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[DLClol]

It didn't need to blow my mind

They simply could have said the reapers were a science experiment gone wrong and they kill because its they're only way of giving organics the middle finger for what happened to them.

idk about you guys but I'd have been fine with this. No Spacegod, no space magic, no color endings. Just kill them or they will kill you

Modifié par DLClol, 11 avril 2012 - 11:36 .

[Pathero]

Someone actually came up with a good analogy.
imagine a tree becomes sentient. A lumberjack comes along and starts cutting down trees with his axe. The tree freaks out and asks 'why are you doing this'. The man replies 'i have to. I need to build shelter, make paper, build furniture,...' he goes on and on but the tree doesn't understand. It has no concept of paper or furniture.
the tree asks another question 'why do you only take the biggest trees?'
again the man replies 'we get more from the bigger trees and if we leave the smaller trees they'll become bigger trees in time.'

at no point does the lumberjack feel malice to the tree, and the tree cannot even fathom some of the reasons the lumberjack needs to harvest it.

heavily paraphrased, the original was better

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

And one last thing... regarding these reapers. If the argument comes up about "what gives us the right to exterminate a race as important as this (if they had good reasons)?" We don't need no stinkin' right. They're trying to exterminate us. That's good enough reason for me.

[Glitch007]

I really didn't like the whole Star Child controlling them and the backwards logic reason. They were far more terrifying when it was something that was beyond our understanding. They had far greater omnipresent feeling when it was they are gunna wipe out all galactic life thats reason enough to fight them logic to their actions.

[Nightdragon8]

Yes I wanted an explination.. but when I heard the explitaion... it killed the series... It made this logical

*****Lewis Carroll once sent this problem to a friend.
If x = 1 and y = 1
Then 2(x2 - y2) = 0
And 5(x – y) = 0
Which is to say, 2(x2 - y2) = 5(x – y)
Now divide each side of this equation by (x-y): [2(x2 - y2) = 5(x – y)] / (x – y)
Which comes to 2(x + y) = 5
But (x + y) = (1 + 1)
Which means that 2*2 = 5

(******, quoted from Tvtropes . org)

Thats the kind of reason we got.... Honestly the darkenergy storyline would have been much harder. It would give them a reason to be and a reason they needed to harvest advanced life, and even gives them a somewhat noble goal... so they aren't eh typical "bad guys" then you will have a choice of keeping the reapers around, destorying them then hava race agsinst the clock of trying to tech up to take over (hey what do you know easy squal storyline to follow) then have choice where there is a "compermise" where you can set up an agreement to sacrifice a part of the population sort of thing.

[tvman099]

If not the actual reason why they did what they did, I'd have at least liked to learn some things about their origins.

[doodiebody]

I didn't really care why reapers reaped. I figured since they built themselves with organics, it was mostly just their way to expand themselves, while simultaneously preventing organics from ever becoming strong enough to challenge them.

[Melicamp]

For me, the Reapers and Darth Vader have met the same fate. By revealing too much about them, or because what was revealed was so rubbish, the characters have become forever damaged.

In the original SW trilogy, we learned that Vader was once a Jedi, he was Luke's father, and then saw his face - one reveal per film, perfectly balanced. Vader's past, what turned him, and his disfigurement when mysteries added to his appeal. Post-prequel Vader became a whiny brat who turned to the dark side because he had some bad dreams: RUINED.

Bioware did the same thing to the Reapers, but somehow managed to ruin them in their first trilogy. ME1 we found out about them, ME2 we got a glimpse at how they are made (or a new generation of them), and then they decided to reveal that they are just synthetic dullards locked in an infinite loop based on an idiotic, tautological fallacy. Yay.

[Turtlicious]

likta_ wrote...

Nope, no motivation worked quite well for me, made them mysterious and terrifying.

[Madgey]

I think it should have been hinted at. Speculating about why Reapers reap was what I was expecting for when I finished the game. Not speculating about why Joker fled the battle. Bioware got their priorities mixed up a bit on that one.

[halbert986]

In my best yahtzee impression - "noooooooooooooooooooooooo!"

Trying to come up with my own reasons why the reapers were doing what they were doing was one of my favorite parts of the game.

The VI on Ilos will forever remain my favorite moment out of all 3 games. It was perfect. He gave you so much information, but despite all he knew he had no idea why his civilization was wiped out. And in the end, "what does it matter?"

He transfered the desperation of an entire galaxy without even being alive! He told me what was coming, what they would do to us, explained systematic, unrelenting galactic annihilation, and when I asked "why?" all he said was "We do not know, but in the end what does it matter, your survival depends on destroying them, not in understanding them."

And I thought to myself, "F*** yeah! We need to do whatever it takes to stop this from happening!"

[leapingmonkeys]

I think it was a mistake to try to explain the Reaper's motivation. We were told that us puny humans could not comprehend their motivations. I think it should have been left at that and then, when we neutralized the Reapers and were enjoying our victory with our squad/LI, Harby should have transmitted a final message stating "You do not understand what you have done".

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Nightdragon8 wrote...

Yes I wanted an explination.. but when I heard the explitaion... it killed the series... It made this logical

*****Lewis Carroll once sent this problem to a friend.
If x = 1 and y = 1
Then 2(x2 - y2) = 0
And 5(x – y) = 0
Which is to say, 2(x2 - y2) = 5(x – y)
Now divide each side of this equation by (x-y): [2(x2 - y2) = 5(x – y)] / (x – y)
Which comes to 2(x + y) = 5
But (x + y) = (1 + 1)
Which means that 2*2 = 5

(******, quoted from Tvtropes . org)

Thats the kind of reason we got.... Honestly the darkenergy storyline would have been much harder. It would give them a reason to be and a reason they needed to harvest advanced life, and even gives them a somewhat noble goal... so they aren't eh typical "bad guys" then you will have a choice of keeping the reapers around, destorying them then hava race agsinst the clock of trying to tech up to take over (hey what do you know easy squal storyline to follow) then have choice where there is a "compermise" where you can set up an agreement to sacrifice a part of the population sort of thing.

OMG,,,

Do you remember a conversation I think it was with EDI where she postulated "what if we live in a part of the universe where we're in a bubble where 1+1=2 and everywhere else 1+1=3?"

[Madgey]

leapingmonkeys wrote...

I think it was a mistake to try to explain the Reaper's motivation. We were told that us puny humans could not comprehend their motivations. I think it should have been left at that and then, when we neutralized the Reapers and were enjoying our victory with our squad/LI, Harby should have transmitted a final message stating "You do not understand what you have done".

That would have been amazing actually and have Harby's line come up at the end of the credits for extra impact.  My face would have been like 

[drwells123]

leapingmonkeys wrote...

I think it was a mistake to try to explain the Reaper's motivation. We were told that us puny humans could not comprehend their motivations. I think it should have been left at that and then, when we neutralized the Reapers and were enjoying our victory with our squad/LI, Harby should have transmitted a final message stating "You do not understand what you have done".

Agree. If you can't come up with something earth-shattering or at least thought-provoking for their motivation (and what motivation can monsters from outer space have that hasn't been done already?), better to leave it an eternal mystery. As Vigil says, who cares - it's necessary to stop them, not to understand them, have a beer with them, or sit around singing Kum Ba Ya with them.

[Peranor]

Madgey wrote...

leapingmonkeys wrote...

I think it was a mistake to try to explain the Reaper's motivation. We were told that us puny humans could not comprehend their motivations. I think it should have been left at that and then, when we neutralized the Reapers and were enjoying our victory with our squad/LI, Harby should have transmitted a final message stating "You do not understand what you have done".

That would have been amazing actually and have Harby's line come up at the end of the credits for extra impact.  My face would have been like 

Yeah, that would have been awesome  =)

[Jassu1979]

Have you ever seen a horror film where you were utterly terrified by the unseen monster, right until they finally show it, and it turns out to be a guy in a badly crafted rubber suit?
What made the monster terrifying was your imagination filling in the gaps, creating a sort of horror that not even the best special effects could reproduce.
Perhaps you'd have felt the discrepancy less if the special effects had been really, really good - but it'd still be a step down from the terror of not-knowing.

As it is, we were faced by the rubber suit guy in the end, and cannot help but be disappointed and underwhelmed.

[EverlastingHate]

 well simply put 
 and thats all their is to it 

[cotheer]

Before the whole "Creator and created" idiocy, i just thought they were being douches, and pretty much all i wanted is to defeat them, meaning, never really thought about the reason cause i didn't assume they had one to begin with.

[ctanctan]

no

[Diokana]

I personally wanted to know, but I would have preferred not finding out over the explanation that we got.

[soldo9149]

I thought they just got bored of chilling in dark space every 50,000 years, so they come back harvest advance life into new reaper buddies, then leave again. I didn't need a real reason for them reaping life, I enjoyed the whole concept we cant understand them.