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[thinicer]

So if I'm told that Destroy will wipe out all synthetic life, including the geth, their Reaper code gets deleted?

Must be the space magic.

[CrutchCricket]

Balmung31 wrote...

Yay!

Seriously, though, I always found this extremly hilarious.  Two games about war with contradictory thoughts about war. 

I wonder if anyone has ever made a video about this. 

I'm sure I heard it somewhere else before. Could've been a video. I cannot for the life of me remember what it was.

[knight5923]

#1 - So, Legion sacrificed his life for nothing, and the Geth have their sentience forcibly removed, relegating them to mindless machines again. And this is better how? What does this mean for the Quarians, who now share a world with them?

#2 - I ...... I don't even know what this is supposed to mean ......... so is EDI going to be really stupid from now on? Is my onboard AI now a drooling imbecile? This sounds alot like desperate doubletalk to me .....

#3 - If this is the case, then why the hell did the Starchild mention Shep's implants in the first place? Are we supposed to believe he was just making small talk? "So the destroy option will kill the Reapers and only the Reapers. By the way, I heard you have some implants. How's that working out for you?"

[CrutchCricket]

On the topic of this thread, "wiping out all synthetic life including the geth" makes no ****ing sense because geth are software. They're programs in otherwise inert mobile platforms or on servers. How you gonna wipe them out? Does your bull**** space magic destroy programs in unconnected computers? Is it going to delete Microsoft Word or all Joker's porn next?

Yet another reason why the ending fails.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 12 avril 2012 - 01:12 .

[fr33stylez]

Sgt.Catman wrote...

This is exactly what happens when you make a crappy ending, and attempt to salvage it. It just turns into a giant mess.

+10

[Balmung31]

knight5923 wrote...

#2 - I ...... I don't even know what this is supposed to mean ......... so is EDI going to be really stupid from now on? Is my onboard AI now a drooling imbecile? This sounds alot like desperate doubletalk to me .....

I think that it may depend on how Shepard directs EDI in their discussions.  You know, either telling her she should do what she's programmed to do or decide for herself, etc. 

She also states at one point how she finds the Reapers repulsive, and decides to remove things in her programming that are similar to how the Reapers think.  Perhaps that helps determine her susceptibility to the energy wave. 


...Yeah, I admit, it's pretty far out there.  But it COULD work. 

[DarkShadow]

CrutchCricket wrote...

On the topic of this thread, "wiping out all synthetic life including the geth" makes no ****ing sense because geth are software. They're programs in otherwise inert mobile platforms or on servers. How you gonna wipe them out? Does your bull**** space magic destroy programs in unconnected computers? Is it going to delete Microsoft Word or all Joker's porn next?

Yet another reason why the ending fails.

They just keep coming... even several weeks after the first person saw the ending...

[pavi132]

Sith Reaper wrote...

She also made the hypothesis on Twitter that the Normandy crashed on Earth, before rectifying her statement to say it may have been Mars.

Yeah. Stop looking to her for answers. You'll only get more questions.

[DJBare]

thinicer wrote...
So if I'm told that Destroy will wipe out all synthetic life, including the geth, their Reaper code gets deleted?
Must be the space magic.

It's never fully explained how the crusible does it's thing, deleting the reaper code is destroying reaper control, it's the definition of "destroy" that's getting lost here.

[Balmung31]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

knight5923 wrote...

#1 - So, Legion sacrificed his life for nothing, and the Geth have their sentience forcibly removed, relegating them to mindless machines again. And this is better how? What does this mean for the Quarians, who now share a world with them?

 

I didn't saw much difference between pre-reaper code Geth and post-repear code Geth honestly. Also I believe Geth like other species should evolve "normaly" for whatever that mean with Geth. Using the Reaper wasn't a normal way to evolve.

You know, this is a good point.  Didn't Legion himself say that Geth determining their own future without help from the Reapers was what it wanted?  Then he does a 180 in ME3. 

Hmmm...

[knight5923]

CrutchCricket wrote...

On the topic of this thread, "wiping out all synthetic life including the geth" makes no ****ing sense because geth are software. They're programs in otherwise inert mobile platforms or on servers. How you gonna wipe them out? Does your bull**** space magic destroy programs in unconnected computers? Is it going to delete Microsoft Word or all Joker's porn next?

Yet another reason why the ending fails.

Now, I'm the last person to defend these horrendous endings (infact, it hurts me to even pluralize the word ending)<_<

But, technically, the same is true for the Reapers. If you choose the destroy option, they don't explode or anything. They just fall down dead. It seems the destroy option is meant to be software based. Some kind of pulse that Wipes out their futuristic hard drives or something .....

Also, just to reiterate, I really hate playing devil's advocate in this instance:pinched:

[Star fury]

Any links?

[CrutchCricket]

knight5923 wrote...

Now, I'm the last person to defend these horrendous endings (infact, it hurts me to even pluralize the word ending)<_<

But, technically, the same is true for the Reapers. If you choose the destroy option, they don't explode or anything. They just fall down dead. It seems the destroy option is meant to be software based. Some kind of pulse that Wipes out their futuristic hard drives or something .....

Also, just to reiterate, I really hate playing devil's advocate in this instance:pinched:

Yes but the point is if its that indiscriminant it would wipe out every computer system including those on ships, in command centers etc. So a true dark age. Oh and everybody on the ships would die obviously. Nice job breaking it BIOWARE.

[frylock23]

Personally, I've come to the conclusion that the starbrat IS the technological singularity he warns you about. He keeps telling you that it's inevitable that the synthetics will rise up and destroy all organics, but for how many cycles has HIS solution been the only game in town? Let's count the Reapers ... oh, wait, we can't.

Just know that each of them represents an entire organic race that has been entirely wiped out and forced into a techno-organic/synthesized entity controlled by the starbrat in order to help perpetuate a cycle in which Starbrat guides advanced organic societies in their technological evolution and then takes them out utterly when the time is judged right - every 50,000 years.

So, while there may have been conlficts between technological and organic races in those cycles. Javik references the one during his cycle, clearly there hasn't been a technological singularity. Either the starbrat IS the tech singularity OR he is "saving" people from something that doesn't exist and has never existed. We can argue about whether or not it will, could or would without his solution, but unless he IS the technological singularity, it never has.

So, if the starbrat IS the tech singularity, the whole "cycle" nonsense my be its twisted attempt at benevolence. It hasn't wiped out all organic life, but it certainly seems to see no need for it beyond using it to propogate its Reaper fleet. And when you show up in its backyard, it has no reason at all to tell you the truth about anything and every reason to do whatever it can to trick you into allowing it to live on.

Therefore, it makes destroy sound as unpalatable as possible and makes the other two options sound really wonderful in comparison aside from the whole sacrifice aspect.

[knight5923]

Balmung31 wrote...

You know, this is a good point.  Didn't Legion himself say that Geth determining their own future without help from the Reapers was what it wanted?  Then he does a 180 in ME3. 

Hmmm...

Don't quote me on this, because this is essentially a third hand account lol but I believe the argument goes thusly:

The Geth suffered devastating losses in the early stages of the Quarian invasion. Since Geth have a collective intelligence, the loss in numbers reduced them to a highly instinctual intellectual level. Their survival instincts forced them to adopt Reaper code out of desperation. The code increased their intelligence once more, allowing them to put up an effective defense against the onslaught, precipitating Shepard's involvement in the first place.

or something to that effect .......

EDIT: As far as Legion's decision to reuse the code .... I dunno:huh:
Maybe he felt the Reapers were a large enough threat that using the code was necessary? I dunno, just a thought.
Not really defending the writing here, just hate to think Legion died for nothing:crying:

Modifié par knight5923, 12 avril 2012 - 01:36 .

[Devil Mingy]

On one hand, I'd love to believe this interpretation, but it doesn't really make the ending any better.

In fact, if I can't trust the Starchild at his word (and, presumably, Shepard isn't really trusting him at his word either), then the final choice really is just choosing your favorite color. This just makes me hate the ending even more (Assuming that Bioware's press release is to be taken of face value, that they're not changing the ending but merely telling us what they were trying to say, ergo, that we were supposed to not trust the Star Child).

I'm with Angry One on this one, I believe that nobody really knows what these endings were supposed to be and are just trying to salvage the best thing they can out of it. And that's even assuming this even had any merit. It's basically just Jessica's headcanon. No disrespect intended to her, but I seriously doubt she has any special insight into this.

Modifié par Devil Mingy, 12 avril 2012 - 01:41 .

[Balmung31]

knight5923 wrote...

Balmung31 wrote...

You know, this is a good point.  Didn't Legion himself say that Geth determining their own future without help from the Reapers was what it wanted?  Then he does a 180 in ME3. 

Hmmm...

Don't quote me on this, because this is essentially a third hand account lol but I believe the argument goes thusly:

The Geth suffered devastating losses in the early stages of the Quarian invasion. Since Geth have a collective intelligence, the loss in numbers reduced them to a highly instinctual intellectual level. Their survival instincts forced them to adopt Reaper code out of desperation. The code increased their intelligence once more, allowing them to put up an effective defense against the onslaught, precipitating Shepard's involvement in the first place.

or something to that effect .......

EDIT: As far as Legion's decision to reuse the code .... I dunno:huh:
Maybe he felt the Reapers were a large enough threat that using the code was necessary? I dunno, just a thought.
Not really defending the writing here, just hate to think Legion died for nothing:crying:

No no, that's also a good point.  Perhaps they "forgot" or something after the Quarians destroyed the Dyson Sphere.  Or didn't think they had a choice. 

But if you choose to destroy the Collector Base in ME2, even though one of the reasons TIM said to keep it was because the Reapers were coming, Legion says how much Shepard is like the Geth, essentially approving of his decision. 

But then the Reapers show up and Legion throws that out the window?  He, more than anyone else, knew even before being captured and plugged into that Geth Dreadnought what the Reapers were capable of.  Even more so if you decided to rewrite the heretics, and then they rejoined the rest of the Geth and "shared" their experiences. 

I dunno, something just isn't right about that...


EDIT: Just realized my mistake with saying Legion would throw anything out a window. 

Geth don't use windows, dumb*ss. 

Modifié par Balmung31, 12 avril 2012 - 01:52 .

[crimzontearz]

looks like the destroy ending is the way to go

[Ultra Prism]

I really dont trust her info ... first she claimed that normandy was stranded on earth but instead there were two moons

[Aedan276]

I am KROGAN wrote...

 If, and it's a big IF, this is true.  Why would anyone choose anything other than destroy.  Geth live, reapers dead, relays destroyed (same as other endings) and Shepherd breath sequence.

Really no negatives I can see.

Synthetics may kill Organics in the future, and the power of the Reapers won't be around to prevent it. 

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Aedan276 wrote...

I am KROGAN wrote...

 If, and it's a big IF, this is true.  Why would anyone choose anything other than destroy.  Geth live, reapers dead, relays destroyed (same as other endings) and Shepherd breath sequence.

Really no negatives I can see.

Synthetics may kill Organics in the future, and the power of the Reapers won't be around to prevent it. 

Exactly

[Richard0600]

Eh? It's been a while so correct me if I am wrong..

But didn't starbrat say all synthetics... including shepard since he is part synthetic.. will be destroyed...? So if shepard dies for being partially synthetic.. then wouldn't the Geth and EDI be destroyed as well? or is this BioWare trying to pull another fast one on us..

[Azmahoony]

Ultra Prism wrote...

I really dont trust her info ... first she claimed that normandy was stranded on earth but instead there were two moons

Yeah, she made a mistake there - she later said Mars - you know, the jungle planet not the Red one.

[evisneffo]

Don't be nasty to Jessica, people. That said, I wouldn't necessarily jump on her tweets (or anything from Twitter, at this point) as rock-solid canon.

Richard0600 wrote...

Eh? It's been a while so correct me if I am wrong..

But didn't starbrat say all synthetics... including shepard since he is part synthetic.. will be destroyed...? So if shepard dies for being partially synthetic.. then wouldn't the Geth and EDI be destroyed as well? or is this BioWare trying to pull another fast one on us..

That's what he says, but according to the word on the street he's lying.

I won't object to the idea, in fact it would be welcomed if EDI and the geth could survive, but I think needing this kind of meta-gaming is terrible.