dragon age universe more than origins ever did.

The characterization is really fantastic. There's more character development in paerty banter than most game series have in multiple releases.

[BubbleDncr]

OP, I love DA2 almost as much and origins, and agree with most of what you've said.

DA2 and Origins both had great things. People (haters) just need to acknowledge that, because if Bioware takes the good things from DA2 and the good things from Origins, DA3 would be better than if they just did things exactly the same as Origins.

Good things from DA2 include: Companion story arcs, faster combat (yes, get rid of waves, and make things more tactical, but I will die if I ever have to slowly run up to enemies and shuffle between attacks ever again), and a defined art style (yes, you may not like the new look of certain things, but DA2 defiantly has a polished art direction that Origins lacked).

[Realmzmaster]

coles4971 wrote...

What, "rags to riches" isn't a copy paste story either? Because that's what DA2 was.

Very few cRPGs have used a rags to riches story. I think you could count them with one hand. The big bad evil villian has been used a great deal (more than 90% of cRPGS) in cRPGs because it lends itself to an epic scope.

But , there have been a few cRPGS that do not use the big bad evil before DA2 like Ultima IV.

Ultima IV had an epic scope that did not involve the big bad evil. In Ultima IV you had one of the few  "rags to riches" stories. The point of the game was to become the spiritual leader who leads a virtuous life and is an example to the people.

Rags to riches have been used a great deal in books and film but almost not at all in cRPGS.

[Realmzmaster]

slashthedragon wrote...

jbrand2002uk wrote...

its alot less copy paste than generic hero save the world from the big bad wolf errr..... Architect again

But you had the issue of the Taint, a blight that you can't directly hurt i.e. fighting it, only what's behind it.
I've always thought a good main story for a RPG would have something like a virus or contamination
as the "main villian".   Something you just can't physically fight, but that you would need to figure out
how to destroy or contain it.

The taint is not an evil. The taint makes the darkspawn what they are. Eating darkspawn flesh (including the blood) can pass the taint as in the case of Ruck or the ritual used to make grey wardens. The Taint simply drives darkspawn to look for Old Gods that they then infect with the taint. 

In fact both Acts 3 in DAO and DA2 are anti-climactic. IMHO the Acts 2 in DAO and DA2 are far more interesting than the ending acts. You have Loghain and the Arishok in Act 2. The resolution of the interaction between the main protagonists (Warden and Hawke)  with Loghain and the Ariskok are the highlights of the games.

[Gibb_Shepard]

keesio74 wrote...

Sure. Actually I posted in the official DA2 review thread right in this forum. Check out the last post in there. It is mine (so far).

http://social.biowar...dex/6413491/131

What you listed as pros i thought were cons. Especially the companions and graphics.

[keesio74]

I take it that you didn't like anything then lol.

Seriously though, you didn't at least like the fact that 2H warriors and archers were useful now?

[deuce985]

It's certainly better than some people give credit to. Do I think it's Bioware's worst game? Yes. Does that mean it's bad? No.

I still think despite all the shortcomings of this game, it still beats the majority of RPGs out right now. At least ones trying to tell a cinematic story.

Modifié par deuce985, 17 avril 2012 - 04:02 .

[Amycus89]

keesio74 wrote...

I take it that you didn't like anything then lol.

Seriously though, you didn't at least like the fact that 2H warriors and archers were useful now?

I did like what they did to 2handers, but not for rogue archers. Far too many AoD spells, that made the mage look pathetic in comparison - which isnt very successful considering that the story in the game is trying to beat you in the head over and over again how dangerous mages are compared to others.

[Ramza_1]

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polygons or no, the game looks better. Even the DA2 detractors admit the game is more visually impressive.

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wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong.  DAO looked so much better!

[Lookupatme]

Sorry Keesio74, I couldn't disagree more with your forum topic title practically everything that I enjoyed from DAO has been stripped out of the sequel, I feel that DA2 is little more than an average game with significant flaws. If I hadn't played DAO then I might feel more positive towards DA2 but the fact of the matter is, this was the benchmark for this series and I was expecting a sequel that was in keeping with the spirit of the original with tweaks to enhance it and the mess that is DA2 palpably fails to do this. For me the characters,the storyline,the romances the level of detail present in the game is far superior to DA2 etc etc etc.I even prefer the Awakening expansion to DA2.

As for Oghren he was one of my favourite characters from DAO I liked the surly and vulgar dwarf. For me he ran rings around Aveline(whom you seem to defend) from DA2 who I felt was one of the most wooden/sterile characters in the sequel. Another seriously bodged character from DA2 is Anders. They took 2 characters that I enjoyed from Awakening and completely ruined them by morphing them into one. Just one of many insults present in the sequel.

[Rorschachinstein]

[quote]Ramza_1 wrote...



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polygons or no, the game looks better. Even the DA2 detractors admit the game is more visually impressive.

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wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong.  DAO looked so much better!

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Art and Design maybe. Graphics? I know it sounds lame, but you have to tilt the camera up in order to fully enjoy the looks of the game

[Bizantura]

Ah, let the groupthink get to you? Any review can only get you sofar.

Glad you enjoyed the game.

Just finished the game again to see if my initial feelings where to harsh. Sorry still think the game is rubbish beyond belief. Hope DA3 will be far more DAO then DA2.