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[AreleX]

Tangster wrote...

Yes, I knew all these.
Still need to test that hipfire claim though.

it's true

[KainD]

Charged shot doesn't brake cloak - dun dun.

[SKiLLYWiLLY2]

Lexa_D wrote...

4. blows off-host

lol

[kieran.me]

Mandalore313 wrote...

11. Is clearly not a sniper rifle, despite the fact that it is categorized as one.

the falcon, striker and scorpion are grendade launchers but classed as AR's

the collector AR is a frickin lazer gun!

the saber is pretty closer to the viper so one of them is in the wrong

the raptor fires like a lot of bust fire weapons (without the burst)

the javelin shoots lead so i'm going to call this a BB gun

the talon is a shotgun

the arc pistol is a welding gun

the GPS is a plasma shooter

the graal is some ancient roman blade launcher

any more inconsistencies?

[Mandalore313]

Yeah, but this thread is about the kishock specifically

[KainD]

kieran.me wrote...

any more inconsistencies?

The geth rifle is a water gun? 

[Tangster]

I just tried it against an Atlas on gold. No mods, cloaked shots. It is without a doubt, the slowest atlas killer of all the heavy sniper rifles.

[kieran.me]

Tangster wrote...

I just tried it against an Atlas on gold. No mods, cloaked shots. It is without a doubt, the slowest atlas killer of all the heavy sniper rifles.

it's not a heavy rifle

it doesn't shoot bullets

as with all armoured targets you need to headshot them for it to do LOADS of damage(4.5X to be exact)

[X2-Elijah]

It's bugged. Once it fires the harpoon, the rope never renders, so you can't actually pull in your target, or tether it to your whaling boat.

Oh, and against anything that's not a whale it is pretty weaksauce.

[peddroelm]

Tangster wrote...

I just tried it against an Atlas on gold. No mods, cloaked shots. It is without a doubt, the slowest atlas killer of all the heavy sniper rifles.

As you already knew the other heavy sniper rifles (Widow, BW, Javelin) penetrate and hit the atlas twice with the same bullet - scoring double damage ..

Kishock as a projectile weapon - no penetration - no double damage - cannot keep up ..

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A fair comparison would be vs Geth Prime or Banshee ...

Modifié par peddroelmz, 12 avril 2012 - 11:48 .

[Tangster]

kieran.me wrote...

Tangster wrote...

I just tried it against an Atlas on gold. No mods, cloaked shots. It is without a doubt, the slowest atlas killer of all the heavy sniper rifles.

it's not a heavy rifle

it doesn't shoot bullets

as with all armoured targets you need to headshot them for it to do LOADS of damage(4.5X to be exact)

I know how it works. Still balls if you're an infiltrator.

@peddro, maybe later. Any wishes for mods I should stick on for testing?

Modifié par Tangster, 12 avril 2012 - 11:48 .

[peddroelm]

Tangster wrote...

@peddro, maybe later. Any wishes for mods I should stick on for testing?

You could try the AP mod vs atlas (wave 7  bronze would be faster ?) to prove that it  can//cannot be made to penetrate ... 

[Tangster]

peddroelmz wrote...

Tangster wrote...

@peddro, maybe later. Any wishes for mods I should stick on for testing?

You could try the AP mod vs atlas (wave 7  bronze would be faster ?) to prove that it  can//cannot be made to penetrate ... 

9 cloaked shots, with extended barrel V and 9 cloaked shots with extended barrel V + piercing V, although I didn't wait 10 secs in between each shot for the DoT to wear off.  
Since the same number of shots are needed regardless of piercing, it clearly doesn't benefit from any mods or powers that affect penetration, although it'll still get the damage increase.

Done using my QI. It's such an awkward weapon. I'll stick to my quickscopeable, no charge snipers.

I'll upload a proof video using mashup of 30sec fraps demo clips here

Modifié par Tangster, 12 avril 2012 - 02:34 .

[Artst3in]

13. Is the most glitched weapon in game

[deadbeatriot]

X2-Elijah wrote...

It's bugged. Once it fires the harpoon, the rope never renders, so you can't actually pull in your target, or tether it to your whaling boat.

Oh, and against anything that's not a whale it is pretty weaksauce.

while i disagree with your weaksauce assessment, i would love to reel enemies in, mortal kombat style.

[Thiak]

Tangster wrote...

9 cloaked shots, with extended barrel V and 9 cloaked shots with extended barrel V + piercing V, although I didn't wait 10 secs in between each shot for the DoT to wear off.  
Since the same number of shots are needed regardless of piercing, it clearly doesn't benefit from any mods or powers that affect penetration, although it'll still get the damage increase.

Done using my QI.

I'll upload a proof video using mashup of 30sec fraps demo clips here

which is pretty nice i guess, how many shots again does a widow X take as a comparison?
because i do like the kishoks ability to one shot gold shielded enemies

edit: it does have some penetration charged up, not sure how it works on an atlas but you can kill guardians through their shield (not the slot)

Modifié par Thiak, 12 avril 2012 - 02:37 .

[Manic Lab Rat]

Modifié par Manic Lab Rat, 12 avril 2012 - 02:42 .

[Tangster]

Thiak wrote...

Tangster wrote...

9 cloaked shots, with extended barrel V and 9 cloaked shots with extended barrel V + piercing V, although I didn't wait 10 secs in between each shot for the DoT to wear off.  
Since the same number of shots are needed regardless of piercing, it clearly doesn't benefit from any mods or powers that affect penetration, although it'll still get the damage increase.

Done using my QI.

I'll upload a proof video using mashup of 30sec fraps demo clips here

which is pretty nice i guess, how many shots again does a widow X take as a comparison?
because i do like the kishoks ability to one shot gold shielded enemies

edit: it does have some penetration charged up, not sure how it works on an atlas but you can kill guardians through their shield (not the slot)

I know it can down a guardian through the shield, but that's the only cover it does penetrate.

I'll test the widow now, it's been a while since I used it.

[panda1pandemic]

I do agree that the scope is better than the other snipers, but that's about the only thing it has going for it.

[SuperADJ]

Thanks for the testing and analysis. Interesting. Looking forward to your comparison with the widow, although really both weapons should be at an equal level, really.

[Thiak]

Tangster wrote...

I know it can down a guardian through the shield, but that's the only cover it does penetrate.

I'll test the widow now, it's been a while since I used it.

sorry to cause work for you.
i much appreciate your testing, i wouldnt have the patience

i'll give the kishok another try tonight on my GI, for me its more a fun weapon, the BW or even the valiant beats it imho

[RazRei]

It has a dot effect
The "harpoon" has an arch effect
Has a 300% damage multiplier when you get a headshot
Sucks ass compared to my Widow X/Black Widow II/Javelin

[Keersai]

13. Turns n00bl0rs into ragdolls

[Tangster]

 Update: The Widow X can down an Atlas in 6 cloaked shots. It's much faster, even without reload cancelling, though still inferior to the Javelin and the BW.

Modifié par Tangster, 12 avril 2012 - 03:14 .

[CaduganFaber]

[quote]kieran.me wrote...

[quote]Mandalore313 wrote...
the javelin shoots lead so i'm going to call this a BB gun
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Javelin shoots Ferrofluid, which is not lead. Ferrofluid is a non-newtonian liquid composed of a surfactant, water or oil and colloidal ferromagnetic material. When you bring a strong enough magnetic field to bear it becomes a solid or semisolid. 

In effect, this means it could act like an expolosively formed penetrator on target, which is why in the ingame lore it has the ability to pierce pretty much any light cover. 

In Gold levels, this should also negate the shield gate effect, as the ferrofluid projectile slaming into the shields should bleed the energy but the penetrator formed upon impact should ruin something's day. 

And yes. I'm a huge nerd.  

Modifié par CaduganFaber, 12 avril 2012 - 03:28 .