Have it, tested it, hated and not using it. It's weak, the scope is bad and there's a delay in the shot, so even a snail has time to get out harms way or you really have to anticipate your targets movements. Maybe it works for someone else but I will happily continue using my widow.
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#52
Posté 12 avril 2012 - 03:55
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No 14 or whatever it is: Even though it fires a Harpoon the game treats it as if it number of simultaneous projectiles hitting the target like shotguns. <- This is why it rocks vs Shield gate but horrible vs armour.
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Posté 12 avril 2012 - 03:57
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kinetic barriers are directly proportional to the objects velocity, a "slower" object like a harpoon would not activate kinetic barriers
+10 credits to who guesses the reference of this
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#54
Posté 12 avril 2012 - 04:12
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15: Comparing a Kishock I or Kisock II to a Black Widow X or a Widow X is like comparing a Carnifex I to a Paladin X. You just don't do it, man! Compare X weapons to X weapons!
#55
Posté 12 avril 2012 - 04:15
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SOMETHING_FOR_NOTHING wrote...
kinetic barriers are directly proportional to the objects velocity, a "slower" object like a harpoon would not activate kinetic barriers
+10 credits to who guesses the reference of this
Dune.
Credits plz!
As to the Kishok... I love it, but I almost always host. It seems to work very well for me, and it's a nice short-range sniper rifle for most of the ME3 maps, since they're all practically hug-fests they're so small.
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Posté 12 avril 2012 - 04:18
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Sereaph502 wrote...
15: Comparing a Kishock I or Kisock II to a Black Widow X or a Widow X is like comparing a Carnifex I to a Paladin X. You just don't do it, man! Compare X weapons to X weapons!
Not true. kishock x has only 160 (more or less) higher damage. Other effects will not change. That means that kischock x will still not penetrate atlas any more than kishock I and will still have delay until it reaches the target and so on.
Testing of killing time of specific target should be done on level 1 or level 10 for both weapons, but comparing usefulness is not affected by different weapons.
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#57
Posté 12 avril 2012 - 04:18
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Kishok X with Extended V and Piercing V vs Widow X with Extended V and Piercing V and vs the Widow X with AP 1 instead of Piercing V on Gold Atlas.Sereaph502 wrote...
15: Comparing a Kishock I or Kisock II to a Black Widow X or a Widow X is like comparing a Carnifex I to a Paladin X. You just don't do it, man! Compare X weapons to X weapons!
May do comparisons using a Geth Prime later.
#58
Posté 12 avril 2012 - 04:19
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It can charge? Didn't know that. I have to try that out today 
#59
Posté 12 avril 2012 - 04:20
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Tangster wrote...
Kishok X with Extended V and Piercing V vs Widow X with Extended V and Piercing V and vs the Widow X with AP 1 instead of Piercing V on Gold Atlas.Sereaph502 wrote...
15: Comparing a Kishock I or Kisock II to a Black Widow X or a Widow X is like comparing a Carnifex I to a Paladin X. You just don't do it, man! Compare X weapons to X weapons!
May do comparisons using a Geth Prime later.
there is not enough difference to reduce the number of shots needed BUT ...
pause 0.21 first Atlas (AP pierce mod) video - effect on shield for the fist hit (3 bars damage)
pause 0.14 second Atlas (AP ammo ) video - effect on shield for the first hit (4 bars damage)
(AP ammo has no effect vs shield - widow will penetrate and hit twice without it)
This IMO is evidence that AP mod in fact lowers damage (is it lower on both shots ? or only on the one after penetration ?) - a more refined test would have to be devised ...But now I'm re-testing the armor Weakness effect ..
Modifié par peddroelmz, 12 avril 2012 - 04:36 .
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Posté 12 avril 2012 - 05:02
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It does more damage against Armored reaper targets then synthetic ones. I could one shot ravagers on silver, and it really does a number on brutes and banshees. I still find it a bit meh though.
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Posté 12 avril 2012 - 05:06
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SOMETHING_FOR_NOTHING wrote...
kinetic barriers are directly proportional to the objects velocity, a "slower" object like a harpoon would not activate kinetic barriers
+10 credits to who guesses the reference of this
Fading Suns
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Posté 12 avril 2012 - 10:40
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lurn to hip waills btter ya her me taht mit halp:Pamd098 wrote...
8. is great for hitting walls unless you host
#64
Posté 13 avril 2012 - 04:44
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Once u learn how to use the damn thing it freaking rocks, reload times rule, can kill twice as fast as other heavy snipers and without the ridiculously awkward long range scoping, finally a decent sniper rifle for the smaller maps.
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Posté 13 avril 2012 - 04:46
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Its almost as rad as the Geth Plasma Sniper shotgun
#66
Posté 13 avril 2012 - 05:25
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peddroelmz wrote...
Tangster wrote...
Kishok X with Extended V and Piercing V vs Widow X with Extended V and Piercing V and vs the Widow X with AP 1 instead of Piercing V on Gold Atlas.Sereaph502 wrote...
15: Comparing a Kishock I or Kisock II to a Black Widow X or a Widow X is like comparing a Carnifex I to a Paladin X. You just don't do it, man! Compare X weapons to X weapons!
May do comparisons using a Geth Prime later.
there is not enough difference to reduce the number of shots needed BUT ...
pause 0.21 first Atlas (AP pierce mod) video - effect on shield for the fist hit (3 bars damage)
pause 0.14 second Atlas (AP ammo ) video - effect on shield for the first hit (4 bars damage)
(AP ammo has no effect vs shield - widow will penetrate and hit twice without it)
This IMO is evidence that AP mod in fact lowers damage (is it lower on both shots ? or only on the one after penetration ?) - a more refined test would have to be devised ...But now I'm re-testing the armor Weakness effect ..
You do know that equipping an Ammo bonus like AP and Warp have a damage boost right? I'm not sure about AP ammo 1, but I know that AP ammo 3 has a 30% damage bonus, so its not that the AP mod lowers the damage of each shot it's just not giving you a bonus like the ammo does.
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Posté 13 avril 2012 - 05:28
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Anyone know what the second scope on the top left hand corner is directed at?
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Posté 13 avril 2012 - 05:35
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13. You keep getting it in a pack, when you really want a character card.
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Posté 13 avril 2012 - 05:58
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Tangster wrote...
Kishok X with Extended V and Piercing V vs Widow X with Extended V and Piercing V and vs the Widow X with AP 1 instead of Piercing V on Gold Atlas.Sereaph502 wrote...
15: Comparing a Kishock I or Kisock II to a Black Widow X or a Widow X is like comparing a Carnifex I to a Paladin X. You just don't do it, man! Compare X weapons to X weapons!
May do comparisons using a Geth Prime later.
I noticed that the Kishock doesn't seem to deactivate cloak, perhaps this is where the value lies for it as an infiltrator weapon. Maybe take 2 cloaked shots if there's time enough? Perhaps a shot and a power while still cloaked? Could prove an interesting change of strategy.
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Posté 13 avril 2012 - 06:00
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Johnnycide wrote...
Anyone know what the second scope on the top left hand corner is directed at?
I'll take a wild stab and say it has the same use as the second barrel on most of the guns in game - it looks cool. Although I guess it could be because it's a batarian weapon, 2 eyes on each side and all.
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Posté 13 avril 2012 - 06:13
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13. If you use it too much you become the white whale.
#73
Posté 13 avril 2012 - 06:25
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It's not as good as BW on gold, but if you wanna fun, take it to bronze or silver. Oneshotkill even brutes :3
14. It has 2 scopes for 4 batarian eyes. When scoped, look in the top left and you will see second scope :3
14. It has 2 scopes for 4 batarian eyes. When scoped, look in the top left and you will see second scope :3
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Posté 13 avril 2012 - 06:28
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1. For all those mentioning that it doesn't break cloak, any charging weapon will not break cloak with the first shot. Try using cloak with a charged weapon and see.
2. The scope is terrible. It adds flavor, but it is terrible.
3. The harpoon is slooooooooow. It gets dodged handily.
4. Not only is it slow, there is a minor delay on fire compared to other sniper rifles (excluding Javelin, which is much slower on fire delay).
5. Because the projectile moves slowly and arcs, non-host lag destroys accuracy.
6. AP mod is useless, it doesn't auto penetrate like the Holy Trinity (BW, Widow, Jav).
7. On the plus side, it doesn't suffer hip-fire (no-scope) power reduction.
It's basically a more accurate, heavier, slower ROF, and less damaging Graal Spike Thrower. I tried it extensively on Gold and then cried in a corner for a while before swapping back to my Widow.
2. The scope is terrible. It adds flavor, but it is terrible.
3. The harpoon is slooooooooow. It gets dodged handily.
4. Not only is it slow, there is a minor delay on fire compared to other sniper rifles (excluding Javelin, which is much slower on fire delay).
5. Because the projectile moves slowly and arcs, non-host lag destroys accuracy.
6. AP mod is useless, it doesn't auto penetrate like the Holy Trinity (BW, Widow, Jav).
7. On the plus side, it doesn't suffer hip-fire (no-scope) power reduction.
It's basically a more accurate, heavier, slower ROF, and less damaging Graal Spike Thrower. I tried it extensively on Gold and then cried in a corner for a while before swapping back to my Widow.
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Posté 13 avril 2012 - 06:34
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The exact same thing happened to me some days ago. :|Notorious McG wrote...
I unlocked it last night along with a Batarian Sentinel and was foolish enough to blindly take my shiny new items into a Gold match. It did not end well.
However, I did not make this mistake twice.Notorious McG wrote...
I'll give the gun another chance this evening on my SI.
