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[Smugglers Luck]

LegacyOfTheAsh wrote...

Smugglers Luck wrote...

These two snippets are taken from the Mass Effect Wiki:

- In both the Mass Effect 2 research project and the Mass Effect 3 in-game description, the rifle is referred to as being of geth origin, yet geth snipers do not use this weapon; only Legion is seen wielding it. In addition, during the mission Rannoch: Geth Fighter Squadrons, one of the geth memories from the original geth uprising shows a unit picking up the M-98 Widow; when Shepard remarks that it is the same weapon Legion used, Legion extrapolates that it is "an efficient model." While its presence during the conflict implies that it may be of quarian design, the exact origins of the rifle are unknown.

- The Black Widow is an Alliance variant of the Widow.

Now, stop speculating/ guessing, get off the thread and I won't have to waste a bullet on you. Please.

But I joke. Hope this clears up the confusion.

Damn straight. On a side note; I smiled really wide and said "Oh $###!" to myself when Legion pretty much confirmed he was there.

Yea. I was excited too. It also just makes sense that Legion would fight for Geth survival since he was actually there in the middle of it all.

[deaths origin]

no no no its QUARIAN if you play sp it is explained legion just likes the widow

[Sabbatine]

Antaresss wrote...

The Geth Infiltrators have a passive skill (Networked AI) which increases their damage with geth weapons. The question here is: do they get a damage bonus if they use the M-98 Widow? If the players pay attention, they will see that in ME3's description, the Widow is called a "geth weapon". We also see that the geth have been using it for hundreds of years (in the mission in the geth server). Yet, we can not be sure if the game considers it a geth weapon or not when you play as geth in MP. Also, it doesn't look like the other geth weapons at all (although this can be explained since the Widow seems to be an older model). It is possible to be of quarian origin too. We can do tests but I would prefer if a Bioware member answers my question so we can be sure, thanks.

It's not called a Geth M-98 Widow........... nor does it look like a piece of malformed alien plastic.

Also, in the description it says it has been modified to be a human weapon.  It would also be redundant as the javelin is pretty similar in function.

Modifié par Sabbatine, 11 avril 2012 - 10:33 .

[Locoluke]

Smugglers Luck wrote...

LegacyOfTheAsh wrote...

Smugglers Luck wrote...

These two snippets are taken from the Mass Effect Wiki:

- In both the Mass Effect 2 research project and the Mass Effect 3 in-game description, the rifle is referred to as being of geth origin, yet geth snipers do not use this weapon; only Legion is seen wielding it. In addition, during the mission Rannoch: Geth Fighter Squadrons, one of the geth memories from the original geth uprising shows a unit picking up the M-98 Widow; when Shepard remarks that it is the same weapon Legion used, Legion extrapolates that it is "an efficient model." While its presence during the conflict implies that it may be of quarian design, the exact origins of the rifle are unknown.

- The Black Widow is an Alliance variant of the Widow.

Now, stop speculating/ guessing, get off the thread and I won't have to waste a bullet on you. Please.

But I joke. Hope this clears up the confusion.

Damn straight. On a side note; I smiled really wide and said "Oh $###!" to myself when Legion pretty much confirmed he was there.

Yea. I was excited too. It also just makes sense that Legion would fight for Geth survival since he was actually there in the middle of it all.

well technically they ALL were there for it, seeing as memory is only shared information to the geth, and they dont make the distiction between one cluster of programs and another unless there is a difference in consensus.

Modifié par Locoluke, 11 avril 2012 - 10:34 .

[Antaresss]

I dont really want to discuss the canon origin of the weapon. It's clear that it was used on Rannoch around 300 years ago so it was probably created there either by the geth or the quarians. And the Widow version in ME3 is modified so it can be used by multiple races without shattering their arms. Unless I've missed some piece of canon, we don't know more and I don't really care about this part. I made this thread to see if my geth Infiltrator will get damage bonus for using the Widow. You guys have to understand that even if something is considered canon, doesn't mean that the algorithms that the game developers wrote in the source code consider it canon too. That's why we need an answer from someone who works at BioWare or someone who has tested it!

Modifié par Antaresss, 11 avril 2012 - 10:49 .

[Iodine]

Antaresss wrote...
That's why we need an answer from someone who works at BioWare or someone who has tested it!

Checked to see if this thread got a definitive answer, lacking dev confirmation, this'll have to do.

Default_DLC_CON_MP1.bin>biogame.ini>sfxgamecontentdlc_con_mp1.sfxpowercustomactionmp_gethpassive>

registeredgethweapons =
SFXGameContent.SFXWeapon_Shotgun_Geth
			SFXGameContent.SFXWeapon_AssaultRifle_Geth
			SFXGameContent.SFXWeapon_SniperRifle_Javelin
			SFXGameContentDLC_CON_MP1.SFXWeapon_SMG_Geth

Geth Plasma Shotgun, Geth Pulse Rifle, Javelin, and Geth Plasma SMG are the only "Geth" weapons for the purposes of the Geth passive.

Modifié par Iodine, 12 avril 2012 - 09:14 .

[Shajar]

Its a quarian weapon

[Derek Hollan]

After a quick confirmation with the development team, the short answer is no the M-98 Widow is not a geth weapon.

As people have rightly pointed out, it is a modified version of the original design.

Also, after speaking with the writing team, the original weapon by which the geth derived their own design remains a mystery.

[Babydel]

Legion picking up a Widow in the 'memories' didn't really make sense (to me), as you unlocked it for him in ME2... When you first meet him he's using the Viper.

[Icophesis]

It was Geth origin in Mass Effect 2, because it was Legion's research project that he requested. It was called Geth Sniper Rifle as a shorthand, but it meant more that this was what the Geth suggest we use, or what Legion preferred to use. And then in Legion's VR mission in ME3 its revealed to have been used in the Morning War, and was most likely a Quarian weapon that was greatly effective, and kept in use by Geth.

[Vespervin]

Derek Hollan wrote...

After a quick confirmation with the development team, the short answer is no the M-98 Widow is not a geth weapon.

As people have rightly pointed out, it is a modified version of the original design.

Also, after speaking with the writing team, the original weapon by which the geth derived their own design remains a mystery.

Thanks for the clarification. 

[RazRei]

Derek Hollan wrote...

After a quick confirmation with the development team, the short answer is no the M-98 Widow is not a geth weapon.

As people have rightly pointed out, it is a modified version of the original design.

Also, after speaking with the writing team, the original weapon by which the geth derived their own design remains a mystery.

From the horses mouth itself!

also in another thread asking why Geth doesnt get a + bonus with the widow

It was never Geth origins....

Mass Effect 2:

Weighing
in at 39 kilograms, the Widow Anti-Material Rifle is primarily used by
sniper teams in assault missions against armored vehicles or krogan.
While kinetic barriers offer effective protection on vehicles, the kind
generated by conventional military field generators are far too weak
against the Widow.

The Widow was never designed to be carried and
fired by a human. Although this modified model can be carried, no
ordinary human could fire it without shattering an arm.

The
funny thing is, in ME2 the only two people that can use it is Legion
and Shep when he picks it on the collector ship.  We all believe or
thought it was Geth but it really isn't if you read the discription of
it but...

In ME3 it says in the discription

Several research firms spent a considerable fortune trying to redesign
the Widow sniper rifle. Their goal was to retain the geth weapon's
considerable firepower while reducing its recoil, so that the gun could
be fired without breaking a nonsynthetic's arm. After much trial and
error, one company finally produced a usable model rolled out to the
galactic market.

But
when we go into the hive mind we find that Legion (Well just a geth
that we believe is Legion) picks it up off the floor on the Quarian home
world when the Geth rebelled...

So no it isn't Geth design.  Maybe they improved it overtime but everything points to no.

[Antaresss]

Derek Hollan wrote...

After a quick confirmation with the development team, the short answer is no the M-98 Widow is not a geth weapon.

As people have rightly pointed out, it is a modified version of the original design.

Also, after speaking with the writing team, the original weapon by which the geth derived their own design remains a mystery.

Thanks, we appreciate it